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13 minutes ago, lucyford said:
But CAA is an agency???? And has an expanding fashion section
Yes lucyford but it seems it is true that she works with them not for modeling business but for brand managing branch for her kosmetic brand or whatever it will be. It all make sense she didn’t involve CAA this post since this post is all about her model business. Which CAA isn’t.
6 minutes ago, patt said:Yes lucyford but it seems it is true that she works with them not for modeling business but for brand managing branch for her kosmetic brand or whatever it will be. It all make sense she didn’t involve CAA this post since this post is all about her model business. Which CAA isn’t.
I guess I’m confused as to what CAA does exactly then. They have a decent group of models signed looking at that CAA fashion page
3 hours ago, ekn said:@laeteita we already knew she signed with CAA for her brand not for her fashion career. With this post she announced it to whole world.
She changed her e-mail adress on her social media accounts to this: LimaGroup39@gmail.com.
Yes i know these details.
Adriana has never listed as a ‘Talent’ by Caa but as a ‘client’ unlike models who collobrate with them.
And i received a Facebook notification that says Adriana Lima changed her contact info as well.
That wasn’t what i asked actually. I can’t believe she is refusing to sign with any model agency. Why? Why did she decided to do this. She couldn’t manage to get any Vogue US or UK while having the most influential agencies behind her, now it is impossible. I would understand if she wants to slow down but she implied she wants Vogue covers and walk for more runway show on her recent ig post. I hope i’m wrong but if she insists on not signing with a decent modeling agency, i can’t see her survive in this industry. She doesn’t even care her repution judging by her controversial stories. But i wish good luck to her...
I won't probably miss her agency's management because it wasn't that present to be honest, I mean they never promoted her a tenth of what she deserved (too busy with Kendall and other new models I guess...), and if this change lets her do what she likes best, why not? People will still call her, she's Adriana Lima, one of the most popular names in fashion and behiond. She survived with the terible marketing strategy they had these years just fine, so worst than that it can't go lol.
CAA is not a modeling agency per se, they are indeed more focused in business and brands, I am sure if Adriana is planning to launch her own skin care/make up line, that's what she needs CAA for. But to book editorials, shows or campaigns? She's damn right she doesn't need an agency, she's is one of the biggest names in the industry from the past two decades, I'm sure she already knows everyone she needs to know and brands/editors have their made up their mind about Adriana already, it's not like she needs to get her name out there anymore.
If Adriana was a newer, no-name girl then I'd be more worried and convinced this was a huge mistake, but considering where she is in her career, I honestly think it's fine but we'll see.
21 minutes ago, Clauds said:CAA is not a modeling agency per se, they are indeed more focused in business and brands, I am sure if Adriana is planning to launch her own skin care/make up line, that's what she needs CAA for. But to book editorials, shows or campaigns? She's damn right she doesn't need an agency, she's is one of the biggest names in the industry from the past two decades, I'm sure she already knows everyone she needs to know and brands/editors have their made up their mind about Adriana already, it's not like she needs to get her name out there anymore.
If Adriana was a newer, no-name girl then I'd be more worried and convinced this was a huge mistake, but considering where she is in her career, I honestly think it's fine but we'll see.
I agree. And even if it doesn't go as planned, she can always just go back and sign up to another agency guys. This something completely reversible if need be. Not like she did something permanent, its something that can be fixed if it needs to be
Also, in her caption she mentioned the work she has gotten from 2018 up to this point, was actually by HERSELF. And thats good because thats more than 2 Vogue covers and campaigns with miu miu, BCBG, and MaxMara. So its not like it hasn't worked out before. Lets hope it continues to. And even if not, it takes nothing for her to sign up to another agency again as I said.
She is Adriana Lima and can work it with an agency or without it.
About CAA
CAA is a modeling agency. They were building the fashion department for 2 years and official launch it this year. All the models left their other main modeling agency when the singed with CAA. In Adrianas model.com page you can see that she is singed with them in the model AND talent department.
