Game of Thrones
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On 5/14/2019 at 12:19 AM, Cult Icon said:
I don't really know what to make of Jaime/Cersei's scene to me. They make it look tragic and poignant but to me it's ????? ehh? For Jaime, an entire season of redemption unravels in two episodes? I like how the end finally brought out Cersei's real self- vulnerable, afraid, confused, etc. which had always been hidden underneath the ruthless bi*ch persona. However it doesn't really make up for all the evil things she did.... which soften the impact for me.
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Hide contentsfor a long time I though Jaime would be the one to kill Cersei
Because of Maggy the Frog's prophecy (valonqar)? Yeah, that would've made sense. And it would've made Jaime's journey to redemption more meaningful...
57 minutes ago, Enrico_sw said:Good one
@Stromboli1 That reminds me of something that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Yes, that's what happens when you write the story as you go with different writers doing their own chapters than writing the whole story together as a group with equal creative input. Also in GoTs case the writers getting bullet points on how to end the show rather than the depth in direction on how to get to those bullet points.
I'm high right now so I hope you get what I'm saying. 
I just read the updated and much expanded freefolk spoilers for Ep6. It's pretty bad and I prefer to make my own ending inside of my head! or wait for Martin to finish the books.
4 hours ago, Enrico_sw said:
Because of Maggy the Frog's prophecy (valonqar)? Yeah, that would've made sense. And it would've made Jaime's journey to redemption more meaningful...
It seems like prophecies in GOT are not very reliable (looking at Melissandre).
The behind the scenes footage of the showrunner said that Jaime is "addicted" to Cersei and the last minute move was a backslide. The issue I have with this (as with several character arcs) is the in-congruence. Jaime didn't seem addicted to Cersei at all in the show- besides being her lapdog he didn't even seem much in love with her!
Jaime- Brienne's story is one of the more interesting ones in the show.
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Imagine a post-credits scene showing Dany being resurrected by Children of the Forest, NK style . With Jon as Lord Command and Dany the WW Queen, that would be like a loose re-enactment of the Ancient NK legend from the books. How about that? 
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More interesting than the junk spoiler ending. It looks like the key of having a happy ending in GOT
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is to be the comedic relief (Bronn) and have secondary/3rd rate roles...
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17 hours ago, Cult Icon said:^
More interesting than the junk spoiler ending. It looks like the key of having a happy ending in GOT
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Reveal hidden contentsis to be the comedic relief (Bronn) and have secondary/3rd rate roles...
Yeah Bronn is pretty much a shit-eating character who shouldnt have been vested with any relevance beyond S3
On 5/16/2019 at 4:28 PM, elfstone said:Yeah Bronn is pretty much a shit-eating character who shouldnt have been vested with any relevance beyond S3
I think Bronn is only in the show because he's a fan favorite so the network retained him.
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They are making "a better world" by employing a failure (Tyrion) and a criminal (Bronn) to be hand of the king and Chief Financial Officer....a drop-out Maiester to be the leader of all Maiesters...and a lobotomized individual with magical knowledge and no agency is King. Good job! still hoping that most of the leak is drivel. I wonder how Jon avoids getting killed by Drogon???!
+ IMHO they don't really need to be subversive in the ending for Game of Thrones. For 8 seasons the show has subverted expectations and archetypes but giving the audience a happy and/or just ending wouldn't be inappropriate- it can be seen as a way to reward the audience.
It seems like the internet anger is due to the lack of a disneyfied or a lord of the Rings type ending.
They WANTED King's Landing to be taken in a clean way, They WANTED Jon & Dany as a viable power-couple, They want to see a newer and better world with no iron throne, etc.
On 5/15/2019 at 5:35 PM, Enrico_sw said:
Going back to GOT, it surprised me that Unsullied became wild/uncontrollable. Crowds or wild troops can unleash wild violences, but the Unsullied are trained and disciplined soldiers. Their behavior was a bit surprising. Even if they are faithful to Dany and saw her burn the city, it's not a big enough signal for attacking mercilessly defenseless soliders/people (from the ground they couldn't see what she attacked, maybe she was destroying some last defenses - they reacted a bit too quickly imho and Jon, who's one of Dany's lieutenants, told them to stop). Maybe, the best explanation is that Grey Worm's personal vengeful feelings got the best of him, and they all blindly followed.
Dany's progression is a complex subject. It seems to me that she always had a duality, between angry feelings and a sense of justice. Before King's landing, the fact people always saw her as a savior probably eased her angry impulses and strengthened her sense of justice. Then, in King's landing, she's not "praised" and she's not seen positively, so it may have helped to resurface her angry feelings and to soften her sense of justice (she says so herself, something like "if I can't rule with love here, I will rule with fear").
What you are talking about is the phenomenon known as "the madness of the crowds", where the individual gets submerged into the collective. When this happens, the individual gets swept away by the fury and loses conception of personal responsibility (their crimes are hidden in "the mass" so they act on their worst impulses, feeling at the moment that they can get away with anything. This happens all the time in war crimes- the soldiers are in a time and place where they are effectively in a "world without rules". In a way, war and high pressure situations shows men who they really are and war crimes are positively correlated with a lower level of unit discipline or ideological hatred/lower morality.
Yes, that's right about the unsullied. Either it's another illogical turn by the showrunners are there is more embedded meaning for the slave-soldiers to break discipline.
After Episode 5, I have the impulse to re-visit Dany's arcs again. I paid the least attention to her and jorah's stories Her downfall after Winterfell to me was not done adequately and in accordance to how it worked earlier on the show. Essentially she had 1.5 episodes to make a 180 and turn on her hard won alliance that took seasons to build up. She jumped into Plan B with little to contain the impeding fallout of Plan A except her Dragon, which can't follow her around in-doors like the Mountain...
one last hypppeee
Fitting end to the show imho.
I agree!
Hubs told me something he saw today from the actor who was Gray Worm. He said, “it’s not the ending they want, it’s the ending they deserved.”
I thought it fitting and much like I hoped for.
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