Miss USA 2007 March 23rd NBC 9pm EST Live from Hollywood, California

[freddie Mercury]

Colorado

Love

[amber69]

Rouge Red seems to have a hard time accepting the fact that international beauty standards are set by American Women, He hates the fact that the most famous beautiful woman in the world is the All American Girl, he can't stand the fact that women over the world change their appearance to appear more like the beautiful American women they see on television everything, he's just a hater, and still didn't give a valid reason as to why the U.S has won Miss Universe more times than any other country has won any other pageant's , hes just a typical anti-American hater! Typical, Don't be jealous Rouge, you're going to pump my gas someday!

you´re serious?? :rofl: no, no..come on..you ARE really serious...?? oh my god...*trying to catch her breath*

uff

beautiful american woman?? never seen such a thing yeah, I´ve seen a lots of make-up, plastic surgery, and some imitation of beauty too. Maybe I was blinded by the huge american boobs though, I couldn´t see that true beauty

ok, now, serious, I know there are a lot of beautiful woman in america, but frankly, U.S.A. is well-known for having the ugliest woman on earth. And frankly, which one can you call "american"?? Most of the beauties are origin Africans, portoricans, mexicans, etc....I could go on and on. There is nothing like REAL AMERICAN - until you aren´t an Indian, because THOSE are real americans. So, frankly...hm...I can´t imagine someone who "change their appearance to appear more like the beautiful American women", and if I would met one, I´m sure she´ll be blond, with big boobs and a lack of brain inside her head, maybe with a tattoo on her forehead saying "Insert brain here"

So here you´ve got your standart of american beauty "blond, BOOBS, blond" nothing else matters. But in the case you´re speaking about the real american women, like those Indians ones, so..yeah, they´re mostly very beautiful, and special

If you want your reason for Miss Universe, it´s all about money. Trust me either Miss Universe and Miss World got nothing to do with beauty. It´s just another bussines, that´s all. Why do you think that american contestant will ALWAYS be in the top 10?? Ask Mr. Tramp. And put down those glasses you´re wearing, or rather...put them ON.

Ok I'm not even american but your comments pissed me off. How are Americans well known for having the ugliest women on earth? Is it because Hollywood actresses are worshipped for their beauty worldwide? And the average Californian girl or texan looks gorgeous compared to all these other people you guys keep praising like the brazilians and the russians.

If there's no such thing as "real american" then the brazilians aren't "real" either. neither are the argentinians or the mexicans for that matter. Even the Venezuelan candidates for Miss Venezuela are being imported from the United States nowadays. case in point

Ms. Venezuela 2005 Monica Spear

Ms Venezuela International 2005 Andrea Gomez

It doesn't matter if their ancestries lie in different parts of the world as long as they call AMerica home.

On the other hand, I wouldn't go as far to say that the most beautiful woman in the world is the All american girl. and the Miss Universe contest is owned by the Americans which is why they always end up being in the finals.

[amber69]

To get back on topic:

Miss Virginia is beautiful

[amber69]

California

Texas

Jami Stallings( i forgot what state she's representing)

Kentucky

[amber69]

Jamie is from Indiana

Tennessee

[amber69]

Miss SOuth Carolina

[Jennka]

amber69 - I´m sorry to piss you off, I was just speaking my mind cuz I got pissed off from Rammies comment and honestly, how did I come to that "america´s ugliest women" statement? Easily. Eventhough I´m just "sitting in a Slovakian chair", EVERYONE, and I´m not exagerating, EVERYONE who I know who went to USA came home and was disgusted by american woman. Everyone. I don´t know a simple person who told "yeah, american woman are beautiful", and it´s not just about my friends or neighbours, it´s everywhere I go, forums, school, work, anywhere! So that´s why USA is well known in europe for having ugly women. On the other hand, I wrote also that I KNOW there are a lots of beautiful women in america. But I was GENERALLY speaking. Do you know what THAT means? And I was not at all speaking about Hollywood where it´s ALL about beauty. I was speaking about average, common women. And even hollywood, don´t take me wrong, has nothing to do with natural beauty. Look at Eva Longoria. What is she without make-up? A desperate wife, yeah.

Again, I´m NOT trying to say every american woman is ugly, OK?? Generally speaking, nothing more. Slovak people is, e.g. known as a drunk one, so...

I love blatant ignorance and negative, self-serving stereotypes of other people! Blonde hair and big boobs, yes that's all that matters to us in the US. I'm sure you're entirely qualified to make such a statement from your chair there in SLOVAKIA.

yeah, I like my chair, thank you. And I didn´t say it´s all that matters to you in USA. It´s just a general point of view.

I have little doubt you've ever met a lot (if any) Native American Indians either so once again your jumping to whatever ignorant conclusion suits your negative opinion of American women.

Do I have to met a native american indian to have an opinion from what I see and read??

Then, in the face of proof that there are beautiful American women--winning the Miss Universe pageant numerous times--you blame it on money. Are you qualified to make that statement? No. Of course not, but it suits you to make it.

