Let's Play Hard To Get

What's with all this over analysis folks? lol

If you got game you're game if you don't, you don't. That's life.

lol.

What's with all this over analysis folks? lol

If you got game you're game if you don't, you don't. That's life.

lol.

LOL. Dude, you're either an idiot or a brilliant comedian.

I typed out a long response to that sentance beginnning with "without being racist" but I decided not to post it to save you from looking like an ass. lol. Toobs isn't even part of the demographic that you've mentioned.

There's 1.3 billion Chinese and 1.1 Indians... about 36% of the world population. They can't be all too bad at chasing tail, look how many of them there are. They need laws to prevent them from breeding too much. Get it out of your head that there's something magical about your skin color or what tricks you've learned to pick up chicks. Not even confidence has much to do with the equation.

Anyway...

It's a very insecure man who buys into insane theories about having lots of money, dressing really nice, working out, or anything about increasing "social value". Personally I think it's a cop out for people who don't like themselves. It's a croc to get you to buy expensive clothes and such, which by the way, if you don't have game, look absolutely silly on you anyway (Armani is the exception). If you get into that stuff, do it because it suites you, not the you that you want to be. Seriously, I've seen dudes walk into clubs who couldn't wear Ed Hardy to save their lives and dudes who dress in Wal-Mart that got their shit together. No apparant social value at all, just game... and it's not even confidence.

The "game" that I refer to isn't something you can learn create, learn, or even fake. It is something you find when you say F*** off to the conventions of what people say you should be and discover who you really are and embracing it. Confidence is only a factor as much as it allows you to break the ice. The rest is clockwork so long as you remain a gentleman.

Also, this is getting way off topic...

Let me remind folks about the difference between PLAYING hard to get and actually BEING hard to get. Two completely different things. In one case, the girl wants you but wants to screw with your brain first and in the other case, you better be prepared for a long hard battle which you're probably gonna lose anyway. This thread is about the former.

Jesus, whenever I post in Love and Sex, I get attacked left right and center.

1. I'm not the only person to notice this phenomenon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOyRWuklsiQ)... most of my south east asian friends say the same thing...

2. That was supposed to be a compliment to you, not sure why you responded in such a hot-headed way. You need to chill out, bro.

3. Say what you like, it's impossible to deny that certain races have different tendencies in the way they behave. Black guys for instance, are almost always much more confident than the average white guy. But then they're often less gentlemanly. White guys are often very nice and gentlemanly but often lack confidence.

4. The statements I made are all backed up by facts and research. How many gorgeous women does Hugh Hefner have...?

Try going to a nightclub alone, vs. going to a nightclub with 5 or 6 female friends. Try it a few times, and watch on average which times you come home with a new girl. The answer's obvious. The more 'desired' a man is, aka the more women who want him, the more desirable -- attractive -- he is. Better Social 'Value' is more attractive.

Offhand, which is more attractive? Between two people of almost identical looks and personality: a company manager, or a busboy at a restaurant. The answer is once again obvious.

Again, which is more attractive? All else being the same: a broke guy, or a millionaire. Answer is obvious.

Which is more attractive? A shy geek, or a self-confident male model or an actor, or hell, even a biker or anything else. The keyword is self-confident. If you're denying that self-confidence is very attractive, you should start arguing the earth is flat, my friend.

And as for style, if you'd read with your eyes open, you'd have noticed I never indicated people need to buy expensive clothes. The thing is wearing clothes that fit properly, clothes that draw attention to your strong points, and away from weak points. Ask any woman if she prefers a guy who wears XXL white t shirts with 42-32 jeans and a baseball cap, or a guy who dresses like Brad Pitt.

And working out. I hope for your sake you're not claiming that lack of fitness is anything but unattractive. The point proves itself.

It's true that a good portion of being attractive (which for a guy is mostly about how you behave more than how you look) is what you think of yourself more than anything else. But it's also true that all those outer changes will make almost anyone a lot more self confident inside.

