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I think most fans question UFC rules also. I'm not sure why that is unless they can't keep going or someone in their corner wants the fight stopped.

Oh, well I guess that makes sens . I can see why most don't get the rules though. Its probably boils down to them not really having the structure of regular sports.

I'll PM you Jennka with photos. They are gaining weight but they still have to be in the hospital for a few more days. Then we'll have their photos taken

Great, I´m so excited for you

If a Republican becomes president I will leave this country!

Written by Soraya Chemaly:

10 Reasons the Rest of the World Thinks the U.S. Is Nuts

This week the Georgia State Legislature debated a bill in the House, that would make it necessary for some women to carry stillborn or dying fetuses until they 'naturally' go into labor. In arguing for this bill Representative Terry England described his empathy for pregnant cows and pigs in the same situation.

I have a question for Terry England, Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and too many others: I have three daughters, two of them twins. If one of my twins had been stillborn would you have made me carry her to term, thereby endangering both the other twin and me? Or, would you have insisted that the state order a mandatory fetal extraction of the living twin fetus from my womb so that I could continue to carry the stillborn one to term and possibly die myself? My family is curious and since you believe my uterus is your public property, I am, too.

Mr. England, unlike the calves and pigs for which you expressed so much empathy, I am not a beast of burden. I am a woman and I have these human rights:

The right to life.

The right to privacy.

The right to freedom.

The right to bodily integrity.

The right to decide when and how I reproduce.

Mr. England, you and your friends do not get to trade these rights, while "dog and hog hunting," in return for a young man's chickens.

My human rights outweigh any you or the state corruptly and cynically seek to assign to a mass of dividing cells that will eventually turn into a 'natural' person. Personhood-for-zygote based bills and related legislation, like Georgia's and hundreds of others, bills and laws that criminalize pregnancy and abortion and penalize women for being women, violate my human rights.

Just because you cannot get pregnant does not mean I cannot think clearly, ethically, morally, rationally about my body, human life or the consequences of my actions. Just because you cannot get pregnant does not mean that I do not have rights when I am pregnant. I have responsibility but am powerless. You have power but are irresponsible with my rights.

By not trusting me, you force me to trust you. And YOU are not trustworthy.

I gestate humans, you do not. I know how it feels to be pregnant. You do not. I know what happens to a fetus in a womb. You do not. I have carried three fetuses to term. You have not. What I experience when I am pregnant is not empathy. It is permeability. The fetus is me. And the state is you, apparently. But, no matter what you say or do I have fundamental human rights. What makes you think that you, who cannot have this fully human experience, can tell me anything about gestation or how I experience it? Especially when you compare my existence and experience to that of brutish animals.

The rest of the civilized world thinks this country has lost its mind. It's no wonder. Look at this list of frenzied misogyny:

1. Making women carry still-born fetuses to full term because cows and pigs do. This week, Mr England, you supported a bill, the net effect of which, taken tandem with other restrictions, will result in doctors and women being unable to make private, medically-based, critical care decisions and some women being effectively forced to carry their dead or dying fetuses. Women are different from farm animals, Mr. England, and this bill, requiring a woman to carry a dead or dying fetus is inhumane and unethical. By forcing a woman to do this, you are violating her right not to be subjected to inhuman treatment and tortured. And, yes, involuntarily carrying a dead fetus to term, although not torture to you or to a pig, is torture for a woman. It is also a violation of her bodily integrity and a threat to her life and as such violates her right to life.

2. Consigning women to death to save a fetus. Abortions save women's lives. "Let women die" bills are happening all over the country. There is no simple or pretty way to put this. Every day, all over the world, women die because they do not have access to safe abortions. Yet, here we are, returning to the dark ages of maternal sacrifice. Do really have to type this sentence: this is a violation of women's fundamental right to life.

3. Criminalizing pregnancy and miscarriages and arresting, imprisoning and charging women who miscarry with murder, like Rennie Gibbs in Mississippi or at least 40 other similar cases in Alabama or like Bei Bei Shuai, a woman who is now imprisoned, is charged with murder after trying to commit suicide while pregnant. Pregnant women are becoming a special class subject to "special" laws that infringe on their fundamental rights.

