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It says last 48 hours to show and i see Barbara??? in Adriana's outfit. Is that last minute change? Somehow they tagged Adriana in the post.
I doubt that's 48 hours before the show because you can see the girls signing the wings and we know they did that before because by 11th October we already had a picture of the signed wings 
it's more likely from a week or so before the show, Imaan also has a different outfit. Also that's not Barbara in Adriana's outfit, I think it's Anthi.
I can't believe we got ANOTHER vogue video!! And the video already has 113K views. It's def gonna reach 1 million videos fast. Adriana is KILLING IT and everyone is enjoying it. Adriana is on yet another victory lap/run in her career and I am happy to see establishments taking advantage of the fact that people still care and love Adriana. Especially young girls. Amazing. Glad to see her popularity and iconic status actually being taken advantage of, Adriana can continue to go a long ways with her name
So when will the American Vogue cover for Adriana? It's unbelievable Adriana even didn't have one cover for Vogue US. I know Anna doesn't like Victoria's secret and Adriana, but it's so unfairly personal.
41 minutes ago, XSS said:So when will the American Vogue cover for Adriana? It's unbelievable Adriana even didn't have one cover for Vogue US. I know Anna doesn't like Victoria's secret and Adriana, but it's so unfairly personal.
I really hope it comes one day
I do think Anna is racist and prefers nonexotic and fully white models to cover vogue given her history. I wouldn't say she disliked Adriana specifically because Vogue US have given Adriana many videos to work with. Also, Ana herself gave Adriana a dress to wear to the met when Adriana was still with VS and she had Adriana do a video for Vogue. Also, Adriana has a good amount of Vogue US editorials under her belt, more than alot of her peers. Like I don't think Alessandra or Irina has been in Vogue US as many times as Adriana. Its just Adriana never gets the damn cover. She gets alot of the other work for Vogue US though (editorials and videos). So I wouldn't say its personal to Adriana and that Anna didn't like her. But Ana is just way more selective with covers and I do think she prefers blondes and stuff for the cover. Because its not just Adriana who lacks the cover. Irina, who looks like Adriana, also never been on the cover and doesn't have as many editorials as Adriana either. Anna let Gigi hadid on the cover mulitple times before letting Bella, the darker haired who looked more exotic, on the cover. Alessandra never been on the cover and has been featured for Vogue US less than Adriana. I think Ana has an aversion to models with real exotic flare to them. I have never seen a model that looked like Adriana on that cover, and Adriana herself is considered lucky to have worked with Vogue US/Ana as many times as she did compared to some others
Maybe one day but I also think Adriana would need to have something to promote as well. Because when Bella hadid finally got it, it seemed like she was on there more so as a celebrity because she did a whole interview and stuff. But on a positive note atleast, Adriana def is still very marketable and popular so, she still has a chance to somehow make it happen. She def has some more years left in her to complete her fashion/career goals
As for me, Vogue Us has lost its class in fashion so many years. The choices for cover star are more and more personal, political, and racism. Considering Adriana is not advantageous in above topics, I hardly see any possibility for her to be on the cover. Personally, I wish she could get new covers for Vogue Italy or France.
Vogue US cover is def more of a celeb kind of cover than a model cover. Anybody who is on it, including dark haired exotic models. Usually are on it because of personal and promotional reasons, not because they are simply modeling. But I still hope some day Adriana can get that cover
When you look at the list of models with the most Vogue covers, including those of Vogue US, it's easy to understand why Adriana or Alessandra have never been on it. It is definitely not because of racism, nor has Candice ever appeared in Vogue US despite being a very conventional white, blonde, blue-eyed woman. Vogue, not only in the US edition, has never really liked models who made their careers linked to VS. I've always thought that this has limited Adriana's career quite a bit, as well as Alessandra's or Candice's, in terms of what they could have achieved (even more, I mean, they've had great careers). But hey, they were aware of it and the contract with VS definitely compensated them very well financially for it.
