Bellazon Peeps: Post pics of yourself! - PLEASE READ THE FIRST PRIOR TO POSTING

cool shirt. whos that on it?

and I bet you had a lot of fun that day toobs

Speedos are comfortable.... espacially my white one with the pink floral print.

I'm speechless

Speedos are comfortable.... espacially my white one with the pink floral print.

cool shirt. whos that on it?

and I bet you had a lot of fun that day toobs

That's Princess Leia from Star Wars

Your jacket is pretty ballin'

You can't ban me from posting photos of myself I love it to much.

I wouldn't ban you either

Come on, toobs, they look good on her

I believe you're staring at her legs, not her shoes

blah blah blah... but I've learnt people are gonna

say what they're thinking anyway. (Especially on the internet)

That's totally fine with me, though.

Toobs, that's a disturbingly homoerotic photo

Your jacket is pretty ballin'

Someone buy me a Justice x Surface to Air Xavier leather jacket Only €790,00

Tha N3T iz SRS :jimmy:

& thats a sick jacket.

You could get one for way cheaper though

don't forget it!

it was only $600-700 over here in Aust in-store but there's no more stock (not that I'd have that much money lying around to splurge on a leather jacket anyway ). Shipping would cost a fair bit too... Are you willing to buy it for me?

Lol. I spent $1200 on a John Varvatos fur jacket. It's a nice one.

damn rich people <_<

do you want to buy it for me? in return for my "services" :Dinah:

I can clean the house good!

I'm only rich every few months after a big break, it's not a normal state for me : P

I believe you're staring at her legs, not her shoes whistle.gif

That's not true.

I was staring at her face and... breasts.

Lol. I spent $1200 on a John Varvatos fur jacket. It's a nice one.

HA! HA!

take that PETA!

Fur is no good

Same with leather.

Maybe if you didn't want to buy a leather

jacket, ed, then you could actually afford one

Humans are primates. Primates are omnivores or carnivores. We're cavemen living in a psuedo-civilized society, that's actually equal or more violent to any society before it, and unquestionably more hypocritical.

Animals die, they always will. I don't know or care how it ended up dead, but it's dead, and it's skin looks damn good on me so I'm wearing it.

Face reality: suppose we all decided to stop wearing fur and leather. Will the animals live? No, they'll be killed for meat. And it's not a plausible scenario that the whole world shall become vegetarian. Why not? We return to my first point. It's in our instinct. We are born. We live to reproduce. We survive by death. The death of animals, the death of plants. The death of other people. That's reality, it's not going to change.

I'm gonna sound like a hippie here... and I'm a total hypocryt for saying it but...

We in the first world are creatures of great excess... and actually, the reason for a lot of the crap going on in the world today is because we like our steaks. Exhibit A: Have you ever drivin by all the cornfields along a country road? Notice all the corn with small metal signs in front of it? I don't know if they have it in the UK but in Canada and America we do, and it usually says Cargil. That's actually not for human consumption. Believe it or not, most of the grains we grow are actually for animal feeds. We feed this stuff to cows, pigs, sheep, chickens... all that good stuff to meet our demands for meat. McDonald's, Burger King, all the good fast food chains, end up buying up all this good meet and putting it in their burgers. That's why they get to advertise "100% Canadian Black Angus" and so on and all the fancy restaurants flaunt their fancy import meats for Brazil and so on... which brings us to exhiibit B: The biggest threat to land degredation in Brazil today isn't logging. Farmers are cutting down 1000 year old trees 25 acres at a time so their cattle of all things have somewhere to graize. They'll chop down a section of rainforest, which has become rich in nutrients, rape it with their cattle, and repeat when they've depleted that land of all they can. Exhibit C: Cows, and livestock produce a heck of a lot of waste. Ever been to a pig farm? Or a cattle farm? You know what that stench is? It's their excriment releasing all sorts of unholy gasses into the air and God knows what else into the ground... and in odd cases, the water supply.

Simply put, if North Americans stopped eating meat, we would have cleaner air and water, Brazil would have a little more rainforest, and we could solve world hunger by reappropriating the land used for growing animal feed and used it to grow food for the third world. I for one however, would rather have the luxury of having two bacon double cheeseburgers instead of one. I am more than willing to sell out for the simple pleasures found in consuming a dead cow. "Better you than me" is my motto and when my grandchildren ask me why my generation left theirs with so many problems... they will directed towards my headstone because I plan on being dead so I don't have to look them in the face and say "your problem, not mine"

PS. What kind of fur was it? People don't eat mink. The meat is disgusting so the carcass is just discarded once it's skinned.

PPS. Do I get brownie points Laffy?

That is so well put, Toobs!

I love it when people actually know what they're talking about

Humans are primates. Primates are omnivores or carnivores. We're cavemen living in a psuedo-civilized society, that's actually equal or more violent to any society before it, and unquestionably more hypocritical.

Animals die, they always will. I don't know or care how it ended up dead, but it's dead, and it's skin looks damn good on me so I'm wearing it.

