Star Wars: The Force Awakens

[toodarnhot]

Regarding Rey's parents:

 

 

 

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I saw a post on tumblr that supports the Han x Leia theory, and while I'm not 100% convinced, I thought it was an interesting theory. 

 

 

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The reason I am mainly seeing to why people don’t believe she is a Solo is because they don’t understand why Han and Leia didn’t recognize Rey when they met her, so at the moment that’s the only point I’m directing.

My reply to this is always, they did.

They did recognize her.

This is the point where people go “No they didn’t??? And if they did, why didn’t they say something or act like it???”

But they did. You can see it in the way Han is amazed by how much she knows about the Millennium Falcon, or how he and Leia look at her when she isn’t paying attention. They look at her with unsure glances. How you would look at a high school friend that you hadn’t seen 10 years.

Or, how you would look at someone who you thought died years ago.

Yes, the reason they don’t recognize Rey or bring it up at all, is because they think she is dead.

Think about it, Han and Leia have two kids, and as we can see, they both have the force. It would only be logical for them to send both of them off to train with Luke, especially if the reason why they’re sending Ben off to train with Luke is because they’re scared that he has Vader in him. If Ben does, what if Rey does too? Might as well send her off as well just to be sure.

This theory also explains why Luke went into hiding.

Yes, sure. You could say that he went into hiding because he failed at training Ben. But. Get this.

Imagine, you’re Luke. Your sister sends to you her son, and her younger daughter. Most likely explaining that they were worried for Ben. So he trains them and the new ‘batch’ of Jedi, up until the point of the massacre.

Now, I believe that Kylo is just as strong and skilled as a lot of people do, but to kill all the training Jedi knights and younglings, is a bit of a stretch to me.

We’ve already been informed of this ‘Knights of Ren’ thing, but not what it is.

My theory is that he did the logical thing, and got a bunch of the Jedi to join him. Rightfully naming them, the Knights of Ren. Even if that is wrong, and they were just a bunch of people under Snoke, my theory still stands.

Anyways. Ben (now known as Kylo) kills all the Jedi. All but one. Rey. Because of course, how could he kill his sister? It’s even seen in her vision. She is lying there (as old her, but we can assume that it was really young her in the flashback) and one of the Knights of Ren, swings to kill her. When he is stabbed and she is saved, by a red lightsaber. Kylo’s lightsaber. Kylo.

He can’t kill her. She is his little sister. At this point, he isn’t strong enough in his hate or ‘darkness’. With roughly 10 years of training to be ‘evil’, he still killed his father with regret, how the heck could he kill his own little sister?

So he doesn’t. He convinces the other KoR either not to tell, or that he will kill her, and he goes off and secretly sets her on Jakku. He erases her memory and possibly gives her fake memories of her ‘parents’ leaving her on Jakku. That way he is assured that 1) She will ever be harmed. and 2) She will never be a problem.

No one knows of this but him. Luke, Leia, Han, even Snoke, all think that she is dead. And that is what pushes Luke over the edge.

Because of him, his sister lost two of the most, if not the most, important people in her life. Because he could not help Ben, his sisters kids are both gone. It makes more sense to me that he would run away because he is ashamed that he let this happen. That Leia will never be okay again. It is shame that drives him to be a hermit, not pain. We’ve seen Luke look straight into the eyes of pain. It’s not always an easy fight, but it would be easier than fighting off shame.

So when Han and Leia see Rey, it only makes sense why Han is so quick to take her under his wing. He see’s her, and he see’s the daughter he could of had if he hadn’t lost her. It explains why he looks at her with that “I know you. I swear, you are just like my daughter… But my daughter is dead.”

Not only that, but why they never bring her up. If your own daughter was murdered at the hand of your son, would you ever want to remember that? It also explains why they only talk about Ben oh so much (then again, killing a bunch of jedi usually does that)

It explains why Kylo screams “what girl?” when he hears that BB-8 escaped with a girl from Jakku, and why he is softer around her.

Another thing that came to mind when I was thinking of this, is what other people have been saying about how the lightsaber called to her. And it made me think of what Kylo says when they are about to fight. What starts the battle between Kylo and Finn.

He sees the lightsaber, and he screams “that lightsaber belongs to me”. After thinking about it, I realized something. That lightsaber is Anakin’s. Not Darth Vader. Anakin’s.

As J.J. Abrams says.

“Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker. He idolizes what Vader represents and what Vader was trying to do.”

If he idolizes Darth Vader, and not Anakin, why the heck would he care so much for Anakin’s lightsaber?

Yes, you could say that it was because Darth Vader’s was destroyed or missing or whatever generally happened to it, so Anakin’s was the next best thing. But that just doesn’t make sense to me.

What does make sense, is that when they were training, Rey was given Luke’s (Anakin) lightsaber, because Luke decided that it was fit for her.

Now if you look at it through Ben’s point of view, he already feels angry and unloved from his parents, but now he isn’t even given the family lightsaber? He was the first born, shouldn’t that be his?