47 minutes ago, Souled-Out said:
I agree. And even if it doesn't go as planned, she can always just go back and sign up to another agency guys. This something completely reversible if need be. Not like she did something permanent, its something that can be fixed if it needs to be
Also, in her caption she mentioned the work she has gotten from 2018 up to this point, was actually by HERSELF. And thats good because thats more than 2 Vogue covers and campaigns with miu miu, BCBG, and MaxMara. So its not like it hasn't worked out before. Lets hope it continues to. And even if not, it takes nothing for her to sign up to another agency again as I said.
I think she didn’t leave The Society tho until towards the end of 2018. I think Miu Miu was through The Society. I’m not worried that she left The Society since yes they were not doing much for her. We were all saying last year that CAA was doing more for her but it turns out that was just her. I just think maybe she could still benefit more from being with another agency.
@adamama exactly. 100% agree with you. That’s what i mentioned on candid thread last month. She cares quality of the work not quantity but she wouldn’t guess there will be a pandemic and it will be 10 times harder to get work.
On 8/17/2020 at 11:06 PM, ekn said:I want to see her working too but in this Pandemic and without having any modeling agency to support her, it must be hard.
2 hours ago, lucyford said:I think she didn’t leave The Society tho until towards the end of 2018. I think Miu Miu was through The Society. I’m not worried that she left The Society since yes they were not doing much for her. We were all saying last year that CAA was doing more for her but it turns out that was just her. I just think maybe she could still benefit more from being with another agency.
No I feel like they have been gone for awhile. And adriana told the full story of how she got with miu miu it was def more personal and through kegrand, and kegrand actually commeneted under her post out of support
Did she stop working with FullPicture/Andrea too? I can't access their client list on their website, it asks for password.
24 minutes ago, laeteita said:Did she stop working with FullPicture/Andrea too? I can't access their client list on their website, it asks for password.
Prob not if it’s true she’s been doing this since 2018. Andrea was the one accompanying her to most things since Chris stopped.
So this is where I'm lost.
A modeling agency's job is supposed to be to book jobs for a model for which they receive some commission. For a new model, they do all the prep work (i.e. test shoots, assembling a portfolio, sending them to castings, etc.) but certainly for a model as big as Adriana (who clients would ask for directly) they don't need to get her name out there. I imagine at a regular modeling agency, the bookers are not hustling for these girls. They're devoting a lot more time and energy to the girls super in-demand right now (Bella, etc.) and new faces. I imagine the older girls get less attention and the bookers/agents take it kinda easy since those girls are more established. I think a modeling agency is beneficial in negotiating deals for model groups. Example, Vogue wants a cover with 5 models so an agency might package the group together and throw in faces they're trying to promote. But are you telling me that if Vogue Italia went to The Society and said, "we want to book Adriana," that The Society wouldn't check with Adriana and if she's available then just book it? I find it hard to believe that Adriana who is kinda reclusive is schmoozing and networking with the casting directors and hustling to promote herself. If it's true then power to her, but it seems a little beneath her for a model of her caliber which is why I'm assuming the agents/bookers are necessary.
Now the whole point of CAA is that they are supposedly charging less commission and exposing their fashion clients to a broader range of opportunities (i.e. industries the previous modeling agencies had no exposure to like television, etc.) Also the KCDxCAA joint venture was interesting because it basically allowed them to offer a complete range of services to a client. For example, they could go to Versace and say, "hey we will design and produce your runway show and we can even fill in part of your casting with our models" so it's a complete solution that would perhaps be more streamlined, could be cheaper, etc. So from this perspective, it allows the models more exposure to certain clients, seems like win-win to me.