He asked, I answered. Everyone knows it, it´s quite obvious and you really don´t have to be "qualified" to know it And it doesn´t prove that american woman are ugly or anything, NO

So have you said anything intelligent or anything with credibility? Not in the slightest.

thank you for information. It doesn´t matter at all I was just speaking my mind, that´s all

#3 The official cause of Miss Universe is the fight against HIV/AIDS, and she also acts as a goodwill ambassador around the world, so on the outside, a contestants goals ARE noble, but you clearly didn't know that because you have no idea what you're talking about

oh..man...so they´re a good at heart, aren´t they?? mercy on me!!

Don´t be silly all that bullshits about "All I want is a world peace" are making me vomit. Tell me, HOW many of those girls have EVER been to the third world countries? Kambodza? Africa? Arabian countries destroyed by war (lead by YOUR president, Mr. "The-whole-world policeman" Bush)? How many of them did really HELP those countries? I´m eager to know that.

No, they´re not bad because they don´t do it, and I don´t blame anyone, I just want to tell that humanitarian reasons are the LAST when it comes to a beauty competition.

#4 If they want to be famous, then they're taking a pretty ineffective way of getting there since pageant winners never become better known than top actors or musicians, so that seriously leads me to doubt that their end goal is simply fame

really?? It really does lead you to doubt? You´re an interesting person then indeed. One that wants to be famous, he/she would do anything to be famous. Trust me, EVERY of that women wants to be famous. I don´t know other reasons, and I´m sure there are MANY more, but fame is one of them for sure. It´s not bad. It´s just the way it is, that´s all.

oh, I´m getting tired of this. Very sorry for offtopic, so, these are those I like

California

District of Columbia

Hawaii -

Illinois

Kansas

Kentucky

Maryland

Nebraska

Oregon

Tennessee

[Jennka]

btw - rouge red and SympathysSilhouette -

[rouge red]

Jennka, I love you... (in fact I love so many here right now)

That was my last post until the competition

[Jennka]

Jennka, I love you... (in fact I love so many here right now)

That was my last post until the competition

what a pity love ya too :D

[mbinebri]

how did I come to that "america's ugliest women" statement? Easily. Eventhough I'm just "sitting in a Slovakian chair", EVERYONE, and I'm not exagerating, EVERYONE who I know who went to USA came home and was disgusted by american woman. Everyone. I don't know a simple person who told "yeah, american woman are beautiful", and it's not just about my friends or neighbours, it's everywhere I go, forums, school, work, anywhere! So that's why USA is well known in europe for having ugly women.

So EVERYONE you know who's visited the US has been disgusted with American women? Tell me, now what would American women have to do to disgust foreigners? Eat road-kill? Rape children? Wear human skin for clothing? These are things that would disgust me, and frankly, I don't see any women doing that! Or is it just our women's looks that disgust the Europeans you know? That's how you make it sound, since the conclusions coming from their disgust equate to American women being the ugliest in the world.

Now I don't like to assume the worst about people--unlike some in this thread--so I won't pass judgement on what all that leads me to think. I'll just leave it at the two options that occurred to me: either you're lying (or grossly exxagerating the opinions of the people you know who visited the US) in a desperate attempt to support your ignorant opinion, or you're a magnet for the most shallow people in Europe. Either way, you're "generally speaking" is leading to an opinion that's worth nothing.

To further counter your points, I can tell you that I'm second-generation European on my mother's side and third-generation on my father's, so about 75% of my family still lives in Europe and they have all come to the US numerous times to visit and NONE said a single thing bad about American women. And my cousins would have gladly pointed out their negative thoughts if they had any just to mess with me.

So now you're bashing Hollywood actresses for not having natural beauty? You give one example to support it?

So it's just your "general point of view" that Americans favor blonde hair and big breasts? And this is coming from where? "The Girls Next Door" and Pam Anderson? Because I look around and I don't see any girls like that, and if that's what we favor, I'm sure I'd be able to find at least ONE.

You say Native Americans are beautiful based on what you've seen and read? You base your opinions on the movies and TV then? Good source! We all know the entertainment industry seeks to show everything just as it is, don't we? Or maybe you googled "Native American Women" to see some pictures, just like I did a minute ago? Well, if you think those women are beautiful... they're all yours.

Everyone knows American women winning Miss Universe is because of money? Make sure you point me towards this "everyone" and the facts that they have, okay?

And go ahead, assume the negative of a pageant contestant's motives! I mean, why think positive when we can think negative? So embrace the hate, Jennka, embrace the hate! And make sure to point out to me when there's a mass movement of models to save the children in third-world countries. I don't want to miss it.

You also say I should trust you that every contestant has fame on their mind? Now based on all the above, why on Earth would I trust what you say?

Now excuse me while I google "Slovakian women," because I'm expecting the most fantastically gorgeous women that have ever existed based on your condescension. If they're not, I'm going to be vastly disappointed.