In the case of Vogue US, there is also the fact that it has never been just an exclusive cover for models, but for a host of celebrities such as singers, actresses and athletes.
20 minutes ago, borg said:When you look at the list of models with the most Vogue covers, including those of Vogue US, it's easy to understand why Adriana or Alessandra have never been on it. It is definitely not because of racism, nor has Candice ever appeared in Vogue US despite being a very conventional white, blonde, blue-eyed woman. Vogue, not only in the US edition, has never really liked models who made their careers linked to VS. I've always thought that this has limited Adriana's career quite a bit, as well as Alessandra's or Candice's, in terms of what they could have achieved (even more, I mean, they've had great careers). But hey, they were aware of it and the contract with VS definitely compensated them very well financially for it.
In the case of Vogue US, there is also the fact that it has never been just an exclusive cover for models, but for a host of celebrities such as singers, actresses and athletes.
Irina never had a VS career and tbh she's been doing very well and she has had even less Vogue US work than Adriana. They resemble each other by the way.
Plus, everyone knows Ana is indeed prejudice/racist. She's been accused of it several times. I wouldn't dismiss it that is. That woman has a racial bias
Gisele, Doutzen, Karen Mulder, and Karolina all VS angels, all blonde and blue eyed, all have a Vogue US covers. At one point Karolina was a huge deal for VS too. Still got the cover. And its even more annoying because Adriana's career and popularity has lasted longer.
As I said, I never seen a model that looked like Adriana specifically on that cover. Not even Irina.
We all agreed that Vogue US also seem to be a cover for celebs and promoting things outside of modeling
30 minutes ago, Souled-Out said:Irina never had a VS career and tbh she's been doing very well and she has had even less Vogue US work than Adriana. They resemble each other by the way.
Plus, everyone knows Ana is indeed prejudice/racist. She's been accused of it several times. I wouldn't dismiss it that is. That woman has a racial bias
Gisele, Doutzen, Karen Mulder, and Karolina all VS angels, all blonde and blue eyed, all have a Vogue US covers. At one point Karolina was a huge deal for VS too. Still got the cover. And its even more annoying because Adriana's career and popularity has lasted longer.
As I said, I never seen a model that looked like Adriana specifically on that cover. Not even Irina.
We all agreed that Vogue US also seem to be a cover for celebs and promoting things outside of modeling
Yes, Irina hasn't had a Vogue US cover, but despite being 5 years younger than them, she has more Vogue covers than Adriana and Alessandra combined. And she's even a good example, Irina didn't start having real success in Vogue until she left Sports Illustrated. Vogue people don't like SI, they don't like VS, they consider it cheap. There are some exceptions, but they are very, very rare and always more towards this high fashion type of model. I feel like Adriana (or Candice) has always been seen as too sexy for Vogue.
In any case, I don't think Adriana has been the victim of racist prejudice, at all. She is white, she has some exotic features, but she is white, latina. But in Vogue US you have had Rihanna, and there is no one more exotic than her. Or Joan Smalls, a latina supermodel. Or Penelope Cruz, who has several covers despite being a dark-eyed, brunette latina. Maybe many years ago there was a certain prejudice, but towards African or Asian models, Adriana's beauty has always been widely accepted. It was the beauty of models like Adwoa Aboah, Adut Akech or Liu Wen who had the hardest time until they were accepted because their beauty is not as conventional as Adriana's.
1 hour ago, borg said:Yes, Irina hasn't had a Vogue US cover, but despite being 5 years younger than them, she has more Vogue covers than Adriana and Alessandra combined. And she's even a good example, Irina didn't start having real success in Vogue until she left Sports Illustrated. Vogue people don't like SI, they don't like VS, they consider it cheap. There are some exceptions, but they are very, very rare and always more towards this high fashion type of model. I feel like Adriana (or Candice) has always been seen as too sexy for Vogue.
