The "What Are You Thinking About Right Now?" PIP

[Enrico_sw]

@Stromboli1 @CandleVixen

 

I remember the first time I saw TFA's trailer... its music is awesome and I was so excited to get a new Star Wars movie. It reminded me of a lot of good memories and it gave my cold heart a couple of chills 

 

The voices were mysterious in the trailer, I was excited to see new characters... Rey looked intriguing (and hot), Finn looked cool and nonchalant/concerned at the same time (which I love in movie characters), the bad guy looked bad and tough... I was sure I would spend a great time. I was greatful Disney revived the franchise.

 

Five years later: what a waste. JJ weakened the franchise a little bit, but Rian killed it and Kennedy let the sacrifice happen (in the name of "Social Justice", of course). Sad.

 

BTW, TROS is not that bad compared to TLJ (I can even say I quite enjoyed it, even if I knew that they FUBARed everything)

 

[Stromboli1]

1 hour ago, Enrico_sw said:

@Stromboli1 @CandleVixen

 

I remember the first time I saw TFA's trailer... its music is awesome and I was so excited to get a new Star Wars movie. It reminded me of a lot of good memories and it gave my cold heart a couple of chills 

 

The voices were mysterious in the trailer, I was excited to see new characters... Rey looked intriguing (and hot), Finn looked cool and nonchalant/concerned at the same time (which I love in movie characters), the bad guy looked bad and tough... I was sure I would spend a great time. I was greatful Disney revived the franchise.

 

Five years later: what a waste. JJ weakened the franchise a little bit, but Rian killed it and Kennedy let the sacrifice happen (in the name of "Social Justice", of course). Sad.

 

BTW, TROS is not that bad compared to TLJ (I can even say I quite enjoyed it, even if I knew that they FUBARed everything)

 

Back when Disney bout Star Wars I was excited because they were going to make the Sequel Trilogy and KK was put in charge of Lucasfilm, it looked great on paper. The first thing they did was throw out the EU which pissed off a lot of fans myself included.

 

KK, JJ, Rian, Rejwan, and the story group ruined and killed Star Wars collectively putting in identity politics in and sacrificing the story and character development. It was a group effort in my opinion. Those idiots killed the biggest franchise ever.

 

The Disney Trilogy will not age well and will be forgotten about in a few years. TLJ & TROS are both equally bad and will require band aids to fix the massive plot holes and continuity errors through books, comics, and TV shows.

 

It's truly sad because they had good actors in Ridley, Boyega, Issac, and Driver to carry on the legacy of Star Wars from Hamill, Ford, and Fisher. It's gonna be a what could've been narrative, I bet people will write books on all the internal turmoil in those 5 years surrounding the Disney Trilogy. Disney easily left $1-$2 billion on the table in movie sales and merchandise.

 

I feel disrespected as a fan and don't really know if I care anymore about Star Wars yet except for the PT, OT, and EU with the rest being apocrypha. There are a lot more things out there besides Star Wars and it's probably time to move on like a bad breakup.

[Stromboli1]

Oh yeah another thing Disney Star Wars changed was BBY & ABY to BSI & ASI.

[Stromboli1]

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New Cannabinoid Found With 30x the Potency of THC

Researchers at Italy’s University of Salento have discovered two new cannabinoids – THCP and CBDP – and THCP could be more potent than THC, according to an outline of the study by the Growth Op. In tests on mice, researchers found that THCP showed “an affinity for CB1 receptor more than thirty-fold higher compared to the one reported for THC.”

 

The other compound – CBDP – reportedly doesn’t bind well to CB1 or CB2 receptors which doesn’t make the cannabinoid a priority for further research; however, the researchers said that THCP “should be included in the list of the main phytocannabinoids to be determined for a correct evaluation of the pharmacological effect of the cannabis extracts administered to patients.”

 

According to the study, new research will continue to test how THCP cannabinoid acts as an antioxidant, anti-inflammatory and anti-epileptic activity – the health benefits most associated with CBD.

 

The research brings the total number of discovered cannabinoids in the cannabis plant to 150, though the researchers note that “most of them have neither been isolated nor characterized.” The two new cannabinoids “were isolated and fully characterized” by researchers “and their absolute configuration was confirmed by a stereoselective synthesis.”

The researchers suggest that “other varieties of cannabis may contain even higher percentages” of THCP.

 

https://www.ganjapreneur.com/new-cannabinoid-found-with-30x-the-potency-of-thc/?fbclid=IwAR0iNAh-TvWHfqjH7CxTzNlIV0cTV0ggEX6L5dTQnY34IIXRC4ulZVnd2yE

 

[Stromboli1]

This guy is an idiot and needs to keep teaching idiocies at Stanford.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/12/23/how-star-wars-reinforces-our-prejudices/

[Stormbringer]

17 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

Oh yeah another thing Disney Star Wars changed was BBY & ABY to BSI & ASI.