That theory also explains why when Rey touches it, she get’s her vision of that fateful night. (And why Kylo decided to make his own lightsaber.)

So when he is screaming “that lightsaber belongs to me!” he means it because he actually believes that it should be his.

In conclusion, I’m pretty dead set on Rey being a Solo.

 

Like I said, I'm not totally convinced by it, but it does have me leaning a little bit in that direction.  Rey could also be the daughter of two complete randoms- if I'm remembering correctly being Force sensitive can be connected to genetics but it's not reliant on it- but I doubt they'll do that with how much mystery they're purposefully making it. I believe JJ said that not giving Finn and Rey last names was a purposeful choice. 

 

 

 

 

[Clauds]

Damn, if put that way it makes a lot of sense o.o

[SympathysSilhouette]

By far this movie's biggest weakness is how slavishly devoted it is to the original trilogy.

The story is basically a remix of "A New Hope" and "Empire".

 

It does have two good new characters in Rey and Finn.

 

But I hope Rian Johnson ignores the original material a bit more for his own movie.

[Michael*]

Saw it on Monday morning and for the rest of the day, I was like a child giddy on lemonade. Completely sold on it and can't wait for the next one.

 

If there's one thing the Lucas prequels proved beyond all doubt, it's that making a good Star Wars movie isn’t so much about a clever story or huge spectacle. The really hard thing to pull off is creating a feeling and a spirit, and I thought Abrams delivered that sense of fun and adventure in spades. All the newbies were excellent (I was particularly impressed by Boyega as Finn) despite only being at the beginning of their character arcs, and the oldies had more than just glorified cameos. I desperately wanted more Captain Phasma though, with any luck that comes later.

 

I understand the criticisms about the movie perhaps not marking its own territory quite enough and I don't necessarily disagree, but I think Abrams has taken the franchise back to its roots as a way of looking forward. It's a homecoming of sorts, a refresh from the direction of the prequels and a launching point for where the trilogy will go in the future. Plus, it provided some changes too - a major one being Kylo Ren, a young person on the dark side of the force, longing to become more powerful while wrestling with the internal struggles of good against evil. Almost a direct counterpoint to Luke's own struggles throughout the original trilogy, especially after finding out that his father was...

 

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...Darth Vader.

 

I know, right? Hands up who saw that one coming.

 

[Michael*]

P.S. If Rey doesn't turn out to be...

 

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...Obi-Wan's granddaughter, I'll eat any hat you care to supply.

 

[toodarnhot]

On January 8, 2016 at 0:19 PM, Michael* said:

 I desperately wanted more Captain Phasma though, with any luck that comes later.

 

Gwen already confirmed she had a much larger role in the next film.  

 

Re: Rey

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I disagree about Kylo not showing any recognition towards Rey. When they informed him there was a girl on Jakku with BB8, there was an emotional outburst from him then imo. 

I also think that he has to be careful not letting on that he may know who she was because failing to kill her would be considered a failure or weakness to Snoke.  

 

[katchitup]

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On the Rey being Hans and Leia's daughter I thought it was kind of weird that Leia had never met her yet I remember when Leia hugged Rey they made a point of it to look like an emotional long hug, which I thought was weird considering they have never met, why would Leia be so passionate and loving towards someone she just met, and I took notice of that, and maybe the movie was trying to emphasize that as well. 

 

[Cult Icon]

On 1/6/2016 at 3:51 AM, SympathysSilhouette said:

By far this movie's biggest weakness is how slavishly devoted it is to the original trilogy.

The story is basically a remix of "A New Hope" and "Empire".

 

It does have two good new characters in Rey and Finn.

 

But I hope Rian Johnson ignores the original material a bit more for his own movie.

 

Like avengers, this movie didn't work well with me; I liked it even less after re-watching some of the critical scenes.  I didn't care much for any of the actors or the writing.  A good tactic to stimulate hype in movies, shows, games, comics, novels, etc. is to structure narratives with a good degree of vagueness yet enough fuel to stimulate a high level of fantasy, theories, & thus hype.  Compelling setpieces that engage in environmental storytelling is the essential glue that bind it all together.  It must also iterate and offer something new- this movie just didn't have it.

 

 I read an article yesterday (centering on the actors that did Rey/Finn) that tracked the earnings power of Star Wars actors over the decades- turns out only Harrison Ford and Natalie Portman rose well above their star wars affiliations. 

 

What interests me most about this movie is its commercial success- would make a good study.  I was talking about it last week and someone theorized that this film now has room to experiment for the sequel.  That'll be something to see- only if however, they abandon the Marvel format.  The next director did Looper which was pretty unconventional, but his creative freedom may hog-tied by Disney's commercial instincts.

 

@Michael Captain Phantasma had barely any screentime in the film; she may have been just a throwaway 'character' used to market cool toys or maybe she'll have a boss fight in the next film.  She has a nice costume (super storm trooper).  Maybe the discs will include her deleted scenes.

