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Or is anyone that rich that can gimme 165 bucks

haha ok i dont want to shell out $165 but i dont have a problem making up the difference if you do set up a paypal acct and we dont reach our goal.

I know you guys probabaly know this already but I jsut found it

If you go to My Controls -> Board Settings -> Type of text editor to use when posting and select Rich Text editor, the reply thingy becomes a real WYSIWYG editor

anyways dont mind me im a little slow to find such things

some of the members are asking to move the post your pic topic so that it cannot be seen by guests

I a guest really wants to see the pics then the only thing he/she has to do is register which takes less than 5 mins.

some of the members are asking to move the post your pic topic so that it cannot be seen by guests

i mentioned this a long time ago to marduk, so i'm in favor of it. yeah, all guests have to do is register if they want to see the pics and yes, i'm sure there are whacko members on this board, but i would still be more comfortable if guests couldnt see the the members' pics.

aight.. (Y)

ronin and i talked about this for a long time...what we can do is make a subforum in general talk and move some more of the "personal" threads in there and edit the subforum's permission mask that way guests cant see it.

um who the fuck does IIxCaRoLinAxII think she is? seriously i want to smack her.

y?

y?

first of all, i had to delete her stupid and inappropriate remark about adriana and she goes and tells me to delete the picture instead. um excuse me bitch but no one tells me what to do especially when YOU are the problem, not the pic. secondly, i responded to adrianas_biatch's idiotic remark (a mistake in and of itself i must admit b/c she seems to be um, verbally deficient?) and miss carolina is like "back to topic, back to topic"... gee thanks hun, i really needed you to tell me that. whatever, she better stay the fuck out of my face or she is going to hear it from me and it wont be pretty.

From : betrix betrix@isbt.com.br

Sent : Monday, November 21, 2005 6:23 AM

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the following has no relavance whatsoever, but im sure you all for being in a position of power have felt this way before, so i thought I would share it with you.

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Complaints about the free ice cream

Gratitude is a virtue...

By: Draginol

Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2004 on Opinionated Techie

Discussion: Business

Never underestimate the ability of human beings to rationalize their behavior. No matter what it is you give away freely, you will always end up with some people who will rationalize that they are customers and should be treated as such.

The blogger who inspired me into starting my blog, Steven Den Beste, has decided to take an extended break from blogging. In a nutshell, he's fed up. Fed up with people nitpicking his writing. People who make demands on him as if they were his customers with some right to make demands.

He puts it thusly:

I've learned something interesting: if you give away ice cream, eventually a lot of people will complain about the flavors, and others will complain that you aren't also giving away syrup and whipped cream and nuts.

This isn't confined just to those who write articles that they freely share on the Internet. Any sort of free product, good, or service will have people who feel they are entitled to make demands on the creator.

So let me give you the 5 rules of free stuff:

(1) Unless money is being paid by you for the product, good or service being provided, you are not a customer. Get over it. You have no rights. Deal with it.

(2) Even if you paid money for the product, good, or service under discussion, your ability to make demands decreases depending on how many separations there are between you and the person you are making demands on. If you paid the person directly, you have maximum leverage. But the more layers there between you and the person you're talking to, the more diluted your leverage becomes. If I work at Microsoft and I'm posting on some forum, don't bitch at me that I need to personally solve your Windows problems .

(3) If it's free be gracious about it. Don't complain that you should get more free stuff from the person. Anything you ask for is you asking a favor of the person providing the free thing.

(4) Don't get mad or accuse the person/company of being 'greedy' if some of their products/services aren't free. Who is really the 'greedy' one' The person who has given away things for free or the person who, having paid nothing, makes demands for more free stuff'

(5) If you think you can do something better then do it. Talk is cheap. Nothing is impossible for the person who has to deliver the goods.

Let me give you some examples of free stuff that we regularly get people demanding customer level treatment:

JoeUser.com

JoeUser is a free blog site I provide with the help of Stardock. The business case for the site is that it doesn't cost much to provide and enables us to write articles and attract potential customers by its sheer popularity. Eventually it will hopefully pay for itself by having premium blogs. But that amount will still be fairly small.

Even though it is free, every day I get people who email me personally demanding all kinds of things. Not requests -- demands. Requests for help are fine. Demands are another thing. When people start making demands on how the site is run, they need to look up rule #1. If you're not paying money for the site, you have no rights. You have no right to demand anything. But still, we see people who regularly make public demands or argue how unprofessional I or someone else is. Unprofessional' We're not being paid to post there. We're not paid to moderate. We go on there in our free time because we enjoy it. It really gets surreal when I occasionally get people who will create a blog on JoeUser that will call me all kinds of names. Needless to say, those blogs don't last long. Then come the screams of censorship and cries of first amendment protection. There is no first amendment rights on JoeUser. You want rights, then send me a check for $50,000. That's about the amount this site costs to have each year.