Finally, I wasn't trying to impose my theory on you or any other guy. I said it is what works for me, and as far as I can see it works with almost every guy I know. But it certainly works for me, and that's what matters to me. It works very well to me. At this point just based on the txt msg's on my cellphone I can truly say I have eight different women all asking me to go out with them not the other way around. And I'm happy with that. If you're not, cool. Whatever works for you, bro, for real. No hard feelings.

And finally about being insecure, speak for yourself: you made ad-hominem attacks against me (idiot, insecure, etc) for what was intended as a compliment to you. That, my friend, is insecurity.

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Jesus, whenever I post in Love and Sex, I get attacked left right and center.

I know I'm great, but my name is TooBoku. I think Jesus would be a little upset if you've mistaken a loser like me for him. You attack first with your generalizations and trying to apply them to me. Your ignotance is the cause of this, not your lame assed theories as a whole. All I've said to that point is that you're over analizing the situation. Also, if you get attacked everytime you post here, take it as a hint. It's the internet, expect people to call bullshit when you're writing bullshit.

Now that I know you weren't actually joking...

1. YouTube. Wonderful. You, the comedian, and your three Oriental friends agree. That's great but your sample to the "Asain" population is limitted to you direct social circle and the dude who is MAKING FUN of a popular misconception. Come to my neighborhood and you'll find "Asian" dudes with whatever flavor of girl they want. You see 25-year-old kids with Ukrainian mothers and Indian fathers. You see a Japanese dude with his tongue down a black girl's throat. Just because you and a few other idiots agree, doesn't eleminate the possibility that you're all idiots. Take an actual unbiased prely random global sample and you'll almost certainly find that there's no correlation between ethnicity and the probability of success at copulation. Over on the other side of the world, they're saying the same things about you that you're saying about them. Everyone is a little bit racist but white guys are better at it because they record it in history and advetise it. Give it a few decades after China fully establishes itself as the global economic superpower... pretty soon it's the poor little caucasian boys with self esteem issues. Serisouly. Stop buying into that shit.

2. Noted. Thank you I guess; but it's somewhat difficult to appreciate being labelled or being told that you should behave a certain way, excel at once thing, or not excel at the other just because you were born in a particular country. My response to that was by no means an act of insecurity. It is simply to tell you that you've crossed a line with me. No one, tells me what I should or shouldn't be. I don't want to toot my own horn here but I had to get over my shyness so I could talk to the girls who would approach ME. Yeah, shy socially awkward guys with not much in the way of self confidence score too. I never had to chase girls until I decided that I liked doing it.

3. Great. Once again, you're sticking me in a demographic to which I do not belong. Not that there's anything wrong with "them", that's just not who I am. Now you're even claiming cultural superiority based on what "white folk" say what a gentleman is. Seriously, as disgusting as I think chewing with your mouth open is, in some cultures it's quite acceptable and by no means would it reflect upon you as being uncourteous. This is the type of thing that in the past wars would be faught over.

4. How many of those women have an IQ above 90? Heff, though sometimes I mock his status by calling him my hero, has NO social value whatsoever in my eyes. Not a good example if I'm the one you're trying to convince. Further more, he doesn't actually have them. They are lured into that situation with promises of fame and fortune. Nobody actually wants Heff, they either want his money or to be on the cover of the next playboy and become another Carmen Electra. Who by the way, I wouldn't even touch with your penachem. If they're not gold digging social climbers, they're victims of the American education system.

Next time, please I need no props from you if it is based on some outdated stereotype that you believe I've somewhow broken.

First, I am not going to continue replying to your flaming, because that is what it is, and that is against the Bellazon rules. If you continue name-calling, I will report your posts.

I know I'm great, but my name is TooBoku. I think Jesus would be a little upset if you've mistaken a loser like me for him.

Jesus died a virgin, too, sweetheart. It's nothing to be ashamed of

You attack first with your generalizations and trying to apply them to me. Your ignotance is the cause of this, not your lame assed theories as a whole. All I've said to that point is that you're over analizing the situation. Also, if you get attacked everytime you post here, take it as a hint. It's the internet, expect people to call bullshit when you're writing bullshit.