 

I just noticed this this morning.

WTF!! So is it "official"??

[Matt!]

4 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

 

I just noticed this this morning.

WTF!! So is it "official"??

 

 

[Stormbringer]

6 minutes ago, Matt! said:

 

 

 

So it is "official".

This is ridiculous  

[Stromboli1]

1 hour ago, Stormbringer said:

So it is "official".

This is ridiculous  

 

Disney Star Wars is ridiculous.

[Sarah.Adams]

18 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

Disney Star Wars is ridiculous.

 

any ideas why they are doing it? is this by any chance the maximum profit direction?  

[Stromboli1]

3 minutes ago, SuperG.Girl said:

any ideas why they are doing it? is this by any chance the maximum profit direction?  

 

Cause they hate George Lucas.

 

Hell yeah it has to do with maximum profit direction, we're getting shitty Corporate Star Wars.

 

Then they'll blame the fans for Star Wars' demise.

[Enrico_sw]

51 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

 

Cause they hate George Lucas.

 

 

Sure, they hate George Lucas (because talentless people often have resentment towards talented ones ), but the real target is the fans. 

 

They hate the fans. They hate us because we think, we speak our mind, we are selective and picky. In other words, we are free. Disney hates that. They want to replace us with more docile crowds. People who don't think. They want NPCs.

 

Remember the poem from Bertolt Brecht, where the dictatorship wants to dissolve the people and elect another one? That's Disney now.

[Enrico_sw]

The Solution, by Bertolt Brecht (aka Kathleen Kennedy's manual now)

 

"After the uprising of the 17th of June

The Secretary of the Writers' Union

Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee

Stating that the people

Had forfeited the confidence of the government

And could only win it back

By increased work quotas. Would it not in that case be simpler

for the government

To dissolve the people

And elect another?"

[Stormbringer]

1 hour ago, Stromboli1 said:

Cause they hate George Lucas.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Sure, they hate George Lucas (because talentless people often have resentment towards talented ones ), but the real target is the fans. 

 

They hate the fans. They hate us because we think, we speak our mind, we are selective and picky. In other words, we are free. Disney hates that. They want to replace us with more docile crowds. People who don't think. They want NPCs.

 

Are we seriously going to take such conspiranoical approach to this??  

C'mon, let's be serious: at the end of the day this is entertainment. And industrial scale entertainment, so it's all about money.

At best they don't give a shit about the fans but, "hate them because they're free"?? Seriously?

 

Disney wants to make money. And they probably think they'll make the more profit targeting cultural aspects that are relevant nowadays and the people who follow these.  Be it feminism or other "-isms". And sure, those at charge may actually want to push their agendas in this direction (because well, many of these trends arrogate themselves some form of "superior morality"), but their ultimate goal will be making more money out of this.

Wether they did right or wrong, from this point of view, we'll see it on the (not so) long run. But at least The Force Awakens made a shit ton of money, though most of it may have been because of the hype of new Star Wars. And so did The Last Jedi. 

 

They may be killing the saga, sure, but at the end of the day this is business. It's about making money and they are making it. Most likely they don't give a damn about the fans as long as they pay their ticket and buy merchandising and stuff.

And I agree many of the things they've done with the sequel trilogy are ridiculous (this change in the timeline being just another one). But "hate the fans because they're free"?...

[Enrico_sw]

16 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

Are we seriously going to take such conspiranoical approach to this??

 

Nobody said it's a conspiracy. It is a marketing strategy.

 

16 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

But "hate the fans because they're free"?...

 

Hear people out before judging them, friend.

 

16 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

Disney wants to make money.

 

Of course it's about the money, but to make money, you need a marketing strategy. It means that you try to target a certain audience. With TFA and TLJ, they realized that the traditional fans are picky. 

 

A good marketing strategy would've been to try to listen to the fans (who mainly ask for quality and consistent scenarios), but Disney is a lazy company. So, they decided to ignore this market segment and to target a new one: people (nujobs ) who love identity politcs. They thought that the market potential was huge (that's particularly true for TLJ, but they tried to play both sides in TROS - though they ended up failing).

 

Also, playing with identity politics pleases the mainstream media, so it's good exposure for them.

 

It's simple really and it's no conspiracy.

 

[Stormbringer]

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

Nobody said it's a conspiracy. It is a marketing strategy.

 

 

Of course, that's what it is.