 

[Michael*]

On 09/01/2016 at 11:06 PM, Cult Icon said:

@Michael Captain Phantasma had barely any screentime in the film; she may have been just a throwaway 'character' used to market cool toys or maybe she'll have a boss fight in the next film.  She has a nice costume (super storm trooper).  Maybe the discs will include her deleted scenes.

 

Phasma was given some backstory beforehand (like her armour being made from the hull of a Naboo starship) and Gwendoline Christie was all over the movie's marketing beforehand, so I definitely got the impression that she was earmarked for a fairly prominent role. Presumably, her arc was chopped down in order to keep the running time relatively trim. A pity really, because she stood out to me straight away as a potentially memorable character.

 

As @toodarnhot mentioned though, she's confirmed for Episode VIII so thankfully, she won't be going the way of Darth Maul or Boba Fett quite yet. It's just too bad that we have to wait until next year for more.

[SympathysSilhouette]

The problem was that J.J. Abrams was forced to cut down the run-time of his film. The Disney suits wanted him to get as close to a two hour run as possible.

I'm guessing that a lot of the Phasma stuff was edited out that way. The same for some of the Leia scenes that were supposedly dropped.

[jj3]

 

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@michael  @ SS

 

It seems that the actress is someone of an archetype (she played a female knight (?) from Game of thrones).

 

What was retained were brief moments that made her look like a caricature of the 'by the books' sergeant that lives and breathes her duties.  This is often seen in police or war films. 

[Michael*]

On 14/01/2016 at 2:20 PM, Cult Icon said:

It seems that the actress is someone of an archetype (she played a female knight (?) from Game of thrones).

 

What was retained were brief moments that made her look like a caricature of the 'by the books' sergeant that lives and breathes her duties.  This is often seen in police or war films. 

 

The good news is that Phasma has nowhere to go but up now. I'm really hoping to see her become Finn's biggest rival over the course of the next two movies, I like the idea of the rebel Stormtrooper pitted against his old boss, a wildcard looking for revenge. Just stay away from that Sarlacc Pit please Gwendoline.

[Stromboli1]

 

[Stromboli1]

On January 9, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Michael* said:

P.S. If Rey doesn't turn out to be...

 

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Why do you think that?

 

Satine dies in The Clone Wars.

[Stromboli1]

Do any of you watch Rebels?

 

Supposedly the Season 2 finale has canon tie ins, i.e. Malachor. Kylo Ren's lightsaber design dates back to the Great Scourge of Malachor.

[PinkCouture]

On 1/9/2016 at 8:02 PM, Michael* said:

P.S. If Rey doesn't turn out to be...

 

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I think so too! I am hoping she is not...

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a Skywalker b/c most of them are annoying whiney-asses...the men at least. Perhaps of the daddy issues. Although Darth Vader was pretty awesome. However Anikan was very lame and obnoxious like a spoiled child.

 

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[Michael*]

16 hours ago, Stromboli1 said:

Why do you think that?

 

Satine dies in The Clone Wars.

 

A few reasons, really, but mostly because their apparent commitment to stay true to the tone and feel of the original trilogy makes me think that we can expect a couple of twists from one or both of episodes VIII and IX. Based on that premise, Rey being Luke's daughter, or even Han and Leia's daughter (and to be fair, Abrams did seem to be trying to lead us in the direction of the former) just seems too obvious. Personally, I'd lean towards Rey not being a Skywalker at all, or, if Luke is her father, then her mother being a Kenobi, which would be pretty interesting too.

 

I'm not certain that 'Clone Wars' is considered canon now, but even if it is, the timelines have never been what you'd call concrete. Obi-Wan's child could still have been born at any point prior to Satine's death.

[Stromboli1]

2 hours ago, Michael* said:

 

A few reasons, really, but mostly because their apparent commitment to stay true to the tone and feel of the original trilogy makes me think that we can expect a couple of twists from one or both of episodes VIII and IX. Based on that premise, Rey being Luke's daughter, or even Han and Leia's daughter (and to be fair, Abrams did seem to be trying to lead us in the direction of the former) just seems too obvious. Personally, I'd lean towards Rey not being a Skywalker at all, or, if Luke is her father, then her mother being a Kenobi, which would be pretty interesting too.

 

I'm not certain that 'Clone Wars' is considered canon now, but even if it is, the timelines have never been what you'd call concrete. Obi-Wan's child could still have been born at any point prior to Satine's death.

 

The Clone Wars & Rebels are considered canon. I'll see if I can find the article where Disney states both shows are canon. 

 

I like your idea of Rey being of Skywalker & Kenobi lineage, but Obi-Wan was/is the quintessential Jedi. He follows the Jedi code very strictly and would've left the Jedi order if Satine asked him to. It would be dumb that Anakin had a wife and babies and would've been expelled from the Jedi Order when/if found out. Then it would very hypocritical of Obi-Wan if he did the same thing. 

 

I think Rey is Luke's daughter or not related to Han, Leia, or Luke at all. I've heard theories that she's related to Palpatine. Also I don't think Rey is her real name either. 

[PinkCouture]

I really hope Luke gets killed off...preferably in the next movie