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[XSS]

If you want to use Gisele, Karolina, Doutzen, and Karen having a lot Vogue US covers to persuade me, I don't think it is a powerful stand. 

 

Listing Gisele's Vogue covers, you would find that she gradually lost her popularity in Vogue during her VS years. Obviously many fashion heads were happy for Gisele’s decision leaving VS in 2007. Even Anna gave her a Vogue cover in 2008 to reward her.

 

Anna used to call Karolina 'the possible next supper model' and gave her an important cover. But since KK went to VS, Anna no longer mentioned her in public and no more Vogue US covers. Same as Doutzen. I don't know too much about Karen. But I believe there are some things similar to it.

 

Just admit it, the Vogue US and Anna dislike VS and their models.

[borg]

4 hours ago, Souled-Out said:

 

And Adriana and Alessandra left VS years ago. Especially Alessandra, she didn't return until this year. Still nothing. We are talking about Vogue US, not vogue in general. because Ana isn't the director of all the Vogues. I didn't say every Vogue was prejudice and racial. I said the head of Vogue US specifically is, and even with all of Irina's vogue covers, she still has very little Vogue US work. We are talking about Vogue US and Ana

 

Adriana is mixed and MOST DEF been stamped as "exotic" as a model. Now you're re-writing history. You may personally view Adriana as white. She never viewed herself as white. She never called herself white. When people mention her race/ethnicity, they don't call her white because Adriana never called herself that. And she isn't, she's def mixed, how she looks to YOU is different. But lets not pretend like Adriana was not called exotic by the fashion industry itself for years. Lets not pretend like when she was younger, Adriana wasn't being asked her ethnicity and asked what was she mixed with by people in this very industry. She was asked, multiple times even backstage at high fashion shows. Why would they ask her that if they viewed her as a white woman?  They don't ask people who aren't racially ambiguous looking, that. A white latina is Gisele, that is a white latina. Adriana doesn't look a thing like her first of all. They obviously have very different looks. And most importantly, I don't recall Gisele being asked what she was mixed with like Adriana was or her ethnicity being a focal point, like it was for Adriana. There is a reason for that. And yes we do see those real white latinas more everywhere . Adriana does not look like that, and she especially didn't when she was younger and there was a reason why her ethnicity was a focal point in her career. All the other white latina models, their ethnicity was never a highlight in their career. But it is for Adriana and other nonwhite/mixed models. We can't pretend like the fashion industry wasn't deeming Adriana "exotic" left and right, they clearly did.  Especially when she was younger. Rihanna is Rihanna, she is not a model but an entertainer and superstar you can't ignore because of her impact as a singer and business woman. She's a superstar. That goes for ANY none model, including penelope, idk why you used them as examples when they aren't models. Joan is Like Naomi. They are called tokens. They have to choose just enough nonwhite/black models so they don't get called out but its never that many. Lets not act like we don't know what that is.  And as I said, for Vogue US specifically, I am not seeing MODELS like Adriana on those covers often. Not even Irina. Adriana literally liked a post that pointed out Ana being a freaking racist at Vogue a few years ago. I am sure she knows more than you and had a reason for doing that

Of all the things I thought could be controversial, I never imagined that calling this woman white would be one of them. I'm not even going to argue with that, I'm too sick of all these discussions about ethnicities and perceptions of each.

 

 

Adriana was always called exotic in a good way, her beauty has always been accepted and celebrated worldwide since practically the first day of her career. Talking about Adriana as a victim of racism is disrespectful to models who have actually suffered racism, not because they haven't been given a Vogue US cover. If you don't see models like Adriana on Vogue US covers, it's because not every model gets that cover and there certainly aren't many women who look like Adriana because she is an extraordinary beauty.

[borg]

1 hour ago, XSS said:

If you want to use Gisele, Karolina, Doutzen, and Karen having a lot Vogue US covers to persuade me, I don't think it is a powerful stand. 

 

Listing Gisele's Vogue covers, you would find that she gradually lost her popularity in Vogue during her VS years. Obviously many fashion heads were happy for Gisele’s decision leaving VS in 2007. Even Anna gave her a Vogue cover in 2008 to reward her.