Adriana is still following Cristian Carino, for whatever that means. But I find it difficult to believe that she would have more success without an agency. The only model I know without agencies (or who started agencies for themselves) are Coco Rocha and Kate Moss. Kate does fantastic, but she's at a different level, and Coco's bookings are pretty mediocre. I just don't understand why a model like her wouldn't shop around until they found an agency willing to hustle for her. Basically go around and say, who wants my business, book me a Vogue Paris cover then. I find it hard to believe she's taking that on herself. But just my two cents.
https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/caa-kcd-fashion-services-agency-joint-venture-1234748333/
30 minutes ago, Marsnoop said:So this is where I'm lost.
A modeling agency's job is supposed to be to book jobs for a model for which they receive some commission. For a new model, they do all the prep work (i.e. test shoots, assembling a portfolio, sending them to castings, etc.) but certainly for a model as big as Adriana (who clients would ask for directly) they don't need to get her name out there. I imagine at a regular modeling agency, the bookers are not hustling for these girls. They're devoting a lot more time and energy to the girls super in-demand right now (Bella, etc.) and new faces. I imagine the older girls get less attention and the bookers/agents take it kinda easy since those girls are more established. I think a modeling agency is beneficial in negotiating deals for model groups. Example, Vogue wants a cover with 5 models so an agency might package the group together and throw in faces they're trying to promote. But are you telling me that if Vogue Italia went to The Society and said, "we want to book Adriana," that The Society wouldn't check with Adriana and if she's available then just book it? I find it hard to believe that Adriana who is kinda reclusive is schmoozing and networking with the casting directors and hustling to promote herself. If it's true then power to her, but it seems a little beneath her for a model of her caliber which is why I'm assuming the agents/bookers are necessary.
Now the whole point of CAA is that they are supposedly charging less commission and exposing their fashion clients to a broader range of opportunities (i.e. industries the previous modeling agencies had no exposure to like television, etc.) Also the KCDxCAA joint venture was interesting because it basically allowed them to offer a complete range of services to a client. For example, they could go to Versace and say, "hey we will design and produce your runway show and we can even fill in part of your casting with our models" so it's a complete solution that would perhaps be more streamlined, could be cheaper, etc. So from this perspective, it allows the models more exposure to certain clients, seems like win-win to me.
Adriana is still following Cristian Carino, for whatever that means. But I find it difficult to believe that she would have more success without an agency. The only model I know without agencies (or who started agencies for themselves) are Coco Rocha and Kate Moss. Kate does fantastic, but she's at a different level, and Coco's bookings are pretty mediocre. I just don't understand why a model like her wouldn't shop around until they found an agency willing to hustle for her. Basically go around and say, who wants my business, book me a Vogue Paris cover then. I find it hard to believe she's taking that on herself. But just my two cents.
https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/caa-kcd-fashion-services-agency-joint-venture-1234748333/
Yup see that’s the thing, Adriana yes she’s an established model who knows a lot of people in the business. But Adriana doesn’t really have many friendships with people in the industry. She’s the type to show up to work and go home and never see any of those people again until she got another job with them or ran into them at an event. While other models are frankly kissing ass to get jobs. I don’t want to be negative because she did get decent work last year if she did do that on her own, but Adriana doesn’t seem to have it all figured out. I mean she just now made that new business email? Just now got rid of the society’s email and put hers? Not to mention the email sounds pretty unprofessional. Is it gonna be Limagroup40@gmail.com next year?
But like someone said, this is reversible. She could go back to an agency later. But Adriana has always seemed stubborn to the point where she would be having to book nothing for her to realize she needs an agency.
Im however not too certain she left CAA. She had just recently 2 posts ago said she was signed with CAA on a comment. And according to her caption, she’s been on her own since 2018. CAA she signed with in 2019. And I believe it was CAA pushing her to more events than usual last year (VMAs, movie premier, etc)
Completely agree with what you comment, @Marsnoop @lucyford. Adriana is not Irina Shayk, in the sense that Irina (for example) is always hanging out with designers, editors and other important people in the industry, and I LOVE Irina, she is an amazing model, but surely she wouldn't have so much success and so much work if it weren't because she knows how to win and keep the important contacts in the industry. Adriana's circle of friends is very small and highly concentrated in Miami, which is normal because she has lived in Miami for many years, but Miami isn't an important city in the fashion industry. Her friends from the gym aren't going to get her a Vogue cover. It's something that fans have always commented a lot about Adriana, that we miss seeing her surrounded by people from the industry, but that is a personal decision and I respect that she did not want to get involved beyond what is strictly necessary. Plus, she's the mother of two little girls, and if she's also working on launching her own makeup and skincare line, it might be too much work for her.
