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"No god zone" 
"...le pays de la liberté, de légalité et de la fraternité et aussi du fromage!" ... et du saucisson aussi 
http://www.glamourma...ictorias-secret
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"Everyone should be able to express themselves and you shouldn't be killed if you do, but we're responsible for that," she said. "When you let people come to our country and then leave them alone, what's going to build there? Anger. So you put them in prison? Then they'll get more angry. It's a war of religion. I feel like we're going back. I'm not sure I want to have a child in this world; it's fucking scary. If you think too much about these things you don't want to be here."
I thought Laetitia was smarter 
Clearly these problems are socio-economic, the precedents of which led to the uprisings in 1968.
Does nobody read Sartre in France today? Or Derrida, or Deleuze?
If there is no alternative to such reactionary wisdom, then not just France, but the whole of Europe is doomed 
AND hasnt enough time passed already to have a grown ups' discussion on the cultural avant-garde in Europe?
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1833-the-red-flag-and-the-tricolore-by-alain-badiou
A child of the rebellious leftism of the 1970s, Charlie Hebdo became – like many intellectuals, politicians, ‘new philosophers’, impotent economists and various jokers – a both ironic and feverish defender of Democracy, the Republic, Laïcité, freedom of expression, free enterprise, sexual freedom, the free state… in short, the established political and moral order. There has been a proliferation of this type of renegade – as spirits grow old across changing circumstances – and in themselves they’re not of much interest.
More of a novelty is the patient construction of a domestic enemy of a new kind – the Muslim. Such an effort began in France in the 1980s, and has proceeded by way of various truly criminal laws, pushing ‘freedom of expression’ as far as the painstaking control of people’s clothes; new prohibitions concerning the historical narrative; and new cop series on TV. It has also advanced via a sort of ‘left-wing’ attempt to rival the irresistible rise of the Front National, which since the Algerian war practiced a frank and open colonial racism. Whatever the variety of causes we could discuss, the fact is that the Muslim – from Mohammed to our own time – became Charlie Hebdo’s ‘bad object of desire’. Mocking Muslims and making fun of their mannerisms became this declining ‘comedic’ magazine’s stock in trade, a bit like how a century ago Bécassine made fun of the poor (and at that time, Christian…) peasants who came from Brittany to wipe the arses of the children of the Parisian bourgeoisie.
"More of a novelty is the patient construction of a domestic enemy of a new kind – the Muslim" - IMO the same as the invention of the abstract social identity of....... (completely disregarding the enormous ethnic, national, cultural differences) in inter-war Europe, by the far right with all its disastrous consequences that haunt human memory till this day
Personally, IDGAF about what brand of metaphysical delusions people subscribe to (to clear a misunderstanding, VAST majority of people dont, its just a part of their sometimes shared history, but thats not the point), but surely it cant be used as an excuse to obfuscate or preclude the discourse on racism, or broadly speaking social inequality that people ought to be having instead?
Of course, some forget a well known historical fact; the very menace of extremism that lot of us complain about virtually didnt exist before 19th-20th century. It in fact coincided with colonial expansion, later in some instances, a manifest failure of decolonization. It would be wise for some of us to re-read what Sartre had to say about the state of "liberté égalité, fraternité, amour" in France during the height of Algerian War. I dont entirely agree with it of course. But I fear the former 'colonies' are once again about to be plunged in that circle of violence (Look at the emergence of failed states, eg Libya right now). Consider this an exercise in memory 
Only for adults!
http://1libertaire.free.fr/Sartre1961Fanon.html
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/1961/preface.htm
oh la la! too much to answer now!
"No god zone"
"...le pays de la liberté, de légalité et de la fraternité et aussi du fromage!" ... et du saucisson aussi
Et du pâté!
"No god zone"
"...le pays de la liberté, de légalité et de la fraternité et aussi du fromage!" ... et du saucisson aussi
Et du pâté!
...Et des cornichons ET du Cacolac :brows: 
oh la la! too much to answer now!
Its a fashion site, hun
Anyway, I was just trying to make my point why Charlie Hebdo's sketches could be considered racist, in the worst sense of the word. Sure, Charlie Hebdo does have its precedents, but they are Germany 1930s and Yugoslavia 1990s, NOT 1968 as some naive people like to emphasize 
oh la la! too much to answer now!
Its a fashion site, hun
Anyway, I was just trying to make my point why Charlie Hebdo's sketches could be considered racist, in the worst sense of the word. Sure, Charlie Hebdo does have its precedents, but they are Germany 1930s and Yugoslavia 1990s, NOT 1968 as some naive people like to emphasize
Charlie Hebdo racist ... You should know that people who are making C.H. are almost all communists, and in France communists are like one of the heart of anti-racism, but i know in the US racism doesn't have the same sense than in Europe or France at least... I never liked C.H. i never bought it... but we can't say they are racists IMO God, i'm defending C.H. now, that's the proof that everything happen
oh la la! too much to answer now!
Its a fashion site, hun
Anyway, I was just trying to make my point why Charlie Hebdo's sketches could be considered racist, in the worst sense of the word. Sure, Charlie Hebdo does have its precedents, but they are Germany 1930s and Yugoslavia 1990s, NOT 1968 as some naive people like to emphasize
Charlie Hebdo racist ...