WinCustomize.com

This is another free site ' to a point. Originally it was completely free. But the site costs hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to run so we eventually had to put a limit on how much stuff you could download before contributing something back. Still, we get people on there who make all kinds of demands.

Eventually, we had to cap the bandwidth that people could use. After 50 megabytes the user had to either purchase a Stardock product or purchase a subscription (or contribute to the site in some other way such as making skins, icons, tutorials, help in the forum, etc.).

Amazingly, we regularly have people who show moral outrage at the idea that they should have to pay. Somehow we are greedy because they want to use our bandwidth for free forever without giving anything back.

ObjectDock

This is one of the most notorious ones. ObjectDock is the world's most popular "dock" program. Docks are programs that let you put short-cuts and tasks and other things and typically "dock" them to an edge. ObjectDock is freeware. But from day one, there's been a lot of people who have made demands on us to do this or that with it as if they were customers. Not requests -- demands (requests are fine).

And when we came out with ObjectDock Plus, which adds more features than what was in the free version, all hell broke loose. All kinds of people started calling us "greedy" and worse. Lots of demands were made that its features should be in the free version. Or that we have no right to charge in the first place. Why' Because we made the free version available first (as if that makes sense). There are other docks available and they're free too. But they're not updated anymore. Only ObjectDock receives regular updates. But do these people make the connection that maybe the reason the free version keeps getting updates is because of the existence of the Plus version' Not likely.

All of our freeware programs tend to get ignored when people describe our company as a whole. Because we're a (gasp) for profit software company, we get the lunatic fringe anti-capitalistic people who think it's wrong that we sell software at all. Not that they are willing to write software and give it away. But they consider themselves just as much as customers as the people who pay for non-free products.

Like Steven, I get a lot of nit-picking about my blogs and articles and comments. Usually from people who feel they know more than I do on a given subject. Maybe they do but there's no way to know since they're not willing to take the time to demonstrate their knowledge. Most of the time when I write I simply don't have enough free time to qualify every statement to the nth degree. Sometimes I have to oversimplify something to get the point across. I don't have patience for including things that are theoretically possible. I tend to stick with what is practically possible.

Still, some people will pass me links or names of books or articles that I "need to educate myself with" so that I can write a retraction or correction at a later date. When I don't answer those emails, I'll occasionally get a "You've just lost a reader" as if they paid for the site.

The bottom line is that if you didn't pay for the product, good, or service that you're using you need to be conscious of that. Don't delude yourself into thinking you're some sort of customer entitled to anything. Any request you make is asking for a favor. No matter what that request is, no matter how reasonable or justified you believe that request to be, you are asking for a favor.

In other words, don't complain about the free ice cream.

Posted by bscabl at 10:54 PM | Comments (0) | TrackBack

(1) Unless money is being paid by you for the product, good or service being provided, you are not a customer. Get over it. You have no rights. Deal with it.

please, can this be bellazon's official motto? please oh pretty please!

haha its a good point, and i know i've definitely bitched myself

Amen!

i'm sorry but "for you neo i'll stop"????

WTF?! because Capt has no authority around here? because my telling them to shut the fuck up means nothing? FUCK THIS SHIT AND FUCK THESE PEOPLE. who the FUCK do they think they are!??!?!

you pieces of fucking shit

*lets out breath*

ahhh

that feels much better.

please, tell us how you really feel

please, tell us how you really feel

i you

oh btw, because i have major crushes on people in authority, let me just commend your warning capt. twas awesome

Lot of good it did, it seems people feel they only need to listen to neo's warnings. Like as long as Neo doesn't warn them they are in the clear or something.

I'm just gonna start banning anyone, who crosses that line and attacks someone. Carolina, told Ashley to blow it up her ass. That should be enough. Yet we just get rid of the posts and act like nothing happened.

People need to know that they have to listen to the rest of the staff. I mean I don't know how many times, you warned them about getting off topic, and that they should stop with all the bullshit, yet they disregarded it completely.

Some people seem to just get out of hand.

I'm going to sleepy....

sounds good. i say start with her

have a good night mike! i'm going home for thanksgiving so idk if i'll be on before thursday...just in case i'm not, happy thanksgiving!