4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with eleven other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken with out a woman's consent are rape according the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state.

5. Disabling women or sacrificing their lives by either withholding medical treatment or forcing women to undergo involuntary medical procedures. We impose an unequal obligation on women to sacrifice their bodily integrity for another. For example, as in Tysiac v. Poland, in which a mother of two, became blind after her doctor refused to perform an abortion that she wanted that would have halted the course of a degenerative eye disease. If my newborn baby is in need of a kidney and you have a spare matching one, can I enact legislation that says the state can take yours and give it to her? No. We do not force people to donate their organs to benefit others, even those who have already been born. One of the most fundamental of all human rights is that humans be treated equally before the law. Denying a woman this right is a violation of her equal right to this protection.

6. Giving zygotes "personhood" rights while systematically stripping women of their fundamental rights. There is too much to say about the danger of personhood ideas creeping into health policy to do it here. But, consider what happens to a woman whose womb is not considered the "best" environment for a gestating fetus in a world of personhood-for-zygote legislation: who decides the best environment -- the state, her insurance company, her employer, her rapist who decides he really, really wants to be a father? Anyone but a woman.

7. Inhibiting, humiliating and punishing women for their choices to have an abortion for any reason by levying taxes specifically on abortion, including abortions sought by rape victims to end their involuntary insemination, imposing restrictive requirements like 24 hour wait periods and empowering doctors to lie to female patients about their fetuses in order to avoid prosecution. In Arizona, Kansas, Texas, Virginia, Colorado, Arkansas and other states around the country bills that make women "pay" for their choices are abounding.

8. Allowing employers to delve into women's private lives and only pay for insurance when they agree, for religious reasons, with how she choses to use birth control. In Arizona, which introduced such a bill this week, this means covering payment for birth control as a benefit only when a woman has proven that she will not use it to control her own reproduction (ie. as birth control). As much as I am worried about women and families in Arizona though, I am more worried about those in Alabama. You see, as recently revealed in a public policy poll in Alabama, conservative, evangelicals who support "personhood" related "pro-life" legislation and are fighting for their "religious liberty" -- 21 percent think interracial marriage should be illegal. So, what if they decide that an employee involved in an interracial marriage should not, by divine mandate, reproduce? Do they switch and provide birth control for this employee? Do they make contraception a necessary term of employment for people in interracial marriages? This violates a woman's right to privacy. My womb is one million times more private than your bedrooms, gentlemen.

9. Sacrificing women's overall health and the well-being of their families in order to stop them from exercising their fundamental human right to control their own bodies and reproduction. Texas just did that when it turned down $35million dollars in federal funds thereby ensuring that 300,000 low-income and uninsured Texas women will have no or greatly-reduced access to basic preventive and reproductive health care.

10. Depriving women of their ability to earn a living and support themselves and their families. Bills, like this one in Arizona, allow employers to fire women for using contraception. Women like these are being fired for not.

You presume to consign my daughters and yours to function as reproductive animals.

This is about sex and property, not life and morality. Sex because when women have sex and want to control their reproduction that threatens powerful social structures that rely on patriarchal access to and control over women as reproductive engines. Which brings us to property: control of reproduction was vital when the agricultural revolution took place and we, as a species, stopped meandering around plains in search of food. Reproduction and control of it ensured that a man could possess and consolidate wealth-building and food-producing land and then make sure it wasn't disaggregated by passing it on to one son he knew was his -- largely by claiming a woman and her gestation capability as property, too.

