What do you first notice when you see a man?

lol, if you are looking just to get laid, lower your standards.

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Their loss.. and I can not see you as one to have to give out charity when it comes to .. uummm.. romance..

I kind of agree with russel.. you might need to lower your expectations a bit if this is all about gettting laid.

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Perhaps these tips would be helpful :

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...g-to-women.html

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...active-guy.html

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Perhaps these tips would be helpful :

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...g-to-women.html

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...active-guy.html

I know how to start a conversation with a woman. It's just keeping her attention for long enough for it to lead anywhere that is a problem.

And in terms of making myself appear more attractive, I think I'm sort of stuck with the hand I'm holding right now.

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Their loss.. and I can not see you as one to have to give out charity when it comes to .. uummm.. romance..

I kind of agree with russel.. you might need to lower your expectations a bit if this is all about gettting laid.

Who said anything about getting laid!

And what does lower your standards even mean? Are you telling me that some people consciously approach people they are not in the least bit attracted to?

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Perhaps these tips would be helpful :

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...g-to-women.html

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10...active-guy.html

I know how to start a conversation with a woman. It's just keeping her attention for long enough for it to lead anywhere that is a problem.

And in terms of making myself appear more attractive, I think I'm sort of stuck with the hand I'm holding right now.

Just so we are clear, I wasn't trying to insult you or anything

Perhaps don't try to anticipate it getting anywhere. Don't try to impress. Just be. Talk to her like she is just a regular person---not someone you want to sleep with or are hoping to start a romantic relationship with. It is when try too hard and we anticipate or put "rules" into stuff like this do we mess it up. So just be yourself, go with the flow, be patient and see where it takes you. Just don't try

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Their loss.. and I can not see you as one to have to give out charity when it comes to .. uummm.. romance..

I kind of agree with russel.. you might need to lower your expectations a bit if this is all about gettting laid.

Who said anything about getting laid!

And what does lower your standards even mean? Are you telling me that some people consciously approach people they are not in the least bit attracted to?

If you re-read the original post you would notice the word "if" No one is saying that is all you are after.

Lowering your standards means being realistic. Like really honestly thinking about what are your standards and are they realistic. For example, if you look like Swamp Thing or you are as big as an Orca (which you are neither!) don't expect to get with a hot & thin Supermodel. Chances are very slim.

But that is not to say you have to lower your standards if that is not what you want

Pinks, you know very well I'd never be insulted by anything you tell me.

I tried the don't try approach for the longest of times and it didn't get me anywhere... So I guess that's where the newfound "urgency" comes from.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure there's not a "right" approach, it just comes down to having the luck of meeting the right person.

Lowering your standards means being realistic. Like really honestly thinking about what are your standards and are they realistic. For example, if you look like Swamp Thing or you are as big as an Orca (which you are not either!) don't expect to get with a hot & thin Supermodel.

Well, I can assure you that I'm well aware of what "league" I'm in.

I'm not approaching women who are out of my league, just those that attract my attention for one reason or another.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure there's not a "right" approach, it just comes down to having the luck of meeting the right person.

Have to agree, it depends on luck. Not only did I meet the right person when i wasn't looking. I also met her in one of the least expected ways.

With that said, I must admit that I have never been a fan of "lets go to a bar and hit on girls" approach. But then again, I have never been "actively looking". I think the problem with that approach is that not everybody there is looking for a relationship, and once you start a conversation with them, they think "Ok, here we go again" and it fails. Why not try online dating? Both you and the people there are after the same thing, you can get to somewhat know the person before you meet them face to face, so it will be easier to have a conversation.

Well, I can assure you that I'm well aware of what "league" I'm in.

I'm not approaching women who are out of my league, just those that attract my attention for one reason or another.

What does that even mean? Thankfully, I've never known anyone in person who's made the out of your league comment. I assume it refers to looks, but just to be sure, what does it mean?

Honestly, I'm pretty sure there's not a "right" approach, it just comes down to having the luck of meeting the right person.

Have to agree, it depends on luck. Not only did I meet the right person when i wasn't looking. I also met her in one of the least expected ways.

