Ophelia Immortal
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So I freakishly had a dream about you the other night 
- But for the life of me i can't remember what it was even about Couldn't have been a dirty one then 
Seems you've had more of an effect on me then i had realised 
Do you always have this effect on men? Or is it just me 
Thank you for thinking of me!I know her, I actually started her thread here at BZ
I love her but she is not a favorite of mine
I think of redheads when I think of you, :=p
Do you like Deborah ann woll? Regardless of how philistine her show is compared to Rice.
So I freakishly had a dream about you the other night
hehehehe
Thank you for thinking of me!I know her, I actually started her thread here at BZ
I love her but she is not a favorite of mine
Do you like Deborah ann woll? Regardless of how philistine her show is compared to Rice.
I used to really love True Blood, I have all the books.
Deborah was one of the few reasons I still put up with the show...she's absolutely fantastic and if the show didn't suck so much ass now...I'd still be drooling over her 
Pissed.
Horrifed.
Lucy Liu: Watson in Sherlock Holmes Pilot ‘Elementary’
They cast her in the Sherlock Holmes remake which as a whole in a rip off of BBC's Sherlock.
but they cast HER as Watson?!
And no, this isn’t hatred, nor is this BBC-Sherlock-is-superior babbling. Up until now I’ve been willing to give it a chance, and when it does air, I’m still going to give it one last shot to impress me with its first episode. But I now know that unless they pull off some crazy switcheroo, I’m going to be disappointed. (I’m not even going to mention the NYC setting, either.)
I do like Lucy Liu playing such a fantastic character, don’t get me wrong. But there are only two ways this can go now and neither of them are remotely palatable.
Romantic:
If CBS chooses to have a romance develop between Sherlock Holmes and Joan Watson (or whatever her name is), then their goal is fairly clear: let’s make the Holmes/Watson relationship more palatable to audiences by making it heterosexual.
Do they even realize how erasing that is? Now, if you swapped both Sherlock and John’s sexes, maybe then it’d be bearable. Quasi-lesbian detective and doctor/medical/cop whatever in NYC? I could deal. That’d be fairly cool. But to change one character, and only one character, means you’re doing the single-gender for one of only two reasons:
Either you’re intending to build a relationship, or you’re throwing in a beautiful woman to attract the male viewers. Normally, these motives are fine, but when you’re dealing with characters who are both already known to the viewers and are consistently noted for their unique relationship as two male characters, even in Victorian London? No. Neither is acceptable, even remotely. To do so insults the memory and bond between those characters. Where we once had an incredibly close pair of men, so close that reading between the lines of Dr. Watson’s prose might suggest a relationship carried out behind the scenes, we now have your typical woman falling for a very smart man. Whoop. De. Doo.
But maybe you’re gonna make John Watson a trans man and emphasize that it’s a queer relationship despite his perceived gend - oh wait, that would be one of those things that only happens in my fantasy worlds; my apologies.
Platonic:
If you go the platonic route, then yes, you avoid my queer-erasing rage. No gay-ignoring for you! Good job!
But the problem is, then you probably still won’t hit upon the relationship between Holmes and Watson. Whatever else can be said about their relationship, romantic in the very much gay sense or not, they do have a deep, profound love for each other. To deny that would be very wrong.
In our society, on our televisions, those bonds don’t exist. We’d like them to, maybe, but they don’t. Males and females can’t have that deep a bond without being romantic, television tells us. So if you come even close to the reality of Watson and Holmes’ bond, it’s still going to be perceived as romantic despite platonic intentions, and we loop around to the first problem all over.
The only other option is to deeply tone down their partnership in the midst of the show, and suddenly what you’ve got is no longer that fascinating show about two intensely interesting characters and the mysteries they solve. It’s just another cops and robbers type show, one in a million, and in no way identifiable with the timeless beauty of ACD’s tales.
And either way:
Additionally, making Watson the female character has some potentially painful sexist implications. Watson is generally - and in my mind, falsely - attributed as the “sidekick” character to Holmes. He is a doctor and a soldier at once.
(I read somewhere that she’s going to be a former NYPD medical examiner? Could play either way, but I’m inclined to give it a thumbs-down. Watson is a man who takes orders and gets shot for it, not a woman who failed on the job once and got kicked out. Um. But I don’t have the source for this, I lost it somewhere, so if somebody could confirm that’d be great.)
So, somebody decided somewhere that between the risk-taking, caustic, determined detective and the kind-hearted, steadfast, background character doctor, that the female role should go to the latter. Really? If they make her character powerful and solid enough, there’s a chance that it could fly, but it’s unlikely. Gender stereotyping has itself stamped all over this.
If they’re very clever, they’ll make Joan Watson the main character of the show rather than Holmes - that’ll put a kick in the expectations, while remaining true to ACD, won’t it just? But I highly doubt it. And that’s sad.
