Vaginismus

It's such a shame that she got divorced because of this... Unless maybe her partner didn't know about her problem before marriage (but how come?).

Thats why sex before marriage is so important, so this whole "i'm saving myself for marriage" is bs....

Its not BS its a choice, some like to wait, others not, doesnt mean its bull-shit. I dont see anything wrong with someone wanting to see or taste the goods before marriage, but please dont lump wanting to wait in the BS catagory, it takes alot of self control, being secure in yourself and the person you want to be with NOT to sleep with them.

It's such a shame that she got divorced because of this... Unless maybe her partner didn't know about her problem before marriage (but how come?).

Thats why sex before marriage is so important, so this whole "i'm saving myself for marriage" is bs....

Its not BS its a choice, some like to wait, others not, doesnt mean its bull-shit. I dont see anything wrong with someone wanting to see or taste the goods before marriage, but please dont lump wanting to wait in the BS catagory, it takes alot of self control, being secure in yourself and the person you want to be with NOT to sleep with them.

everyone can make his own choices when we have good reasons and we aren't obligated...

Oh the duo is back....

I was just stating my opinion.

Or should I call you the tandem, because you post one after another and always go in the same direction, have the same opinion.... almost like you are the same person

in same time they created their profile the same day...

they are siamese twins XD

And as for divorcing over sex.. it should never be a main key for marriage...EVER. When someone gets older eventually you wont be able to have sex like you used or one of you can not preform like they used to... etc.. etc.. The most important to a marriage should be the compatibility and the choice to love for each other. If this marriage didnt not have that to survive a complication in sex, then maybe this was not the right man for her. if you do not have sex as a result from the feelings/compatibilty/love, and as something that is mandatory in a relationship just because its supposed to happen, then your relationship is very well set for difficulties. Besides there is sooooo much you can do without intercourse until issues get somewhat resolved, so the actualy intercourse being an issue really is no excuse.

Well, while it shouldn't be a reason to get married, it is quite a reason to have a relationship. I mean, it's easy to say "sex isn't the most important thing" when you are a woman in your 30s or whatever, but you have no clue what its like to be a guy in early 20s, when all you want is sex, unless there is something wrong with you.

With that said, it is apparent that the guy did not love her enough to have a relationship with no intercourse, so should not have gotten married, but she should have told him that she cant have sex before they got married, because that is quite a piece of information to keep a secret in a relationship.

oh my. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry that me and my friend that I've known for years did not consult the two of you before we joined here. How horrible of us. We must have missed that requirement when we signed up.

And I am sorry that we are clsoe friends that know each other like family and that we share alot in common. Such a crime I know. And please please PLEASE forgive that we are friends that do like to do things together and that do compliement and acknowledge the other, especially when one makes a very valid point. So valid by the way, that you must have agreed with it russelb since you went and changed your post about waiting on sex til marriage was "bs" right after it.

But we will make sure in the future to check ith the both of you before we do anything here. Especially since you two seem to have taken an interest in following and tracking our psots. Than again, if you really did do that, had bothered to actually look before making such a small minded statement, you'd see that we don't post with each other that much. So, what do you thjink of the ones that DO just post after each other all the time? I mean that must be offensive to you as well than.

I feel bad for you two. It must be tough to not have a close an personal fruiend like that. One that you can count on, one you can just have fun with, one that you consider family. And if you actually bothered to get to KNOW people before you go around accusing and making wild accusations, than you would see how ridiculous your comments are. But hey, please, keeps those minds closed and small. i'm sure it has done wonders for you so far.

I salute you. The ONE FINGERED SALUTE.

That was an insincere apology.

Yes. That's what grown ups call sarcasm.

But I am so glad you haven taken such an interest in us. (More sarcasm) As to WHY you have is beyond me.

In all honesty me and my family have been very blessed to have a good friend like LMS in our lives and as part of our extended family. I hope someday you too will meet such a friend.

That was sarcasm too btw

A bit too defensive, don't you think ? What's with the whole "It must be tough to not have a close an personal fruiend like that. One that you can count on, one you can just have fun with, one that you consider family."? And I don't remember accusing anyone of anything. Pause that Mel Gibson tape.

Or should I call you the tandem, because you post one after another and always go in the same direction, have the same opinion.... almost like you are the same person

Really???? Wonder what an accusation from you would look like?

Or should I call you the tandem, because you post one after another and always go in the same direction, have the same opinion.... almost like you are the same person

Really???? Wonder what an accusation from you would look like?

Hmm... see, if i read something like that, I'd think "Yeah, almost like the same person, this one says one thing, the next person says "high five, girlfriend", always agrees and might as well just copy and paste the previous post, because all he/she did was restate what the person above said, in different words. Never has a personal opinion that is even slightly different."

But if you see it as an accusation and choose to get all defensive, give that very weird "I have a friend I can count on and you don't" speech, oh well, that's how you've interpreted my post, for your own reasons.