This is not about freedom of religion. If it were, we would, for example, allow Christian Scientists to refuse to pay for coverage of life-saving blood transfusions for employees. Religious freedom means I get to chose whether or not to be religious and if so, how. It does not mean that I get to impose my religion on others. Paying for insurance is part of the way we compensate employees, even when they use their insurance in ways we don't agree with and are in contravention of our own personal beliefs. I think that it is stupid, dangerous and immoral to chain smoke, especially around children whose lungs it irreparably harms. But, I still have to pay for an employee to have access to lung scans, nicotine patches and oxygen tanks. I do not get to say that my religious beliefs, which include keeping bodies as healthy as possible, make it possible for me to withhold payment of this employee's insurance. Guaranteed coverage of contraception and reproductive health care has overwhelming benefits for society, including reducing unwanted pregnancies and abortions. By inserting your religious beliefs so egregiously into government legislation and my life, you are imposing your religious beliefs on me. You don't like mandated insurance coverage for basic reproductive health humans with two X chromosomes? I don't like being bred by state compulsion like Mr. England's farm animals. I have a MORAL OBJECTION to being treated like an animal and not a human. You do not have to use contraception, you do not have to use birth control. But, that does not mean you have any right to tell me that I cannot if I chose. That is my right.

Property, control, sex, reproduction, morality, defining what is human. Sounds a lot like issues surrounding slavery 170 years ago. It is no surprise that of the 16 states that never repealed their anti-miscegenation laws, but rather had them overturned by the Supreme Court in 1967 more than half have introduced personhood bills. Like anti-miscegentation laws, anti-choice laws and bills that humiliate women, that treat them like beasts, that violate their bodily autonomy, are based on ignorance, entitlement and arrogance. These laws are not about "personhood" but "humanity." That women of color are massively, disproportionately affected by these assaults on their bodies and rights should also come as no surprise - their rights and their bodies have always been the most vulnerable assault.

This is about keeping women's wombs public and in other people's control -- the exact opposite of private and in their own control.

And, yes, I do know how complicated the ethics, bioethics and legal arguments related to these decisions are. You, apparently, do not. If you were truly concerned with sustaining life and improving its quality or in protecting innocent children, you would begin by having compassion and empathy for living, born people that require and deserve your attention. You feed them, educate them, lift them from poverty and misery. You do not compound these problems as you are with twisted interpretations of divine will. Only after that do you have the moral legitimacy to entertain the notion of talking to me about my uterus and what I do with it. By then, fully functional artificial wombs should be available and you can implant your own, since you are so fond of animal analogies, as was completed with this male mouse. What you are doing is disgraceful, hypocritical and morally corrupt.

And, no, I am not crazy. I am angry.

Mr. Santorum, Mr. England and Mr. Brownback and Mr. Perry you should consider not clinging so dangerously and perversely to the Agrarian Revolution ideas. Birth control and safe abortions are life-saving technologies. These archaic bills and laws, wasteful of time, money and lives, obscure an enduring and unchangeable truth: safe and effective family planning is the transformative social justice accomplishment of the 20th century. They will not go away. This is a revolution, too.

In a 1851 speech in which she argued for equal rights for women, Sojourner Truth said the following: "The poor men seems to be all in confusion, and don't know what to do. Why children, if you have woman's rights, give it to her and you will feel better. You will have your own rights, and they won't be so much trouble."

Do you, Terry England, Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum and friends even know who Sojourner Truth is?

This is a joke, right?

Hi mummy!

Ang! I want photos of my BZ god children!! :persuazn:

Hope you and the babies are well.

Congratulation for the babies sweety

I want pics too!

I think most fans question UFC rules also. I'm not sure why that is unless they can't keep going or someone in their corner wants the fight stopped.

Oh, well I guess that makes sens . I can see why most don't get the rules though. Its probably boils down to them not really having the structure of regular sports.

Exactly!!! I just hope it doesn't become like boxing.

This is a joke, right?

Hi mummy!

Hello love!!! Haven't seen you on here in forever!!

Ang! I want photos of my BZ god children!! :persuazn:

Hope you and the babies are well.

We are DC, thanks!! And I'll send pics when I get them taken!!

Congratulation for the babies sweety

I want pics too!

Thanks Kiki!!!

I'll send you pics too!

I've never visited your thread before, but you had twins, that is so cool. Congrats.

Boys,Girls, one of each,names??? Details.

Enjoy them while their little

Thanks mickiala!!