Congrats on the multiracial casting, CBS, but negative points just about everywhere else.
Watson being played by a woman? 
First Bram Stoker, now sir Arthur Conan Doyle.... what is going to be next? Jane Eyre played by a man? Or maybe they could film the famous White Fang with an elephant instead of wolf?
Wait! I have a great idea, let´s just cast Adriana Lima to play Santiago in The old man and the sea, her accent would be so sexy! Why not, male public would for sure go and see it... yeah 
It's not Watson being a female that's the problem.(This is a great thing on it's own!)
It's leaving Sherlock a man and the reason behind it.
It truly is looking like it's only for a more (acceptable) Romantic plot.
They are trying to 'fix' a wonderfully perfect relationship that has always had tension between the 2 male leads and make it acceptable, which means casting a woman as a lead instead.
^I'm all for an interesting "re-imagining" - after all, that's what the recent BBC version is (and a very clever one at that); but doing it for the sake of doing it is just silly.And no, this isn’t hatred, nor is this BBC-Sherlock-is-superior babbling. Up until now I’ve been willing to give it a chance, and when it does air, I’m still going to give it one last shot to impress me with its first episode. But I now know that unless they pull off some crazy switcheroo, I’m going to be disappointed. (I’m not even going to mention the NYC setting, either.)
When you lose the point of the relationships between certain characters, and their intrinsic traits, then you might as well just call everybody concerned different names and have done with it. There are enough "brilliant" minds (plus their trusty companions) on current syndicated shows anyway - so this could just add to the pile...
It's like that hoary old argument every time a new James Bond is cast, that why couldn't it be a woman, or an actor of a different ethnic origin? Well, one simple reason: THEN IT WOULDN'T BE JAMES BOND. There's nothing stopping anyone creating a competing series (whether it be books or films) with a female/black/dog/alien super-spy - and indeed there have been plenty of variations - but Bond is, well, Bond. Same as with any fictitious icon of popular culture.
*Doctor Who is, of course, exempt. As the producers of that very cleverly adapted the central role when William Hartnell's (the original 'Doctor') ailing health meant he couldn't carry on. That said, 'he' has always maintained certain characteristics and I'd be wary of tinkering to much of that just to rock some boat...
^Oh yes - we all would. Never forget the Theron rule of 'speaking for all men'!!!Wait! I have a great idea, let´s just cast Adriana Lima to play Santiago in The old man and the sea, her accent would be so sexy! Why not, male public would for sure go and see it... yeah
I used to really love True Blood, I have all the books.Deborah was one of the few reasons I still put up with the show...she's absolutely fantastic and if the show didn't suck so much ass now...I'd still be drooling over her
Deborah is probably the most drooled over character of that show..:-p As for hollywood redheads go, I think she's even prettier than Amy Adams. But Amy is a real theater girl. :-p
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Also, I Lurve it when you make longer posts.... 
You have much to say!
^I'm all for an interesting "re-imagining" - after all, that's what the recent BBC version is (and a very clever one at that); but doing it for the sake of doing it is just silly.And no, this isn’t hatred, nor is this BBC-Sherlock-is-superior babbling. Up until now I’ve been willing to give it a chance, and when it does air, I’m still going to give it one last shot to impress me with its first episode. But I now know that unless they pull off some crazy switcheroo, I’m going to be disappointed. (I’m not even going to mention the NYC setting, either.)When you lose the point of the relationships between certain characters, and their intrinsic traits, then you might as well just call everybody concerned different names and have done with it. There are enough "brilliant" minds (plus their trusty companions) on current syndicated shows anyway - so this could just add to the pile...
It's like that hoary old argument every time a new James Bond is cast, that why couldn't it be a woman, or an actor of a different ethnic origin? Well, one simple reason: THEN IT WOULDN'T BE JAMES BOND. There's nothing stopping anyone creating a competing series (whether it be books or films) with a female/black/dog/alien super-spy - and indeed there have been plenty of variations - but Bond is, well, Bond. Same as with any fictitious icon of popular culture.
*Doctor Who is, of course, exempt. As the producers of that very cleverly adapted the central role when William Hartnell's (the original 'Doctor') ailing health meant he couldn't carry on. That said, 'he' has always maintained certain characteristics and I'd be wary of tinkering to much of that just to rock some boat...
^Oh yes - we all would. Never forget the Theron rule of 'speaking for all men'!!!Wait! I have a great idea, let´s just cast Adriana Lima to play Santiago in The old man and the sea, her accent would be so sexy! Why not, male public would for sure go and see it... yeah
I try very hard not to forget about it 
Because if there was a poll between Adriana and Santiago as a male version, I´m pretty sure she would win and THAT SAYS IT ALL RIGHT?!