 

Anna used to call Karolina 'the possible next supper model' and gave her an important cover. But since KK went to VS, Anna no longer mentioned her in public and no more Vogue US covers. Same as Doutzen. I don't know too much about Karen. But I believe there are some things similar to it.

 

Just admit it, the Vogue US and Anna dislike VS and their models.

And not even only Vogue US and Anna, other major editions like the UK, Italian and French ones don't like them either. They don't like VS (or SI) models, they have always preferred the more "elegant" image of the haute couture catwalk models to those of VS and I'm not even defending this at all, but it's obvious that this has always been Vogue's preferences, even though each edition has its own editor, they are obviously influenced by the image that the Vogue concept is supposed to sell. You only have to look at the list of models who have appeared on their covers, despite being much less popular than VS icons like Adriana, Alessandra or Candice.

[laeteita]

@borg

On 6/8/2020 at 10:42 PM, lucyford said:

I saved it cause I had a feeling she’d delete it. She deleted this story that was necessary. Maybe she got scared she’d not only NOT get a Vogue US cover but no more editorials, Vogue videos , or Met Gala. 

This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.

There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.

[Souled-Out]

5 hours ago, laeteita said:

@borg

This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.

There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.

 

Thank you.

 

As I said, Adriana knows more than we do. Nobody else can tell her what she has seen or experienced. Or the other people who have said some of the same things about the same person/institution. Like I said, adriana's ethnicity literally being some "highlight" in her career was telling of how she was being viewed by that industry sometimes

[Clauds]

Yeah I Adriana has definitely been filed under "exotic" her entire career. Is she white passing? Yes, she is. But she's definitely been stereotyped which makes it harder to break into HF and get taken seriously by the industry, for Adriana VS was the best thing because it made her household name which then lead to a more successful career. 

 

Irina was on the same boat, the only difference is that Irina started dating a very famous man and that elevated her profile, otherwise I'm pretty sure she would not be where she is right now.

[borg]

8 hours ago, laeteita said:

@borg

This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.

There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.

If we are now to believe that Adriana was also a curvy model at some point in her career... I love Adriana, she's my favorite model ever, but that doesn't mean I have to buy everything she says as if she were a divine being. She has had, like almost all models because that's how the industry works, quite a few moments of being a bit hypocritical.

[Clauds]

5 minutes ago, borg said:

If we are now to believe that Adriana was also a curvy model at some point in her career... I love Adriana, she's my favorite model ever, but that doesn't mean I have to buy everything she says as if she were a divine being. She has had, like almost all models because that's how the industry works, quite a few moments of being a bit hypocritical.

 

I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adriana was by all standards a curvy model back when she started in the late 90s-00s. Gisele literally built her entire career on being "the Brazilian bombshell" with the curves, defying the standard of the "heroine chic" that had taken the fashion industry by storm with Kate Moss, and once Gisele opened the doors then the Brazilian bombshell trend started from which Adriana, Alessandra, Ana Beatriz, Isabeli and many others profited from and were able to build a high fashion career while also being commercially successful. Before that you were either a high fashion model or you were a commercial model.  

 

Is she what would be considered curvy now? Absolutely not, but back in the day she most definitely was considered curvacious/bigger than the average model, the "I'm not a typical size 0 model, I have boobs and a butt!" was a massive selling point for Adriana's career and commercial success but it also put a dent on her high fashion career. It's insane that that was the standard, but let's not rewrite history, that's exactly how it was, if you watch the old VSFS they even discuss how their models are "diverse" and "curvy" 

[borg]

29 minutes ago, Clauds said:

 

I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adriana was by all standards a curvy model back when she started in the late 90s-00s. Gisele literally built her entire career on being "the Brazilian bombshell" with the curves, defying the standard of the "heroine chic" that had taken the fashion industry by storm with Kate Moss, and once Gisele opened the doors then the Brazilian bombshell trend started from which Adriana, Alessandra, Ana Beatriz, Isabeli and many others profited from and were able to build a high fashion career while also being commercially successful. Before that you were either a high fashion model or you were a commercial model.  