Boy and girl. Evan and Che are their names and they should be able to come home Monday. They were underweight so they had to stay in the hospital, but other then that they are healthy.

the name Evan for a girl :wub2: I'm guessing Che from one of your favorite movies.awww. I'm glad they'll be home monday, don't envy your sleep schedule though

They have been up on and off for the most of the day. But they are always hungry!!! And they aren't hungry at the same time either!

Nope. These are the Republicans who want to do away with women's rights in the USA.

They'll be going after our right to vote next. Just wait.

It sounds like out of this world I thought such stupid people just simply can´t exist. My mind still can´t work it out, really. I was talking about it with fl at the weekend and he too could not believe it... and right next came a message from radio about politics who want to forbid abortions - absolutely.

I´m just SO furious over such thing! They have no right to tell women what to do, damn hell!! It´s her life, her decision, her pain! How dare they decide over such thing!

Nope. These are the Republicans who want to do away with women's rights in the USA.

They'll be going after our right to vote next. Just wait.

It sounds like out of this world I thought such stupid people just simply can´t exist. My mind still can´t work it out, really. I was talking about it with fl at the weekend and he too could not believe it... and right next came a message from radio about politics who want to forbid abortions - absolutely.

I´m just SO furious over such thing! They have no right to tell women what to do, damn hell!! It´s her life, her decision, her pain! How dare they decide over such thing!

It's like Conservatives are trying to push us back into the Dark Ages. They claim the US was built on christian morals but that is not the case at all. The Founding Fathers never wanted any religion to be part of our government and that is why they put in Separation of Church and State in our Constitution! And if these morons ever picked up a book by any of those men, they would know that.

And the whole debate over birth control really fucking irritates me. One idiot has come out and said birth control should be banned because studies have shown that it can cause cancer in men. Well, when the hell did men start taking birth control pills!

Oh, and I really love the ones that say aspirin should replace the pill. I guess aspirin can prevent pregnancy too?

Would you by any chance recommend this movie called Shaolin Soccer ? I like a lot of Chinese action comedies although no genre is fool proof of course. I had never heard of it but was curious if you had seen it.

^

I'll ask her. She dropped her laptop and now the screen won't work so she won't be on until its fixed

This is a joke, right?

Nope. These are the Republicans who want to do away with women's rights in the USA.

They'll be going after our right to vote next. Just wait.

I'm sure they would just like to get rid of everyone's righ t to vote. Hell, they ignore what people want anyways.

It's like Conservatives are trying to push us back into the Dark Ages. They claim the US was built on christian morals but that is not the case at all. The Founding Fathers never wanted any religion to be part of our government and that is why they put in Separation of Church and State in our Constitution! And if these morons ever picked up a book by any of those men, they would know that.

And the whole debate over birth control really fucking irritates me. One idiot has come out and said birth control should be banned because studies have shown that it can cause cancer in men. Well, when the hell did men start taking birth control pills!

Oh, and I really love the ones that say aspirin should replace the pill. I guess aspirin can prevent pregnancy too?

Aspirin? ASPIRIN?

I mean... I thought that the general basic education contains at least the difference between men and women - like, women are the one who can give birth to a child, that means they are the one who whould take birth control pills and not men that aspirin can make your headache go away but won´t protect you from getting pregnant that taking aspirin on daily basis isn´t healthy at all

I´m all for separation chirch from state - they still haven´t done that here

I think that these conservatives must have some serious issues with their psychic health. According to Freud, the "castration complex" is the most common unconscious reason of antisemitizm and sexism.... I think that no healthy inteligent man would say or claim such things

Oy...well rest up hun, can't wait to hear when u get the chance to take the twins home....so darn cute

Hows Locky by the way...he must be a bit taken back by whats going.

I'm okay here, just staying busy with working at home and BZ Bit bummed out on the rain thats forecasted for this weekend considering that I wanted to head out

but Jen was adamant on staying in this weekend...which I'm fine with.

Why do you pretend to care then trash her behind her back?????

That's how some people are sweetie. Just let it go.