P.S. Bond must be Bond. If he would be someone else, he wouldn´t be Bond anymore. He´s a legend! My father loves him! No one can spoil Bond in my father´s eyes!!
It's not Watson being a female that's the problem.(This is a great thing on it's own!)It's leaving Sherlock a man and the reason behind it.
It truly is looking like it's only for a more (acceptable) Romantic plot.
They are trying to 'fix' a wonderfully perfect relationship that has always had tension between the 2 male leads and make it acceptable, which means casting a woman as a lead instead.
I agree with you that two women would be much better than this actual version - it only screams romance, as you said... and plain one 
I´ve heard that these BBC series of Sherlock were great... and I always loved the relationship between these two, since I´ve read the books as a little girl
I used to really love True Blood, I have all the books.Deborah was one of the few reasons I still put up with the show...she's absolutely fantastic and if the show didn't suck so much ass now...I'd still be drooling over her
Deborah is probably the most drooled over character of that show..:-p As for hollywood redheads go, I think she's even prettier than Amy Adams. But Amy is a real theater girl. :-p
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Also, I Lurve it when you make longer posts....
The only bad thing about Deborah is that she isn't a natural redhead. 
but I can forgive her for that!
aha...I get SO mad sometimes. I try to keep it off bz because I don't want to piss everyone off lol.
It's not Watson being a female that's the problem.(This is a great thing on it's own!)It's leaving Sherlock a man and the reason behind it.
It truly is looking like it's only for a more (acceptable) Romantic plot.
They are trying to 'fix' a wonderfully perfect relationship that has always had tension between the 2 male leads and make it acceptable, which means casting a woman as a lead instead.
I agree with you that two women would be much better than this actual version - it only screams romance, as you said... and plain one
You should watch the BBC's Sherlock, it is quite fantastic!
^She isn't?!! :shock:Deborah is probably the most drooled over character of that show..:-p As for hollywood redheads go, I think she's even prettier than Amy Adams. But Amy is a real theater girl. :-p
The only bad thing about Deborah is that she isn't a natural redhead.
I shall continue to drool regardless...
The only bad thing about Deborah is that she isn't a natural redhead.aha...I get SO mad sometimes. I try to keep it off bz because I don't want to piss everyone off lol.
All moods and conversations are not only welcome, but encouraged
She's a blonde I guess :-D She wears red very well.
sorry for not replying sooner. I was in Downtown Chicago with a friend for AMOK(http://www.therandomact.org/)
We passed out 80 sandwiches to the homeless.
You can read about the wold thing here
http://jaynetrazom.tumblr.com/post/1877856...rducken-amoking
It was freezing and snowing, we were there from 11am till 6:30pm
I'm in so much pain and actually got a cold. Gonna sleep forever now lol
(taken on the train ride home around 7pm. Hat hair abounds)
(haha if you read all the posts, remember those pictures were taken in freezing weather and we were BEYOND exhausted so I look like hell xD)
It's not Watson being a female that's the problem.(This is a great thing on it's own!)It's leaving Sherlock a man and the reason behind it.
It truly is looking like it's only for a more (acceptable) Romantic plot.
They are trying to 'fix' a wonderfully perfect relationship that has always had tension between the 2 male leads and make it acceptable, which means casting a woman as a lead instead.
I agree with you that two women would be much better than this actual version - it only screams romance, as you said... and plain one
So this was in the New York Times
^"They're an unlikely combination..." 
How many times have you heard that old shit as the premise for a crazy mismatched partnership?!!
As with all these 'polar opposite male/female duos' - if they're any good to begin with - then the moment the inevitable sexual tension is broken (as TV execs seem incapable of having such a set-up without it) the show will go rapidly downhill.
And kudos to you for your charitable endeavour. 
Ophelia, it's very nice of you write about your trip. Did you get any new insights from it? Conversations and so forth?
I like how you made cards, too. As for the greater situation, I find the failures of Johnson 'War on Poverty', certain social services, and projects like 'HUD' quite lamentable. Bad situations shouldn't even happen in the first place. The neoliberal labor structure of the US economy just makes the situation even more intractable. However, drawing to my personal understanding, I do believe that the US system will notably improve in the longer term. But it won't happen any time soon.
There were times in US history..where economic growth reached nearly 10 % and there was a chronic labor shortage. It was during the second world war and the heady buildup during the 50s. I have always leaned towards being an optimist when regarding the condition of human beings, their abilities to build organizations, and their adaptive & creative capacities as well! Adjustment will be fragmented, but it should happen.
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On a lighter note, I do wonder what you look like w/o glasses.
Oh, and Karlie got an Ophelia Wig...she saw it to admire your hair-sense and decided to adapt :-D
You should watch the BBC's Sherlock, it is quite fantastic!
Everyone keeps telling me this! When do they air it? I need time 