Face reality: suppose we all decided to stop wearing fur and leather. Will the animals live? No, they'll be killed for meat. And it's not a plausible scenario that the whole world shall become vegetarian. Why not? We return to my first point. It's in our instinct. We are born. We live to reproduce. We survive by death. The death of animals, the death of plants. The death of other people. That's reality, it's not going to change.

Sorry in advance, this is going to be a long post.

& an offtopic one

First of all, let me just say that my mother is a vegan nutritionist and she has never cooked me a meal with any animal products in it. I'm not saying that I've been vegan all my life, because I haven't. I have eaten things such as eggs, cheese, milk, yoghurt, candies with gelatin in them, bread/pastries with milk and eggs in them etc. But I can honestly say that I've never (to my knowledge) consumed meat, so, I've been vegetarian all my life. By choice.

Now, the fact that you started the whole "They're gonna die anyway" argument pretty much irks me. I know the animals are gonna die no matter what. I'm not delusional. In fact, I think that I'm more in touch with reality than most, especially when it comes to this topic. I don't believe that I am saving any animals by choosing not to eat them because I know that if I walk past a steak, someone else will come up after me and gobble it all up. I choose not to eat meat because I'm simply not okay with eating an animal. That's it. I can't get it into my mouth! It's muscle and fat. Like we have! & sure, that may not seem too gross to you, but it just weirds me out like crazy. So, I don't expect everyone on the planet to become a vegetarian. It's a personal choice that I have made for my own reasons.

However, I am very passionately against fur and leather. In todays society there are just so many damn synthetic products out there that feel as good, look as good and are much more durable than real fur or leather that it is just so unnecessary to use the real thing. There really isn't much more to this argument. I mean everyone knows the stories. Animals get clubbed to death. Steeljaw traps. Anal electrocution (just as bad as it sounds.) Dog and cat fur being used, but sold as rabbit fur. Inhumane conditions in fur farms. Etc... I could go on and on, trust me, but I won't because you probably don't give a shit. And that's just something that I've never understood. Why do people ignore these facts? How can people buy fur or leather, knowing these things? Especially when there are materials just as good, if not better, out there that they could buy instead! I just don't get it! People drive me crazy

Finally, are you implying that you don't care if animals die for your fur coat because you know that they'll get killed for food, anyway? I hope you aren't, because that isn't 100% true.

I really hope you haven't taken offense to anything that I've said.

I'm just stating my opinion. I can't help but do so

& Yes Toobs, so many brownie points :evil:

I'm gonna sound like a hippie here... and I'm a total hypocryt for saying it but...

We in the first world are creatures of great excess... and actually, the reason for a lot of the crap going on in the world today is because we like our steaks. Exhibit A: Have you ever drivin by all the cornfields along a country road? Notice all the corn with small metal signs in front of it? I don't know if they have it in the UK but in Canada and America we do, and it usually says Cargil. That's actually not for human consumption. Believe it or not, most of the grains we grow are actually for animal feeds. We feed this stuff to cows, pigs, sheep, chickens... all that good stuff to meet our demands for meat. McDonald's, Burger King, all the good fast food chains, end up buying up all this good meet and putting it in their burgers. That's why they get to advertise "100% Canadian Black Angus" and so on and all the fancy restaurants flaunt their fancy import meats for Brazil and so on... which brings us to exhiibit B: The biggest threat to land degredation in Brazil today isn't logging. Farmers are cutting down 1000 year old trees 25 acres at a time so their cattle of all things have somewhere to graize. They'll chop down a section of rainforest, which has become rich in nutrients, rape it with their cattle, and repeat when they've depleted that land of all they can. Exhibit C: Cows, and livestock produce a heck of a lot of waste. Ever been to a pig farm? Or a cattle farm? You know what that stench is? It's their excriment releasing all sorts of unholy gasses into the air and God knows what else into the ground... and in odd cases, the water supply.

Simply put, if North Americans stopped eating meat, we would have cleaner air and water, Brazil would have a little more rainforest, and we could solve world hunger by reappropriating the land used for growing animal feed and used it to grow food for the third world. I for one however, would rather have the luxury of having two bacon double cheeseburgers instead of one. I am more than willing to sell out for the simple pleasures found in consuming a dead cow. "Better you than me" is my motto and when my grandchildren ask me why my generation left theirs with so many problems... they will directed towards my headstone because I plan on being dead so I don't have to look them in the face and say "your problem, not mine"

I'm certainly quite familiar with the process. I lived in a ranching/farming area of Texas, so I've probably seen much more of the process involved in the production of meat and grain than most.

I definitely agree with your last paragraph, and that is the point. We won't stop eating meat because we're natural carnivores. And since we, as a species, are a species that lives off the death of other animals, (and in today's society) the degradation of natural resources, one or two people, quite principally, refusing to wear fur, or eat meat, isn't going to change anything. Why isn't it going to change anything? Because the behavior is a natural instinctive behavior. Refusing to eat meat, being a vegan, refusing to wear fur. All of that is very moral, and I respect, almost admire, it, but it's not going to change anything.