In any case, I don't think Adriana has been the victim of racist prejudice, at all. She is white, she has some exotic features, but she is white, latina. But in Vogue US you have had Rihanna, and there is no one more exotic than her. Or Joan Smalls, a latina supermodel. Or Penelope Cruz, who has several covers despite being a dark-eyed, brunette latina. Maybe many years ago there was a certain prejudice, but towards African or Asian models, Adriana's beauty has always been widely accepted. It was the beauty of models like Adwoa Aboah, Adut Akech or Liu Wen who had the hardest time until they were accepted because their beauty is not as conventional as Adriana's.
And Adriana and Alessandra left VS years ago. Especially Alessandra, she didn't return until this year. Still nothing. We are talking about Vogue US, not vogue in general. because Ana isn't the director of all the Vogues. I didn't say every Vogue was prejudice and racial. I said the head of Vogue US specifically is, and even with all of Irina's vogue covers, she still has very little Vogue US work. We are talking about Vogue US and Ana
Adriana is mixed and MOST DEF been stamped as "exotic" as a model. Now you're re-writing history. You may personally view Adriana as white. She never viewed herself as white. She never called herself white. When people mention her race/ethnicity, they don't call her white because Adriana never called herself that. And she isn't, she's def mixed, how she looks to YOU is different. But lets not pretend like Adriana was not called exotic by the fashion industry itself for years. Lets not pretend like when she was younger, Adriana wasn't being asked her ethnicity and asked what was she mixed with by people in this very industry. She was asked, multiple times even backstage at high fashion shows. Why would they ask her that if they viewed her as a white woman? They don't ask people who aren't racially ambiguous looking, that. A white latina is Gisele, that is a white latina. Adriana doesn't look a thing like her first of all. They obviously have very different looks. And most importantly, I don't recall Gisele being asked what she was mixed with like Adriana was or her ethnicity being a focal point, like it was for Adriana. There is a reason for that. And yes we do see those real white latinas more everywhere . Adriana does not look like that, and she especially didn't when she was younger and there was a reason why her ethnicity was a focal point in her career. All the other white latina models, their ethnicity was never a highlight in their career. But it is for Adriana and other nonwhite/mixed models. We can't pretend like the fashion industry wasn't deeming Adriana "exotic" left and right, they clearly did. Especially when she was younger. Rihanna is Rihanna, she is not a model but an entertainer and superstar you can't ignore because of her impact as a singer and business woman. She's a superstar. That goes for ANY none model, including penelope, idk why you used them as examples when they aren't models. Joan is Like Naomi. They are called tokens. They have to choose just enough nonwhite/black models so they don't get called out but its never that many. Lets not act like we don't know what that is. And as I said, for Vogue US specifically, I am not seeing MODELS like Adriana on those covers often. Not even Irina. Adriana literally liked a post that pointed out Ana being a freaking racist at Vogue a few years ago. I am sure she knows more than you and had a reason for doing that
If you want to use Gisele, Karolina, Doutzen, and Karen having a lot Vogue US covers to persuade me, I don't think it is a powerful stand.
Listing Gisele's Vogue covers, you would find that she gradually lost her popularity in Vogue during her VS years. Obviously many fashion heads were happy for Gisele’s decision leaving VS in 2007. Even Anna gave her a Vogue cover in 2008 to reward her.
Anna used to call Karolina 'the possible next supper model' and gave her an important cover. But since KK went to VS, Anna no longer mentioned her in public and no more Vogue US covers. Same as Doutzen. I don't know too much about Karen. But I believe there are some things similar to it.
Just admit it, the Vogue US and Anna dislike VS and their models.
