The 2016 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show Pinned
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3 hours ago, PastaFreak said:The long debate about models, lol. But I have to agree about one thing, that models like Elsa sell the brand better to the the Asian crowd. Someone like Adriana would have less influence in the Asian market because her features are much more sultry and bombshell while Elsa attracts the eyes of Asian viewers, because her features are much more exotic, soft yet still sufficient enough to maintain a sexy vibe. Even Alessandra and Josephine to that extent.
Alessandra and Adriana are the best two comparisons you have. Adriana is the bombshell, and Alessandra is your timeless beauty. Even on stage, Adriana had always have more presence than Alessandra. But Alessandra always stood out more as the feminine, gorgeous one. Not saying either one is unattractive, it's just that a VS model with softer features yet capable of maintaining a sexy vibe will capture the attention of Asians much so than the typical bombshells you'd consider is the standards in the Western world.
Adriana, Stella, Martha, Lily and maybe, Lais will not capture the eye of Asians. Someone like Taylor will be a massive hit with the Asian crowd tho.
I guess it just falls down to the perception of beauty in Asian culture. There are times where I like Adriana, because she can really capture your attention, but it doesn't mean she's always the best standard of what VS can present. Even if she had the largest fanbase, Adriana is still very situational beauty. And the same is for Candice. Each model has her own personal attraction. But at the end of the day, the Western and Asian crowd have very different standards of beauty.
Candice would be an amazing candidate for the Asian market along with Elsa and Jo. Ale is way too severe in the face and her body proportions have had poor reception in Asia. Taylor wouldn't do so well with the Asian crowd...the eyebrows will be too much. She has a babyface but there's also a very strong angularity or severity that comes out in pictures.
Miranda would be amazing too if she was still with VS..
8 minutes ago, gotportugal said:Really?
You think I am BSing??? 
8 minutes ago, katchitup said:So, how much longer do you think CBS is going to stick with the show? Perhaps cut it out of TV and do straight up streaming on the internet?
No matter what happens VS wins 
However, I think a change in formatting, perhaps a change network as well, and have both TV and online streaming would slightly help. But let's be honest, VS and the Angels are not as relevant anymore to the general population.
^ Agreed. No matter how low the ratings get, VS is getting advertisement they wouldn't without the show. I think a change in network, ABC maybe?, would do it some good. They could overhaul the creative team when they did that too.
3 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:
No matter what happens VS wins
IMO I think even cutting TV out of the equation wouldn't help or hurt. If the cut out TV completely with agressive web advertising I bet they could get that TV viewership back with # of streaming views.
But TV ad revenue is big, I get that. I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return?
7 hours ago, MB729 said:I'm 22 and I couldn't disagree with you more. If anything, The women that actually look like mature, sexy, adult women are the largest draw to the show for me. I don't want to see teenage-looking girls in lingerie because I'm not a teenager nor do I want to look like one or find that appealing. I'd rather aspire to look sexy, fierce, and confident like the Adriana's and Alessandra's of the show. I don't want to see a bunch of girls that look like they should be in high school classes with my little sister.
As for "no one your age" being attracted Adriana... who do you know?! Genuinely curious, because I don't know a single person in my age group, regardless of gender that isn't attracted to Adriana or doesn't find her beautiful. There's a reason she was the only model in the entire lineup to trend worldwide during the show and trust me, it's not because no one's attracted to her. She's most certainly not the problem with VS. If anything, she IS Victoria's secret and she's holding them together.
And say what you will about Lady Gaga but two things trended during the show: Adriana Lima and Lady Gaga. No other model, no other performer. And while Lady Gaga's new leaf she's turned may not be as popular as her music of the past (truthfully, I hate it), to say she's not "mainstream" isn't fully accurate. She's still a star in her own right, even if her light's a little dimmer now than before. She's been on a popular TV show with a cult following, she's working on a movie with Bradley Cooper, she has her own cult following, and she's a performer that actually has a genuine love and appreciation of fashion and the creativity of it. She's an entertainer through and through.
VS has a lot of issues, but Adriana and Lady Gaga weren't either of them.
Her following being gay twinks, I don't see why VS featured her.
Unless...
^
Just now, katchitup said:IMO I think even cutting TV out of the equation wouldn't help or hurt. If the cut out TV completely with agressive web advertising I bet they could get that TV viewership back with # of streaming views.
Regardless it is an hour long promotion and commercial. That is more exposure most brands get in one year. If they did both TV and online they would reach more people and increase exposure.
1 minute ago, PinkCouture said:^
Regardless it is an hour long promotion and commercial. That is more exposure most brands get in one year. If they did both TV and online they would reach more people and increase exposure.
I edited my comment above,
I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return?
Streaming is key. I mean they did it in 2000 and for back then it was major so I'm surprised it hasn't already happened.
2001 is such an iconic show. Everything was perfect. My fav runway walk of all time is Tyra coming out after Fernanda as the stage turned pink and there's this strong song and she just stomped down.
Just now, katchitup said:I edited my comment above,
I guess what I'm wondering is when does CBS say they are spending too much and aren't getting enough viewership in return?