 

Is she what would be considered curvy now? Absolutely not, but back in the day she most definitely was considered curvacious/bigger than the average model, the "I'm not a typical size 0 model, I have boobs and a butt!" was a massive selling point for Adriana's career and commercial success but it also put a dent on her high fashion career. It's insane that that was the standard, but let's not rewrite history, that's exactly how it was, if you watch the old VSFS they even discuss how their models are "diverse" and "curvy" 

Maybe you're right, but I don't know how Adriana's body, especially in her early years when she was very thin, could be considered more voluptuous  and curvy than those of Laetitia, Tyra, Heidi or Eva Herzigova just to name a few of some of the most iconic models of that era.

 

       

[Clauds]

6 minutes ago, borg said:

Maybe you're right, but I don't know how Adriana's body, especially in her early years when she was very thin, could be considered more voluptuous  and curvy than those of Laetitia, Tyra, Heidi or Eva Herzigova just to name a few of some of the most iconic models of that era.

 

       

 

If you look up Tyra Banks when her career started in 1991 you'll see she was by no means as voluptuous as she became later on and once she did become more voluptuous her career in high fashion was not as prominent anymore and she fully transitioned into commercial gigs like VS and Sports Illustrated, Heidi by her own admission had no real career whatsoever until VS made her a household name, plus Heidi is the perfect example of someone who is a massive commercial success but she has no high fashion credentials at all. Eva's career became prominent after being featured in a lingerie commercial and Laetitia was a GUESS Girl who then also became more prominent thanks to her work for L'Oreal and VS, two huge commercial brands. If anything, Eva and Laetitia are the exceptions that prove the rule.

 

Again, I think it's insanity that Adriana and the other Brazilian girls were considered the peak of curves when they were all pretty darn thin, but when you compare them to what was trendy in the high fashion world at the time with the likes of Kate Moss and Jamie King then it's easy to see why. Not that I'm complaining, I'm really happy Adriana stuck with VS and took a more commercial route, I've never really been into the high fashion aesthetics and even now when they claim to be more "diverse" the majority of the girls walking down a runway do not look like the poster children of health. But all you need to do is watch the old VS shows and read the headlines for Adriana's covers through the years to see that she was most definitely put into the "exotic, voluptuous, bombshell" box.

[Souled-Out]

Adriana's post about her vogue video hit 1 million likes. She is absolutely crushing it. Her social media presence/engagement is insane for a model her age and a model from the 2000s

[Souled-Out]

If Adriana has anymore appearances she is making this year, I really hope she wears her hair down more like she used to. I really don't understand why she seems allergic to having voluminous hair and curls now

[laeteita]

According to some fashion influencers, MBC1 (Saudi tv) is now live from backstage of Elie Saab show. Any idea if there is any way to access to the channel out from S.A.?

[nhlovesadri]

18 minutes ago, laeteita said:

According to some fashion influencers, MBC1 (Saudi tv) is now live from backstage of Elie Saab show. Any idea if there is any way to access to the channel out from S.A.?

Here you can stream MBC channels, but I don't see anything like that on MBC 1

 

http://www.elahmad.com/tv/mbc-live.php

 

or here either:

 

https://shahid.mbc.net/en/livestream

[laeteita]

@nhlovesadri We need MBC1, i can't find too. Probably it is online platform,not actual channel, IDK. 

[ArianaVSCouture]

@laeteita, is it this one you're looking for? 
https://www.livehdtv.com/mbc-1/2/

[laeteita]

@ArianaVSCouture Thanks. Probably it's over but i was told they didn't show Adriana on backstage interviews.

[laeteita]

5 hours ago, patt said:

Also, one of the Vogue Spain's editor mentioned this is one of the most successful cover. Maybe someone would share the statictical information about the cover.

Correct me if i'm wrong but it was about first day or first week sales. There was available data about how many copies of her cover sold but they stop sharing info after Flood disaster. I'm pretty sure flood affect the sales negative.

[patt]

I have question, do you think Adriana still working with JazoPR? I saw Laurent at the Elie Saab event but he wasn't there for Adriana in my opinion. You all said fashion is not his bussiness and only model he works with is Adriana so i thought he was there for Adriana. Maybe with 'The Society' she wouldn't need a PR agency, am i wrong?

[patt]

Hi, can someone tell me if Adriana and Andre got married officially? I saw a different kind of ring on Adriana's wedding ring finger on the Broadway event's photos so i thought they finally got married. Photos posted on here do not show the ring but i saw it. I can't tell difference between wedding ring and a random accessorise. Any idea?