4 hours ago, Souled-Out said:
And Adriana and Alessandra left VS years ago. Especially Alessandra, she didn't return until this year. Still nothing. We are talking about Vogue US, not vogue in general. because Ana isn't the director of all the Vogues. I didn't say every Vogue was prejudice and racial. I said the head of Vogue US specifically is, and even with all of Irina's vogue covers, she still has very little Vogue US work. We are talking about Vogue US and Ana
Adriana is mixed and MOST DEF been stamped as "exotic" as a model. Now you're re-writing history. You may personally view Adriana as white. She never viewed herself as white. She never called herself white. When people mention her race/ethnicity, they don't call her white because Adriana never called herself that. And she isn't, she's def mixed, how she looks to YOU is different. But lets not pretend like Adriana was not called exotic by the fashion industry itself for years. Lets not pretend like when she was younger, Adriana wasn't being asked her ethnicity and asked what was she mixed with by people in this very industry. She was asked, multiple times even backstage at high fashion shows. Why would they ask her that if they viewed her as a white woman? They don't ask people who aren't racially ambiguous looking, that. A white latina is Gisele, that is a white latina. Adriana doesn't look a thing like her first of all. They obviously have very different looks. And most importantly, I don't recall Gisele being asked what she was mixed with like Adriana was or her ethnicity being a focal point, like it was for Adriana. There is a reason for that. And yes we do see those real white latinas more everywhere . Adriana does not look like that, and she especially didn't when she was younger and there was a reason why her ethnicity was a focal point in her career. All the other white latina models, their ethnicity was never a highlight in their career. But it is for Adriana and other nonwhite/mixed models. We can't pretend like the fashion industry wasn't deeming Adriana "exotic" left and right, they clearly did. Especially when she was younger. Rihanna is Rihanna, she is not a model but an entertainer and superstar you can't ignore because of her impact as a singer and business woman. She's a superstar. That goes for ANY none model, including penelope, idk why you used them as examples when they aren't models. Joan is Like Naomi. They are called tokens. They have to choose just enough nonwhite/black models so they don't get called out but its never that many. Lets not act like we don't know what that is. And as I said, for Vogue US specifically, I am not seeing MODELS like Adriana on those covers often. Not even Irina. Adriana literally liked a post that pointed out Ana being a freaking racist at Vogue a few years ago. I am sure she knows more than you and had a reason for doing that
Of all the things I thought could be controversial, I never imagined that calling this woman white would be one of them. I'm not even going to argue with that, I'm too sick of all these discussions about ethnicities and perceptions of each.
Adriana was always called exotic in a good way, her beauty has always been accepted and celebrated worldwide since practically the first day of her career. Talking about Adriana as a victim of racism is disrespectful to models who have actually suffered racism, not because they haven't been given a Vogue US cover. If you don't see models like Adriana on Vogue US covers, it's because not every model gets that cover and there certainly aren't many women who look like Adriana because she is an extraordinary beauty.
1 hour ago, XSS said:If you want to use Gisele, Karolina, Doutzen, and Karen having a lot Vogue US covers to persuade me, I don't think it is a powerful stand.
Listing Gisele's Vogue covers, you would find that she gradually lost her popularity in Vogue during her VS years. Obviously many fashion heads were happy for Gisele’s decision leaving VS in 2007. Even Anna gave her a Vogue cover in 2008 to reward her.
Anna used to call Karolina 'the possible next supper model' and gave her an important cover. But since KK went to VS, Anna no longer mentioned her in public and no more Vogue US covers. Same as Doutzen. I don't know too much about Karen. But I believe there are some things similar to it.
Just admit it, the Vogue US and Anna dislike VS and their models.
And not even only Vogue US and Anna, other major editions like the UK, Italian and French ones don't like them either. They don't like VS (or SI) models, they have always preferred the more "elegant" image of the haute couture catwalk models to those of VS and I'm not even defending this at all, but it's obvious that this has always been Vogue's preferences, even though each edition has its own editor, they are obviously influenced by the image that the Vogue concept is supposed to sell. You only have to look at the list of models who have appeared on their covers, despite being much less popular than VS icons like Adriana, Alessandra or Candice.