I am positive that Adriana is still affiliated with CAA as her agency. However, it could be for her business only (depending on the contract) . Maybe, for the last 2 years, since she has no agent, she has to deal with the client directly and herself alone.
And so, she has decided to just do it on her own completely. It could also be that CAA was not really there to support her modeling career when she signed with them (as for business only) so she didnt think of getting them to be her "modelling" agency.
By the way, if this is the case, she really has no team. So, our call out to Adriana's "team" for not telling her not post or say this, blah blah was nothing. Lol.
Now, im thinking if Adriana would level up her social medial skill. I still believe social media marketing/networking would definitely help her continue climb up with this social media era now.
1 hour ago, adamama said:By the way, if this is the case, she really has no team. So, our call out to Adriana's "team" for not telling her not post or say this, blah blah was nothing. Lol.
Andrea I believe is still her publicist. Notice how all last year when we didn’t know about Adriana’s status regarding an agency, Andrea was always there with her on shoots/events. I believe Andrea still works for her. Before covid happened, Andrea accompanied Adriana to Vanity Fair and her trip to Qatar with Dogpound
3 hours ago, borg said:Completely agree with what you comment, @Marsnoop @lucyford. Adriana is not Irina Shayk, in the sense that Irina (for example) is always hanging out with designers, editors and other important people in the industry, and I LOVE Irina, she is an amazing model, but surely she wouldn't have so much success and so much work if it weren't because she knows how to win and keep the important contacts in the industry. Adriana's circle of friends is very small and highly concentrated in Miami, which is normal because she has lived in Miami for many years, but Miami isn't an important city in the fashion industry. Her friends from the gym aren't going to get her a Vogue cover. It's something that fans have always commented a lot about Adriana, that we miss seeing her surrounded by people from the industry, but that is a personal decision and I respect that she did not want to get involved beyond what is strictly necessary. Plus, she's the mother of two little girls, and if she's also working on launching her own makeup and skincare line, it might be too much work for her.
Agree. If Adriana doesn’t want to sorround herself around people in the industry and live in Miami where no one important in fashion really is, great she can live as she pleases. But this only seeing people from the industry thing expect while working/events, is not going to work to get her jobs. And now that you mention her working on her own line, I agree it could be too much work for her managing everything.
21 hours ago, lucyford said:Prob not if it’s true she’s been doing this since 2018. Andrea was the one accompanying her to most things since Chris stopped.
To be honest i didn’t even understand what she meant by not having an agent/agency since 2018. We all saw Chris with her in 2019 March at Daily Front Row awards. But anyway i’m not gonna focus on that,
My only concern is how she manage her PR.
Do we know did she signed contract with Full Picture?, i mean PR Agencies usually don’t work with contract system but if she was under contract, this explain why she waited until yesterday to announce. Maybe her contract recently ended and she waited to be totally free to share her business info.
50 minutes ago, laeteita said:To be honest i didn’t even understand what she meant by not having an agent/agency since 2018. We all saw Chris with her in 2019 March at Daily Front Row awards. But anyway i’m not gonna focus on that,
My only concern is how she manage her PR.
Do we know did she signed contract with Full Picture, i mean PR Agencies usually don’t work with contract system but if she was under contract, this explain why she waited until yesterday to announce. Maybe her contract recently ended and she waited to be totally free share business info.
Well if she doesn’t even have a PR team anymore then that’s completely a wrong move. Adriana clearly has a lot to learn still about promoting herself when she can’t even figure social media. All during quarantine, Adriana looked like she kept trying to cancel herself.