Oh, and an accusation from me would sound something like this: "She's a witch!! Burn her!!!"

Especially since you two seem to have taken an interest in following and tracking our psots. Than again, if you really did do that, had bothered to actually look before making such a small minded statement, you'd see that we don't post with each other that much. So, what do you thjink of the ones that DO just post after each other all the time? I mean that must be offensive to you as well than.

I feel bad for you two. It must be tough to not have a close an personal fruiend like that. One that you can count on, one you can just have fun with, one that you consider family. And if you actually bothered to get to KNOW people before you go around accusing and making wild accusations, than you would see how ridiculous your comments are. But hey, please, keeps those minds closed and small. i'm sure it has done wonders for you so far.

I salute you. The ONE FINGERED SALUTE.

are you drunk ?

do you really think i will lose my time to follow you ? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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so that's mean, i harass everybody who answer me on the forum ??? did i visited your profile... ? you know, that's the base. if i followed you, you certainely could see me in your last visitors. do you find me ? certainely not XD

maybe you don't understand but here, on this page, everyone can see you joined the forum the october 29, 2009, so it just shows that's pretty logic that you're friend with Little Miss Sunshine. nothing else!

that's the first time i read your message in a conversation (if i'm not wrong XD) you know, there are psychologist to help you to fight narcissist crisis...

you know russellb, if Little and sweet were a single person i don't know where they could find the time to write more than 8300 messages in 9 months... (ps, Sweet Lu, i wanna be clear, i didn't read and counted all your messages, i just found this information near to the word "posts" under your avatar XXXXXXXD)

At the very least we have made this topic a bit more interesting.

and my reply was for both of you.

Let's face it, you got mad cause she totally took you to town on your "sex before marriage is bs" line and you wanted to take a couple shots instead of jsut daying "that came out wrong, let me fix it", sine you did go bacvk and fix it. But I understand, male pride and all.

For some reason you are the one who flipped out. Whoever got taken to town wasn't me.

Thanks for making my weekend brighter, people. Told you I love BZ.

Especially since you two seem to have taken an interest in following and tracking our psots. Than again, if you really did do that, had bothered to actually look before making such a small minded statement, you'd see that we don't post with each other that much. So, what do you thjink of the ones that DO just post after each other all the time? I mean that must be offensive to you as well than.

I feel bad for you two. It must be tough to not have a close an personal fruiend like that. One that you can count on, one you can just have fun with, one that you consider family. And if you actually bothered to get to KNOW people before you go around accusing and making wild accusations, than you would see how ridiculous your comments are. But hey, please, keeps those minds closed and small. i'm sure it has done wonders for you so far.

I salute you. The ONE FINGERED SALUTE.

are you drunk ?

do you really think i will lose my time to follow you ? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD

so that's mean, i harass everybody who answer me on the forum ??? did i visited your profile... ? you know, that's the base. if i followed you, you certainely could see me in your last visitors. do you find me ? certainely not XD

maybe you don't understand but here, on this page, everyone can see you joined the forum the october 29, 2009, so it just shows that's pretty logic that you're friend with Little Miss Sunshine. nothing else!

that's the first time i read your message in a conversation (if i'm not wrong XD) you know, there are psychologist to help you to fight narcissist crisis...

you know russellb, if Little and sweet were a single person i don't know where they could find the time to write more than 8300 messages in 9 months... (ps, Sweet Lu, i wanna be clear, i didn't read and counted all your messages, i just found this information near to the word "posts" under your avatar XXXXXXXD)

I wish there was a way to give respect points on BZ

At the very least we have made this topic a bit more interesting.

and my reply was for both of you.

Let's face it, you got mad cause she totally took you to town on your "sex before marriage is bs" line and you wanted to take a couple shots instead of jsut daying "that came out wrong, let me fix it", sine you did go bacvk and fix it. But I understand, male pride and all.

And I still believe that no sex before marriage is stupid. And why would i feel taken to town, because someone ON THE INTERNET told me that my opinion is wrong? ROFL, just like Baby said, you truly are full of yourself.

ok, this is getting silly now. Knowing both Little Miss Sunshine and Sweet Lu and having spoken to both on more then one occasion I can assure you that they are indeed two different people. As stated one lives in Florida, the other in Boston, despite the fact they joined on the same date. Which is mearly a coincidence more then anything else. To be honest not quite sure what bennfits someone would get from having two accounts and building up the "rep" for the other is just an absurd idea! And i doubt will be tollorated on BZ. Im sure if the Admin's would have had concern over this issue it would have been delt with already. So the fact that both accounts are still active should be proof enough!

So can we know stop this and get back on topic. If you feel there are other issues to be resolved between the three of you. then i suggest you do it in privacy. The others members shouldn't have to be exposed to this.

We aren't even talking about that anymore. We are talking about whether having sex before marriage is stupid or not.