On 6/8/2020 at 10:42 PM, lucyford said:I saved it cause I had a feeling she’d delete it. She deleted this story that was necessary. Maybe she got scared she’d not only NOT get a Vogue US cover but no more editorials, Vogue videos , or Met Gala.
This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.
There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.
5 hours ago, laeteita said:This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.
There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.
Thank you.
As I said, Adriana knows more than we do. Nobody else can tell her what she has seen or experienced. Or the other people who have said some of the same things about the same person/institution. Like I said, adriana's ethnicity literally being some "highlight" in her career was telling of how she was being viewed by that industry sometimes
Yeah I Adriana has definitely been filed under "exotic" her entire career. Is she white passing? Yes, she is. But she's definitely been stereotyped which makes it harder to break into HF and get taken seriously by the industry, for Adriana VS was the best thing because it made her household name which then lead to a more successful career.
Irina was on the same boat, the only difference is that Irina started dating a very famous man and that elevated her profile, otherwise I'm pretty sure she would not be where she is right now.
8 hours ago, laeteita said:This was her story, she deleted it in minues tho. The discussion was about Racism in fashion then.
There is also an interview that Adriana implied she faced racism during her career. In 2016/2018 while instagram let us to see what posts others like, i noticed Adriana frequently liked posts that complains about racism in fahion industry.
If we are now to believe that Adriana was also a curvy model at some point in her career... I love Adriana, she's my favorite model ever, but that doesn't mean I have to buy everything she says as if she were a divine being. She has had, like almost all models because that's how the industry works, quite a few moments of being a bit hypocritical.
5 minutes ago, borg said:If we are now to believe that Adriana was also a curvy model at some point in her career... I love Adriana, she's my favorite model ever, but that doesn't mean I have to buy everything she says as if she were a divine being. She has had, like almost all models because that's how the industry works, quite a few moments of being a bit hypocritical.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adriana was by all standards a curvy model back when she started in the late 90s-00s. Gisele literally built her entire career on being "the Brazilian bombshell" with the curves, defying the standard of the "heroine chic" that had taken the fashion industry by storm with Kate Moss, and once Gisele opened the doors then the Brazilian bombshell trend started from which Adriana, Alessandra, Ana Beatriz, Isabeli and many others profited from and were able to build a high fashion career while also being commercially successful. Before that you were either a high fashion model or you were a commercial model.
Is she what would be considered curvy now? Absolutely not, but back in the day she most definitely was considered curvacious/bigger than the average model, the "I'm not a typical size 0 model, I have boobs and a butt!" was a massive selling point for Adriana's career and commercial success but it also put a dent on her high fashion career. It's insane that that was the standard, but let's not rewrite history, that's exactly how it was, if you watch the old VSFS they even discuss how their models are "diverse" and "curvy"
29 minutes ago, Clauds said:
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adriana was by all standards a curvy model back when she started in the late 90s-00s. Gisele literally built her entire career on being "the Brazilian bombshell" with the curves, defying the standard of the "heroine chic" that had taken the fashion industry by storm with Kate Moss, and once Gisele opened the doors then the Brazilian bombshell trend started from which Adriana, Alessandra, Ana Beatriz, Isabeli and many others profited from and were able to build a high fashion career while also being commercially successful. Before that you were either a high fashion model or you were a commercial model.
Is she what would be considered curvy now? Absolutely not, but back in the day she most definitely was considered curvacious/bigger than the average model, the "I'm not a typical size 0 model, I have boobs and a butt!" was a massive selling point for Adriana's career and commercial success but it also put a dent on her high fashion career. It's insane that that was the standard, but let's not rewrite history, that's exactly how it was, if you watch the old VSFS they even discuss how their models are "diverse" and "curvy"
Maybe you're right, but I don't know how Adriana's body, especially in her early years when she was very thin, could be considered more voluptuous and curvy than those of Laetitia, Tyra, Heidi or Eva Herzigova just to name a few of some of the most iconic models of that era.