Well, do forgive my 'ignotance' but if you'd read the topic again, you'd notice I never attacked anyone. The title of the topic is 'let's play hard to get' and I posted how I play hard to get. After that I said you seem to have pretty good game, especially when it can be hard for asian dudes in a western culture. (Which is true.)

Due to your insecurity or whatever it is, you explode in a storm of catty name-calling.

1. YouTube. Wonderful. You, the comedian, and your three Oriental friends agree. That's great but your sample to the "Asain" population is limitted to you direct social circle and the dude who is MAKING FUN of a popular misconception. Come to my neighborhood and you'll find "Asian" dudes with whatever flavor of girl they want. You see 25-year-old kids with Ukrainian mothers and Indian fathers. You see a Japanese dude with his tongue down a black girl's throat. Just because you and a few other idiots agree, doesn't eleminate the possibility that you're all idiots. Take an actual unbiased prely random global sample and you'll almost certainly find that there's no correlation between ethnicity and the probability of success at copulation. Over on the other side of the world, they're saying the same things about you that you're saying about them. Everyone is a little bit racist but white guys are better at it because they record it in history and advetise it. Give it a few decades after China fully establishes itself as the global economic superpower... pretty soon it's the poor little caucasian boys with self esteem issues. Serisouly. Stop buying into that shit.

Unless you bring solid facts to rebuff my claim, my conclusion based on popular consensus and on my own experience remains presumably true. I'm speaking from the perspective of Asians in a white culture. I'm saying that generally they seem to have a hard time getting women. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. It's my opinion, it's based on what I see, it's agreed to by many men of asian ethnicity whom I know, as well as a good portion of the general public.

Goddammmnnn. You must have some serious self esteem issues dude. Having a small penis doesn't make you inferior, remember... I'm an idiot? They're idiots? They're all idiots? I bow before you Toobs. Forgive my idiocy... you're a real awesome guy, I shouldn't have stepped on your toes.

2. Noted. Thank you I guess; but it's somewhat difficult to appreciate being labelled or being told that you should behave a certain way, excel at once thing, or not excel at the other just because you were born in a particular country. My response to that was by no means an act of insecurity. It is simply to tell you that you've crossed a line with me. No one, tells me what I should or shouldn't be. I don't want to toot my own horn here but I had to get over my shyness so I could talk to the girls who would approach ME. Yeah, shy socially awkward guys with not much in the way of self confidence score too. I never had to chase girls until I decided that I liked doing it.

Congratulations, I'm happy for you that you now have the balls to talk to a woman.

3. Great. Once again, you're sticking me in a demographic to which I do not belong. Not that there's anything wrong with "them", that's just not who I am. Now you're even claiming cultural superiority based on what "white folk" say what a gentleman is. Seriously, as disgusting as I think chewing with your mouth open is, in some cultures it's quite acceptable and by no means would it reflect upon you as being uncourteous. This is the type of thing that in the past wars would be faught over.

No, I didn't claim any culture is superior. My own opinions of cultures are irrelevant. I'm British and I'm nationalist, so if you want to get onto that topic, go ahead, but the reality is every race and culture has it's strong points and weak points. Objectively, I'd tend to conclude that blacks are 'superior' to whites in an evolutionary sense (better athletes, more confident). But that's my own opinion.

4. How many of those women have an IQ above 90? Heff, though sometimes I mock his status by calling him my hero, has NO social value whatsoever in my eyes. Not a good example if I'm the one you're trying to convince. Further more, he doesn't actually have them. They are lured into that situation with promises of fame and fortune. Nobody actually wants Heff, they either want his money or to be on the cover of the next playboy and become another Carmen Electra. Who by the way, I wouldn't even touch with your penachem. If they're not gold digging social climbers, they're victims of the American education system.