[SympathysSilhouette]

I am trying to have an honest discussion here, but you don't provide much incentive for me to continue. I have better things to do with my time than being held up in some juvenile pissing contest.

Beat me down? Are you serious? Are you that far lacking in self-esteem that you have to resort to chest-thumping on an internet message board to feel good about yourself?

Assuming negative things about people, then insulting me, makes an honest discussion for you?

Where did I insult you? I believe it was you who used the words "beat down" in reply to my post and told Rouge she would be "pumping your gass". I pointed out that you used a condescending tone and that I had no interest in being involved in a pissing contest with you. So exactly who insulted who?

Now I'd respond to your other post about my various points, but…

Now if you want to respond again, please do better. You're putting me to sleep and it's not even 6pm.

Thanks for once again proving my point, all you can put up as a reply to our posts are juvenile personal attacks.

As a friendly suggestion, you might want to read up on the forum rules, which ban both flaming and trolling.

I'm willing to have a serious discussion about this subject with you, if you are man enough to drop the tone and the insults. If you can't do that, you aren't worth another minute of my time. Frankly, it seems to me you are so entrenched in some sort of zone of commitment about this matter that you aren't willing to discuss this respectfully.

[Prettyphile]

People, let me reiterate, less QQ - I'm trying so fucking hard not to put my two sense in. DOT NOT open Pandora's box ( I can be really un PC, you don't want that). Hello, grandmother half Native America, born and raised in Cali. *It slanders "my" people and in makes an unhappy meepers".

*holds her tongue for NOW*

[Jennka]

oky, I´ll shut up, promise...I´m sorry for bringing up such a discussion forgive me Josie....not talking about it anymore.

Can someone post more pics of Hawaii girl???

[amber69]

very well said mbinebri.

Moving on.

Miss Hawaii. Not a looker imho.

West Virginia(left)

Kentucky again

South Carolina again

Illinois

[amber69]

Virginia's the prettiest

Texas is cute

[Prettyphile]

oky, I´ll shut up, promise...I´m sorry for bringing up such a discussion forgive me Josie....not talking about it anymore.

Can someone post more pics of Hawaii girl???

Hunny, it was in no way directed at you or anyone else, just a general statement. No worries

[mbinebri]

Where did I insult you? I believe it was you who used the words "beat down" in reply to my post and told Rouge she would be "pumping your gass". I pointed out that you used a condescending tone and that I had no interest in being involved in a pissing contest with you. So exactly who insulted who?

Thanks for once again proving my point, all you can put up as a reply to our posts are juvenile personal attacks.

As a friendly suggestion, you might want to read up on the forum rules, which ban both flaming and trolling.

I'm willing to have a serious discussion about this subject with you, if you are man enough to drop the tone and the insults. If you can't do that, you aren't worth another minute of my time. Frankly, it seems to me you are so entrenched in some sort of zone of commitment about this matter that you aren't willing to discuss this respectfully.

I'm getting tired of this, therefore I'll make it brief and simple, so this SS guy can understand it.

#1 You insulted me by saying I have low self esteem and calling me a "chest-thumper"; and "beating down" is not an insult--I don't even know where you got that idea!

#2 It's "gas," not "gass"

#3 It wasn't me who said that to Rouge about pumping gas, so please get your facts straight if you're going to talk to me, because now I doubt you even know who you're arguing with, and it also proves you don't think before you type

#4 I'll reiterate: it was YOU who insulted ME

#5 Now you're saying my comments are juvenile--another insult from you when you say you're the one being insulted! hey, what's that smell? oh, it's the smell of HYPOCRISY

#6 I'm very familiar with the rules, thanks, and I believe you can be banned for your constant insults against me, so you might want to watch your mouth

#7 Yes, I am entrenched in a "zone of commitment" because I am an American and every girlfriend and female friend I've ever had is being insulted in this ignorant bash-the-US policy of yours and your friends, when you all know next to nothing about Americans beyond what stereotypes you treasure (and do you see me bashing YOUR people?). so you're damn straight I'm entrenched in this issue! anyone with pride would be!

#8 You're calling me out on my tone and insults, when you're the one with the insults and the bad tone? hey, I smell something familiar...

#9 Don't even try to sound like the responsible one with your talk about a "serious discussion": if you were serious about it, you might have shown the maturity Jennka demonstrated in PMing me earlier to handle this like an adult

Are we done now? I feel like I'm trying to play chess with someone who only knows the rules of checkers, and it doesn't make for a good game.

[Jennka]

Please stop this... or I´ll come to both of you and beat you with sticks like my mum used to :D :evil:

[Jennka]

oky, I´ll shut up, promise...I´m sorry for bringing up such a discussion forgive me Josie....not talking about it anymore.

Can someone post more pics of Hawaii girl???

Hunny, it was in no way directed at you or anyone else, just a general statement. No worries

uff...thank you