The "What Are You Thinking About Right Now?" PIP

[Enrico_sw]

Just now, Enrico_sw said:

You are talking about a short period of time throughout history mid 19th to mid 20th century more or less), but history started 5 000 years ago (and homo sapiens 300 000+ years ago).

 

Even in the 1^st mid of 20^th century, life wasn't easy for men: a huge portion of them died protecting their families against nazis for example.

 

Your grandpa was probably a part of this... That's not a patriarchy to be sent to die in order to defend your family.

 

[Prettyphile]

Oliver Anthony Music’s breakout viral hit “Rich Men North of Richmond” debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart. Among other chart achievements for the singer-songwriter, he’s the first artist ever to launch atop the list with no prior chart history in any form.

[Enrico_sw]

3 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

 

I guess that's the price women have to pay for not having to do serious life-shortening work throughout human history.  Trade-offs.

 

 

Exactly, it's a social contract. When these contracts are fair, they can last for long periods of time.

 

The 2023 woke vision of the social contract is unfair and unbalanced, so it won't last long... either it's crushed by a better movement or the West will be swallowed by outside forces with more vitality.

[Enrico_sw]

8 hours ago, AnatasiaSteele82 said:

 

I will tell you this, my friend. It's hard for me to hear that Private Ryan or Captain Miller were privileged guys, while they put their lives on the line to defend their families.

 

This woke feminism thing doesn't make sense any more.

 

 

[Enrico_sw]

Or Private Caparzo who died because he saved a little girl.

 

How many Caparzos were there in real life? They didn't care about feminism or patriarchy, they just cared about saving lives.

 

 

[Enrico_sw]

4 hours ago, Cult Icon said:

 

The whole war in Ukraine has a horizontal aspect that is obvious if you look at the Anti-West media of Asia & Africa, a bit of the 'blue collar' "3rd/developing countries' vs. the decadent white collar garden "The West".   Many peoples of these countries want NATO to fail mainly because they are tired of being economically exploited by the West as poorly paid back-breaking laborers at the low-end of the value chain.

 

So the whole envy-resentment chain is not just gender but in class warfare LOL.

 

I think a huge part of the disrespect that feminists have for men is due to the fact that we have to face less hardships than before. But western women don't realize  that they live in a lot of confort (way more than western men).

 

The thing is that this "confort" is just an heritage of the hard work put by our grandfathers and grandmothers.

 

I'm afraid that this all boils down to this again:

[Anasxs]

@Enrico_sw I never watched It. I am not fan of wars films but Ryan films are good

[Enrico_sw]

3 hours ago, Prettyphile said:

Oliver Anthony Music’s breakout viral hit “Rich Men North of Richmond” debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart. Among other chart achievements for the singer-songwriter, he’s the first artist ever to launch atop the list with no prior chart history in any form.

 

Tim made a good analysis.

 

The woke barons in the media are furious that his song works so well.

 

 

[Jade Bahr]

I can't remember complaining one single time about me or my life as a woman. Not once. My life is fine. I'm independent, I have a job, I have money, I have a home, a family etc and I'm well aware I have all of this because women and men fought for such rights/privileges (mostly) in the past.

 

Thank you very much for your service at this point.

 

But name me one war that wasn't initiated by men.

[Enrico_sw]

9 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

But name me one war that wasn't initiated by men.

 

1) Easy. All of Catherine 2's wars.

 

2) Men is not a club (like women). It's not because a dude starts a war that all dudes are bad. This rule applies for many many things.

[Enrico_sw]

But the biggest point was that this voting issue is just a very transient one (19th / 1st half of 20th century).

 

And this cannot justify all the misandry that neo-feminism is spewing all day long.

 

 

[Jade Bahr]

3 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

1) Easy. All of Catherine 2's wars.

Also probably every other female monarchy. Fair point LOL

 

 

3 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:

It's not because a dude starts a war that all dudes are bad.

Who ever said "all men" are bad in this conversation?

[Enrico_sw]

Just now, Jade Bahr said:

Who ever said "all men" are bad in this conversation?

 

Not you, but that's what we hear from neo-feminism every day.

 

One French feminist wrote a book that said "we need to erase men" and she got covered by the press.

[Jade Bahr]

But that's the point. Not every feminist is a bad feminist. So is not every man a bad man.

[Enrico_sw]

This French feminist said "we must, in turn, eliminate them" (men). She's not fringe, she's mainstream. And she's a politician, elected in Paris' "city council".

 

https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/alice-coffin-pauline-harmange-quand-des-feministes-haissent-ouvertement-les-hommes-20201007

 

[Enrico_sw]

3 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

But that's the point. Not every feminist is a bad feminist. So is not every man a bad man.

 

Feminist leaders represent feminism and most of them (those vocal in the media) are misandrists.

 

Men is not a club, it's not even a movement (unlike feminism). Masculinism might be a movement (very fringe though) but not "men" (like "women" is not a movement).

[Enrico_sw]

I'm French, I can name you all the feminist leaders in France. All of them have a record of misandrist quotes (Men are trash, men are useless, men are oppressors, etc.)

[Jade Bahr]

So you gonna tell me I have to focus on the "good" sides of men who hasn't had an easy priviliged life either since the homo sapiens exists but you can only repeat the negativity about feminism? Not sure if this discussion can go any further.

 

Public french feminists sucks it seems. Sorry for you lol

[Enrico_sw]

Feminism (in the West in 2023) is the defence of special privilege for women. We are all equal before the law, but feminism wants women to get special rights. I don't see what virtues it holds. What are the rights that women don't have in the West?

 

Feminism in India or Saudi Arabia is the fight for equal rights. Not in the West.

[Enrico_sw]

3 minutes ago, Jade Bahr said:

You you gonna tell me I have to focus on the "good" sides of men who hasn't an easy priviliged life either since the homo sapiens exists but you can only repeat the negativity about feminism? Not sure if this discussion can go any further.

 

 

This is a false premise. It's not the "1st time that men don't have an easy privileged life". Men have been field workers, hunters, soldiers or other shitty jobs for the most part of human history.

 

Men and women didn't have it easy for most of human history.