I agree it is all on CBS. Even if they dropped VS, VS could easily find another network or avenue for the show. I am suspecting there might be some sorta contracts involved and when that contract ends both parties will re-evaluate things 
Also someone mentioned ABC as a good network. I disagree. Back in 2001 yes but now not so much. ABC are under Disney and their programming now I don't think they'd air the VS show at all tbh. NBC would be a better fit.
Just now, Kevork89 said:Also someone mentioned ABC as a good network. I disagree. Back in 2001 yes but now not to much. ABC are under Disney and their programming now I don't think they'd air the VS show at all tbh. NBC would be a better fit.
I don't think ABC would be a good network. It just happened the best year was on ABC but that doesn't mean VS should have stuck with ABC. Of all the major broadcast networks I do agree NBC is the best choice
Doesn't ABC skew female more than the other big networks (not including the CW)?
6 minutes ago, Siemgi said:Her following being gay twinks, I don't see why VS featured her.
Unless...
Gaga have girls in her following too you know 
and i'm sure there are a lot of gay fans of the VSFS and i know some of them watched the show because of Gaga
I rewatched 2001-2014 in the past few days. The concert formula and easygoing walks with finger pointing and dancing really took off after Gisele left! It's basically the staple from 2010 and forward.
Gisele has a killer, strong, fluid walk and so does every single girl before 2010. Carmen Kass was one of their HF girls but she has boobies and a round butt! Those shows are so much sexier and cohesive. The whole "It's my time to shine! I'm going to walk alongside this superfamous musician like I'm walking to the bathroom at a club and then come up with a nifty pose at the end of the runway" reminds me of those amateur fashion shows in small town malls. The girls from the Gisele era are more like "I'm a hot b**** and you want what I'm wearing."
I don't have any favorite. But I do have favorite segments. 2005: sexy toy, sexy santa helpers, 2006 winter wonderland of glacial goddess 2012; Dangerous liaisons , silvers secret angels, 2013: Parisian Night 2014; university of pink 2015: Ice Angel.
I finally watched the show today and (for me) it was better than 2015 and 2014 shows. Somehow the energy seemed better. And this year I liked some of the music and performers. Still not a great show. Like everybody said it felt rushed. Also I really miss the days when all the Angels had 3 outfits...
My favorite Angels were Adriana (Queen
), Elsa (her opening was great, better than Behati and Candice), Jasmine, Sara and Jo. And other favorite models were Irina (such a goddess), Grace and Kelly Gale. None of the others stood out...
Last good show for me was in 2013 (Parisian nights) and I could watch some of the older shows (2003-2008) over and over again... this one doesn't feel like that, but it's still an improvement from the last year's show.
18 minutes ago, modellight said:I rewatched 2001-2014 in the past few days. The concert formula and easygoing walks with finger pointing and dancing really took off after Gisele left! It's basically the staple from 2010 and forward.
Gisele has a killer, strong, fluid walk and so does every single girl before 2010. Carmen Kass was one of their HF girls but she has boobies and a round butt! Those shows are so much sexier and cohesive. The whole "It's my time to shine! I'm going to walk alongside this superfamous musician like I'm walking to the bathroom at a club and then come up with a nifty pose at the end of the runway" reminds me of those amateur fashion shows in small town malls. The girls from the Gisele era are more like "I'm a hot b**** and you want what I'm wearing."
Hahaha so true, it is a very good metaphore
But sorry even Adriana fell for the 'cheap' walk.
44 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:
You think I am BSing???
No, not at all. Just surprised about the 2015 opening thingy.
Thought it was so lackluster.
38 minutes ago, ceceshores said:^ Agreed. No matter how low the ratings get, VS is getting advertisement they wouldn't without the show. I think a change in network, ABC maybe?, would do it some good. They could overhaul the creative team when they did that too.
No, ABC is freefalling audience and ratings-wise. NBC though, they are winning at it at the moment.
36 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:^
Regardless it is an hour long promotion and commercial. That is more exposure most brands get in one year. If they did both TV and online they would reach more people and increase exposure.
The VSFS will never not be a good idea for VS. It's their main yearly publicity, but as long as they aren't completely dependent on it.
31 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:
I agree it is all on CBS. Even if they dropped VS, VS could easily find another network or avenue for the show. I am suspecting there might be some sorta contracts involved and when that contract ends both parties will re-evaluate things
CBS will def want it, but it depends if Ed is still in charge when they decide the contracts. Ed would stick to CBS and further not improve the show
30 minutes ago, Kevork89 said:Also someone mentioned ABC as a good network. I disagree. Back in 2001 yes but now not so much. ABC are under Disney and their programming now I don't think they'd air the VS show at all tbh. NBC would be a better fit.
ABC is not that good at the moment but they do have a good source of cash with Disney-Marvel as their owner. NBC has the advantage of having good marketing and possibly the strongest lead-in right now, This is Us (this show its high on its 9th episode, since it's 2016, that's amazing).
37 minutes ago, ceceshores said:Doesn't ABC skew female more than the other big networks (not including the CW)?
It does, but I think the CW doesn't really skew female anymore considering is now full of superhero shows.