 

I only took the "conspiranoic" from this:

42 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

They hate the fans. They hate us because we think, we speak our mind, we are selective and picky. In other words, we are free. Disney hates that. They want to replace us with more docile crowds. People who don't think. They want NPCs.

 

Remember the poem from Bertolt Brecht, where the dictatorship wants to dissolve the people and elect another one? That's Disney now.

 

This sounds very "conspiranoic" to me and says nothing about the marketing issues. 

You were rambling about how "Disney hates the fans" being that some sort of the reason of the approach they are taking. Which c'mon, doesn't make any sense.

 

3 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

Of course it's about the money, but to make money, you need a marketing strategy. It means that you try to target a certain audience. With TFA and TLJ, they realized that the traditional fans are picky. 

 

A good marketing strategy would've been to try to listen to the fans (who mainly ask for quality and consistent scenarios), but Disney is a lazy company. So, they decided to ignor this market segment and to target a new one: people (nujobs ) who love identity politcs. They thought that the market potential was huge (that's particularly true for TLJ, but they tried to play both sides in TROS - though they ended up failing).

 

Also, playing with identity politics pleases the mainstream media, so it's good exposure for them.

 

It's simple really and it's no conspiracy.

 

This does make more sense.

But if they failed with The Rise of Skywalker is yet to be seen.

 

We may not like what they're doing, but it's working (so far) for them. They're making a shit ton of money.

[Stormbringer]

12 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

It's simple really and it's no conspiracy.

 

 

But hey, I do understand the reaction.

If they did something like this to Tolkien's work I may probably be just as mad  

[Enrico_sw]

8 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

This sounds very "conspiranoic" to me and says nothing about the marketing issues. 

You were rambling about how "Disney hates the fans" being that some sort of the reason of the approach they are taking. Which c'mon, doesn't make any sense.

 

It's not contradictory. Disney hates the traditional fans because it's an audience who's picky and not easy to manipulate. I mean there are people who spend hours analyzing the consistency of every little detail. The videos, the books, the debates on Star Wars are plentiful, some people literally spend their lives reflecting upon SW's mythology. So, it's gotta be hard to content them (but at the same time, it's a challenge, if you manage to make them happy, then it means you're truly talented in the art of storytelling).

 

On the other hand, they thought that people who love identity politics were easier to please. Just add a dash of politics and they'll be happy whatever the quality of the movie (at least that was their reasoning).

 

5 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

But hey, I do understand the reaction.

If they did something like this to Tolkien's work I may probably be just as mad  

 

True, I am mad

[Enrico_sw]

18 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

 

But hey, I do understand the reaction.

If they did something like this to Tolkien's work I may probably be just as mad  

 

They kinda did it to Tolkien's work with The Hobbit movies (particularly the third one).

[Stromboli1]

2 hours ago, Stormbringer said:

Are we seriously going to take such conspiranoical approach to this??  

C'mon, let's be serious: at the end of the day this is entertainment. And industrial scale entertainment, so it's all about money.

At best they don't give a shit about the fans but, "hate them because they're free"?? Seriously?

 

Disney wants to make money. And they probably think they'll make the more profit targeting cultural aspects that are relevant nowadays and the people who follow these.  Be it feminism or other "-isms". And sure, those at charge may actually want to push their agendas in this direction (because well, many of these trends arrogate themselves some form of "superior morality"), but their ultimate goal will be making more money out of this.

Wether they did right or wrong, from this point of view, we'll see it on the (not so) long run. But at least The Force Awakens made a shit ton of money, though most of it may have been because of the hype of new Star Wars. And so did The Last Jedi. 

 

They may be killing the saga, sure, but at the end of the day this is business. It's about making money and they are making it. Most likely they don't give a damn about the fans as long as they pay their ticket and buy merchandising and stuff.

And I agree many of the things they've done with the sequel trilogy are ridiculous (this change in the timeline being just another one). But "hate the fans because they're free"?...

 

My take is that Disney & Lucasfilm thought Star Wars would print them outrageous money and wouldn't fail,  but here we are with the franchise on life support. I'm sure there will be a documentary in a few years documenting how mismanaged Disney Star Wars was from the beginning. Mark Hamill and John Boyega will definitely speak out in a few years too.

 

This is Corporate Star Wars and it sucks.

 

Disney left $1-$2 billion on the table with the movies and merchandise. The movies have been trending down since TFA, guess what Disney & Lucasfilm blamed the fans through the media for a lot of their shit decisions.

 

They killed the Saga and there's no going back they will remake all the movies in 10-20 years.

 

The Mandalorian is the best thing Disney Star Wars has done and it's okay, not great.