Oh dear, I know about CH's prior ties to communism I dont deny that. At the same time I'm also pointing out the radical shift that took place in their.......say political orientation 
Did you read Badious piece? You know he used to be a Maoist. Anyway screw the communists, fascists liberals and the rest. just read his piece originally published in French.
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2015/01/27/le-rouge-et-le-tricolore_4564083_3232.html
^ Of course in my side i don't deny that communists can be racist too as every ideology... but i mean, Islam isn't a race lol so... i don't know how we can tell that the satirs of C.H. are racists...but maybe i'm wrong cause i don't know that much C.H. ...
One can bend political or social categories to one's liking everybody knows that. These days, one often hears some Jewish folks labeling their dissenting brethren as 'self hating Jew'
Sounds really bizarre, but lot of people belonging to many social groups like to play with these categories.
But crucially, The socio-political climate of France in which CH was publishing their stuff would dictate whether they were racist or not.
try this:
If Trotsky, for reason known only to himself, decided in 1938 to draw and distribute cartoons depicting Moses counting money, what would any sane person call that? Epitome of evil, thats what!
But Trotsky has been, in the end, the "victime" of a certain idea of racim from "Jugashvili" so ... How ironic lol
I forget Trotsky's background
Lets try another Bolshevik in that hypothetical scenario instead. Kresintsky? 
^ Later maybe Communism is good in his museum lol
http://www.glamourma...ictorias-secret
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I thought Laetitia was smarter"Everyone should be able to express themselves and you shouldn't be killed if you do, but we're responsible for that," she said. "When you let people come to our country and then leave them alone, what's going to build there? Anger. So you put them in prison? Then they'll get more angry. It's a war of religion. I feel like we're going back. I'm not sure I want to have a child in this world; it's fucking scary. If you think too much about these things you don't want to be here."
Does nobody read Sartre in France today? Or Derrida, or Deleuze?
If there is no alternative to such reactionary wisdom, then not just France, but the whole of Europe is doomed
AND hasnt enough time passed already to have a grown ups' discussion on the cultural avant-garde in Europe?
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1833-the-red-flag-and-the-tricolore-by-alain-badiou
Yes you are right, what's happening is France is a socio economic problem(s)
We let the young ones and especially the ones whom are from the immigration (their parents mostly) thinking they were not really French by treating them like second hand citizen. "You don't look like us, your religion is not the same and you do not fit into the beautiful French Republic" if you are not happy go back in ur country! But hey, France is their country!
When the politics, school, the republic, family and the people has fail into the integration of an entire generation, I think there is a big problem in the country of the equality and the chances for all?
When you don't know where you belong too, you go towards the ones whom pretend to understand you & make you see "the truth & the way" with a religion. But a twisted one filled with hate. It's a shame that men and women that were raised under the French national motto "liberty equality fraternity" have for only option to become Islamic and terrorists. And now the extreme right is raising higher & higher in France, and I can sincerely tell that I am very afraid of what is going to happen in 2017
And no, I am afraid nobody is reading Sartre in France today. Most of teenagers I know, do not even know who Victor Hugo is
oh la la! too much to answer now!
Its a fashion site, hun
Anyway, I was just trying to make my point why Charlie Hebdo's sketches could be considered racist, in the worst sense of the word. Sure, Charlie Hebdo does have its precedents, but they are Germany 1930s and Yugoslavia 1990s, NOT 1968 as some naive people like to emphasize
Charlie Hebdo's sketches are so not racist. They can be seen like that by certain categories of people but they are clearly not. Anti religion? Yes absolutely! Anti clergy? Double yes! Misogynistic? Yes, most of the time. But, racist? No never.
And as jj, I wasn't a reader of Charlie. No my type of humor. And I am sorry Muslims in France (or every where in the world for that matter) can't have a little bit of sense of humor about their religion.
Well they drew Jesus and the Pope in awful situations and they also had problems, so I guess humor is not made for religious people.
Pity :notsure:
I see your point. In theory you're right, but actual social circumstances around CH provide very interesting insights into French society.
Still, I just wanted to share what Badiou thinks about CH. Because he's every bit a communist now, as he was back in 68 There's tonne of other leftists who kinda agree with him, that it was more about race than religion. I myself havent been to France so I cannot claim to be an expert on French society
I am not an expert on French society either I must admit! I am just afraid of what's happening right now in France. Hate and racism are sky rocket and even if you have millions of people with good intentions, u can't beat evil with a pen in a hand and good intentions -well, maybe if you are Gandhi but there is only one Gandhi-
I read this never ending article Badiou wrote and I agree with him on few things and the other things are like water off a duck's back to me, it sliiiiiiides. Not because I don't understand but because philosophers are way into philosophy (lol at that great thinking) and not really into the reality of things.
I am not an expert on French society either I must admit! I am just afraid of what's happening right now in France. Hate and racism are sky rocket and even if you have millions of people with good intentions, u can't beat evil with a pen in a hand and good intentions -well, maybe if you are Gandhi but there is only one Gandhi-
I read this never ending article Badiou wrote and I agree with him on few things and the other things are like water off a duck's back to me, it sliiiiiiides. Not because I don't understand but because philosophers are way into philosophy (lol at that great thinking) and not really into the reality of things.
Thats all due to wrecked national economy ->austerity. Its called corporate fascism
Let the Troika have its way and there's nothing stopping the whole Europe ending up like Spain, Hungary
Hi Hun! Thanks again for the birthday wishes 