With that said, I must admit that I have never been a fan of "lets go to a bar and hit on girls" approach. But then again, I have never been "actively looking". I think the problem with that approach is that not everybody there is looking for a relationship, and once you start a conversation with them, they think "Ok, here we go again" and it fails. Why not try online dating? Both you and the people there are after the same thing, you can get to somewhat know the person before you meet them face to face, so it will be easier to have a conversation.

^ What he said

I was also thinking you could ask your female pals to give some constructive feedback and advice. They are the ones who would know you much better than any of us would and they have "seen you in action." They might have some useful insight

What does that even mean? Thankfully, I've never known anyone in person who's made the out of your league comment. I assume it refers to looks, but just to be sure, what does it mean?

You do make a good point. It is subjective

And it is possible to end up w/ someone "out of your league." I am dating someone out of my league

I went 0 for 4 from the field last night and no ref around to get me to the charity stripe. :|

Their loss.. and I can not see you as one to have to give out charity when it comes to .. uummm.. romance..

I kind of agree with russel.. you might need to lower your expectations a bit if this is all about gettting laid.

Who said anything about getting laid!

And what does lower your standards even mean? Are you telling me that some people consciously approach people they are not in the least bit attracted to?

NO NO.. I am sure there is very specific reasons one person approaches another with some attraction of a kind or another. Just sometimes.. what attracts them is not as compatible as one might think. The things that attract you to these women may be very much in your league and what you might like in someone but perhaps not compatible when you can not be yourself to attract them in return. But then, if your intentions are to have sex and have a fling of fun.. gettting them to be attracted to you for just those moments is all that is needed so then it is all about approach.

And since you mentioned charity, I guess there is a time when some might approach someone they are not attracted to. It may not be a preferable approach for romance but perhaps better to find a friendship or an interesting conversation. i would say more about how this can work in your favor but it gets a little personal and might offend someone.

His throbbing penis.

Tehehe, but you're a boy. A heterosexual boy. What a thing to say! BABY!!!

already replyed you should visit naturist camps!

or do you know "la rue des branleurs" (the wankers street) in paris ? there are so many pervers... usually, they block you car in the street, they have masturbation in front of you and cum on your car :yuckky: :x

perfect in you drive a convertible... <_<

i complained because of the guy who made a striptease on my car when i was on the Champs Elysées but this street is really worst

trust me, even if you are an heterosexual man, the first thing that you notice is their penis!

OH GOD!

BABY!!!

I MUST SAVE YOU FROM THE SORDID STREETS OF PARIS!

ahah, i will spend 3 weeks in my other apartment in the south of france.

i will be safe for a moment but my parents' house is not far from my home. i will be harassed everyday XD

i think a guy wanted to rent my apartement in paris because he wanted to make a porno movie... this is a bit disgusting so i refused. finaly someone else will rent my apartement. i will win 3000 euros for 3 weeks that's a good thing because i need to change the mirrors on the wall of my living room and i need to buy new furnitures, they are a bit old.

but i'm happy because today i discover that i didn't pay my electrecity in my apartment in paris, the meter is blocked since few weeks

i never meet so many pervers and psychopaths than in the south of france! this place is freaky! there are 4 years ago a guy tried to rape me in a nightclub. boys here aren't very "galants"

ahah, i will spend 3 weeks in my other apartment in the south of france.

i will be safe for a moment but my parents' house is not far from my home. i will be harassed everyday XD

i think a guy wanted to rent my apartement in paris because he wanted to make a porno movie... this is a bit disgusting so i refused. finaly someone else will rent my apartement. i will win 3000 euros for 3 weeks that's a good thing because i need to change the mirrors on the wall of my living room and i need to buy new furnitures, they are a bit old.

but i'm happy because today i discover that i didn't pay my electrecity in my apartment in paris, the meter is blocked since few weeks

i never meet so many pervers and psychopaths than in the south of france! this place is freaky! there are 4 years ago a guy tried to rape me in a nightclub. boys here aren't very "galants"

If it's just to watch, then I notice the arms and butt