Whether he has Social Value in your eyes or not is irrelevant. What I pointed out is that money, power, fame, confidence, social status, all make one more desirable. Which is true. Forgive me for being right.

Next time, please I need no props from you if it is based on some outdated stereotype that you believe I've somewhow broken.

It will be my pleasure not to compliment you in future, toobs. Maybe you could find a girl to compliment you, it might help your self esteem a little

Once again, the conversation is over, you've resorted to name calling and flaming, which is against site rules, and if you continue in this, I will report you. You are shockingly immature for your age.

Right. Go ahead and do that. See if a little warning check mark really makes me feel sorry for my evil deeds.

After that post however, I doubt that you can remain blameless in the violation of forum rules in accordance to "flaming".

You've got personal attacks, racist attacks, and religious attacks all in one post. We're both going down if you tattle.

Honestly though, I rather get kicked off BZ and maintain my dignity than kowtow to some inferior notion that Asians are more confident yet less gentlemanly than white guys or that my evil twin who dresses nicer than me is gonna have a greater chance of success at copulating than I am. That is racism as well as stirring up ideas of class warfare. It is 2008. There are no bourgeoisie or proletariat. It's ludicrous and it's the same rational which eventually led to the idea of the Aryans. If standing up for my ideals or defending "Asians" against a generalization you've made against them in some way makes me immature in your eyes, then you have my blessing to keep living in your ignorant little bubble.

As for your precious studies, link them. Who did the research? Who were the test subjects? Where were the test subjects located? Was subject selection truly random? How was the apparatus set up? How big was the sample? Were the tests blinded? What variables were measured? How were they measured? More importantly... who funded the research and what were their intentions?

FYI. It's not playing hard to get if the woman wasn't even interested in you in the first place. Hard to get is an psychological equivalent to foreplay. I have no idea of how to rationalize the need to go through what you've mentioned if the woman was already interested in you in the first place. Your posts actually belong in another thread called "My theories on how to pick up girls that I have to pretend to be something I'm not to get"

I think this discussion is getting a little offensive on both parts. <_<

In Germany there is a saying that states something like: 'The wiser one backs down (because he doesn't need to prove his point).'

something like that.

This here sounds to me like a misunderstanding in which both of you got really offended.

Why not just leave it at: 'We have different opinions but that's okay.'

And i can imagine that in some areas there may be preferences for special 'types' of people but that's preferences and they can't be generalized in my opinion.

For example: three of my female friends - all German with German background - have completely different tastes: one has a boyfriend who's more of the sturdy type. He's dark haired and has Egyptian and German background and therefore looks tanned.

One is into the blonde tall thin Northern type of guys with light skin. And the third one finds a darker skin colour and muscles really attractive. I have two friends with Philipinian background - they didn't seem more desperate than others to me lol

and if then i guess it's about the person and not their race.

I think everyone can have game everywhere. I believe that there is something like 'types' people are into (everyone has an individual type, his or her preference) but that doesn't mean they can't find someone attractive or can't fall in love with someone who doesn't fit that type, does it?

and for what it's worth - the populations in Asian countries are growing rapidly while ours are decreasing.

to be honest - i personally think we are all individuals so everyone has different preferences. If you're a great person than there will at some point be a person who can see how great you are. Even if you don't see it yourself.

BUT all of this is a little off topic

i guess playing a little hard to get can be hot as a game. If both of you already know that you two are into each other. Than it's like some kind of flirting, a flirty competition to heat things up a little. But playing hard to get can go wrong, can't it? People could think you're just an ass or arrogant or they might simply lose interest when it gets too annoying.

A little challenge is exciting but might get boring with time.

What do you guys think?

Ummagawdddd .. chill pills anyone??

on a lighter note.

Lol, I accept this dedication with gratitude and honor, and humility. My thanks to the people of Bellazon, and the one and only Alexa -------. (Who needs to get better taste in guys btw ).

I like variety in my diet. I do a little bit of everyone...

men and the silent treatment. why do we freak out when men don't answer us and why do men wait years to answer? lol the thrill of the chase you say...