It's similar to someone refusing to have kids, because of the overpopulation problem. Is it moral? Definitely. Does it match our instincts? Definitely not. And will it work? Not really, because as long as humans are humans, we'll follow our instincts. Maybe there'll come a day when all meat and fur is synthetic, and there's no longer any animals being killed for their fur or for their meat. But until that happens, one out of 10,000, or even one out of 10 people, refusing to eat meat, or wear fur, while very respectable, isn't going to change anything from the animal's point of view.

Let's keep in mind, if we stopped driving cars, stopped using electricity, stopped buying non-biodegradable plastic products, and stopped buying from companies which participate in all of these processes, we'd all be contributing to a more healthy, vibrant, natural, planet earth, and saving the lives of countless animals and natural environments. But that isn't going to happen. 1. It's too inconvenient. 2. It's anti-instinctive (unnatural). That being the case, I'm not going to refrain from buying leather and fur while doing activities just as imperfect (using plastic, driving cars, etc.)

Sorry in advance, this is going to be a long post.

& an offtopic one

First of all, let me just say that my mother is a vegan nutritionist and she has never cooked me a meal with any animal products in it. I'm not saying that I've been vegan all my life, because I haven't. I have eaten things such as eggs, cheese, milk, yoghurt, candies with gelatin in them, bread/pastries with milk and eggs in them etc. But I can honestly say that I've never (to my knowledge) consumed meat, so, I've been vegetarian all my life. By choice.

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Now, the fact that you started the whole "They're gonna die anyway" argument pretty much irks me. I know the animals are gonna die no matter what. I'm not delusional. In fact, I think that I'm more in touch with reality than most, especially when it comes to this topic. I don't believe that I am saving any animals by choosing not to eat them because I know that if I walk past a steak, someone else will come up after me and gobble it all up. I choose not to eat meat because I'm simply not okay with eating an animal. That's it. I can't get it into my mouth! It's muscle and fat. Like we have! & sure, that may not seem too gross to you, but it just weirds me out like crazy. So, I don't expect everyone on the planet to become a vegetarian. It's a personal choice that I have made for my own reasons.

Exactly. I have no problem with that. As I said, I almost admire it, it's just not something I'd subscribe to. After all, it's just as instinctive to eat meat as it is to reproduce and have kids. Both actions are objectively harmful to the earth as a whole, both are instinctive behaviors. If someone doesn't want to have kids, that's cool, I totally respect that. If someone is a vegan, likewise. I never criticized anyone, I was the one who was criticized for wearing leather and fur, which I defended.

However, I am very passionately against fur and leather. In todays society there are just so many damn synthetic products out there that feel as good, look as good and are much more durable than real fur or leather that it is just so unnecessary to use the real thing. There really isn't much more to this argument. I mean everyone knows the stories. Animals get clubbed to death. Steeljaw traps. Anal electrocution (just as bad as it sounds.) Dog and cat fur being used, but sold as rabbit fur. Inhumane conditions in fur farms. Etc... I could go on and on, trust me, but I won't because you probably don't give a shit. And that's just something that I've never understood. Why do people ignore these facts? How can people buy fur or leather, knowing these things? Especially when there are materials just as good, if not better, out there that they could buy instead! I just don't get it! People drive me crazy

This is true. But much the same can be said about diamonds for instance. Is it a corrupt industry that results in exploitation of native people's lands and resources, not to mention a lot of conflict? Yes. But there's something about the genuine value of a diamond that is irresistible. And for me, the same is true of fur and leather. My refusal to buy fur or leather isn't going to shut down the farms, and I happen to like the products, so I'm going to wear it. Nothing at all against someone who doesn't want to, I just happen to choose otherwise. And do bear in mind, the industries that produce synthetic products are generally the same companies, if not the same factories, that use dirty energy, produce non-biodegradable products that damage the environment, etc. So wearing faux fur/leather isn't going to correct everything, even if everyone did it -- which isn't happening anytime soon.

Finally, are you implying that you don't care if animals die for your fur coat because you know that they'll get killed for food, anyway? I hope you aren't, because that isn't 100% true.

I really hope you haven't taken offense to anything that I've said.

I'm just stating my opinion. I can't help but do so

No, no offense at all. Like I said, I really respect your views and choices, I simply ask you respect mine. And, no I wasn't implying that all animals which fur is taken from are killed for food anymore. My point is that my refraining from fur and leather in all likelihood won't save any particular animal's life. And in all honesty, if it did save one or two minks, I really don't give a damn, because my survival, just like your survival (vegan or not), relies on the death of countless animals, and as long as humans are humans (that is an omnivorous mammal species), that is going to be the case.

That's my opinion, no offense intended. Your choice is an admirable choice. And my choice is not an immoral choice, so I'll keep on doing it. That's where I stand.

Hmm... perhaps we should defuse some of the tension with some humour...

Look! Plastic blow up sex goat doll!