General Discussion

So what's the current take on Patreon content. I know in the past we've had a pretty hard line when it comes to it, but I thought thought was more because Genevieve Morten and Rachel Cook had thrown fits about their content being posted. I don't know of any other complaints coming from celebrities or photographers, but I do know that we've been getting a fair amount of reports about alleged content coming from Patreon.

I usually try and do a quick look to see if it is readily available on other sites, and if it's not I hide it so we can see what content has been removed, but I'm not sure how you all want to proceed going forward. Do we continue to stand behind the policy that no Patreon content is allowed, or do we let it slide unless we get a complaint about it?

My understanding was that no content from the platform was allowed? I've been deleting everything I've seen because better safe than sorry. 

It is quite stupid they expect things not to spread all over the internet tho o.O

3 hours ago, Clauds said:

My understanding was that no content from the platform was allowed? I've been deleting everything I've seen because better safe than sorry. 

 

It is quite stupid they expect things not to spread all over the internet tho o.O

That was my understanding too, however if the content is all over the internet already I don't see the point in deleting/hiding post.

So do we continue on the trend of just deleting it, or do we take a look around and if it's available elsewhere leave it unless we get a complaint? It makes the rules a little ambiguous for the members, but if we don't have the content people will go elsewhere.

I personally think what PC said is correct. If it's available elsewhere we should just leave it unless we get a take down notice, or message from the Photographer, Publisher or Model. On top of it not all the Patreon content has legal disclaimers saying the images cannot be distributed.

I think that is a good solution as well. Just leave it until we get a take down notice, for now seems like the only two off-limits are Genevieve and Rachel C

On 3/10/2020 at 1:49 PM, phenobarbie said:

I personally think what PC said is correct. If it's available elsewhere we should just leave it unless we get a take down notice, or message from the Photographer, Publisher or Model. On top of it not all the Patreon content has legal disclaimers saying the images cannot be distributed.

On 3/11/2020 at 4:46 PM, Clauds said:

I think that is a good solution as well. Just leave it until we get a take down notice, for now seems like the only two off-limits are Genevieve and Rachel C

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don't think we should have to check to see if the content is posted elsewhere. Of course If anyone would like to still do that then feel free but I don't think it is our responsibility. It is the poster's responsibility and [poor] judgement to post the content knowing very well that it is frowned upon and against Patreon's policy. Obviously if we get a notice or message from the owner/distributor of the content we should take it down.

So at this point moving forward unless we get a take down notice we're going to allow Patreon content? Half of the creators don't even have legal disclaimers so I think it's probably safe to assume that if they don't reach out to us we can allow the content. Personally, I feel if we create a blanket ban of the content without that communication from the creator we're potentially going to fall behind the curve of other forums or platforms and lose traffic.

Also, am I good to create a sub-thread in here where we can list who has provided proof of identity as well as what threads/images have had take down requests so it's easier for all staff to find?

IDK if we should allow the Patreon content, the only celebrities that I follow that use Patreon a lot are the queens from RPDR and they all get really upset if you share the content and have gone after people for re-posting elsewhere, from what I've seen, not even Reddit people are sharing the content. It could be because it's a smaller community where everyone knows everyone but it is a pretty big deal there, not sure how it is for models/photographers. I've never used it so I'm not sure of their general guidelines and legal rights.

It's paid for content, but so are magazines technically and we have scans all over the forum. I've looked at a couple different Patreon accounts that have have images posted and I've only actually seen one that had a legal disclaimer and that was Treats.

I'm not saying we should ignore take down requests by any means, but I think if we just blanket state we won't allow Patreon content we will fall behind the curve and traffic will go elsewhere where these images are being posted. Maybe I'm wrong

I understand, and I think it's bullshit that in this day and age people expect content to not be shared and re-shared everywhere o.o. 

I went to Patreon's website and this all they've got on sharing their content, basically they leave "creators" to fight for themselves  based on this, I think we should green light their content and just make a public list of requests from people who have asked for the content not to be published here (Genevieve Morton and Rachel Cook are the only two I can think of) and let everyone know that we're allowing the content but will delete if requested. 

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Adding to the list of models who requested their threads deleted: Terry Madenholm. She PMed Enrico asking to taking the thread down, I reached out and she sent me an ID picture.

I've seen lots of discussion pop up about the new Patreon policy all over the models threads.

Whilst I have no issues with the discussion itself, it shouldn't clutter the dedicated model threads.

I've already deleted a very long exchange about nothing other than Patreon from Carmella Rose's topic.

I would suggest we gently guide users to keep such content out of the model threads (since there are other subforums enough where they can discuss whatever they like including the Patreon policy). Especially since it seems to be a sensitive subject that quickly devolves into flame wars.

I have a question, I just saw the report for Kristina Pimenova's thread, it was reported because she is 14 or 15 at the moment  so she is underage, however, we have no rule saying we can't have threads for underage models that I'm aware of. While I do think it's a bit creepy that the fashion industry is obsessed with literal children, the reality is a lot of models start working indeed when they are 14 years old, Kaia Gerber has had a thread since 2015 and she just turned 18, Toni Garrn, Bregje Heinen, Jack Jagaciak and Frida Gustavsson all had threads at 15yo, and I'm pretty sure the threads for Barbara Palvin and Taylor Hill were also opened around the time they were 15 or 16. Thylane also got a thread when she was awfully young and it's a very similar case to Kristina, she begun modeling when she was a child and became sort of famous when she was like 8.

So where do we draw the line for when it's okay for a model to have a thread? Again, I think it's creepy to have a thread for a 10yo and it's even creepier that these girls are doing bridal stuff when they are children but we should have some sort of rule for this IMO because with social media, the girls/models/influencers are just getting younger o.o

We had a similar discussion a few year back and below is what we decided. We could definitely revisit this discussion if necessary.

I do see your point and agree there is an element of creepiness to this, however like you said this is common in the fashion industry and even more common with the rise of social media. I think with most social media platforms you need to be at least 13 yos (or at least claim to be) to join. As long as the posts have no provocative content, nudes, or anything of a sexual or questionable nature, I guess it would be ok to keep Kristina's thread. We would just need to monitor that thread closely.

I have been locked out a few times by cloudflare when I do too many page requests in a short period of time.

To keep an eye on things, I often times open like a dozen or more topics simultaneously. Now when I do that, I occasionally am locked out for a short period of time, getting cloudflare messages when I refresh.

It's really annoying and it never seemed to happen in the past.

More of the same. It's really annoying. I am used to opening like a dozen topics at once, which never used to be a problem until very recently.

On 6/17/2020 at 12:34 AM, SympathysSilhouette said:

 

More of the same. It's really annoying. I am used to opening like a dozen topics at once, which never used to be a problem until very recently.

Hmm strange, never seen that before but I will take a look to see if there are any settings i can adjust. 

13 hours ago, maddog107 said:

Hmm strange, never seen that before but I will take a look to see if there are any settings i can adjust. 

Really just reiterating I guess, but it would appear we have a few other members experiencing similar issues to @SympathysSilhouette

I only have it when I open lots of topics simultaneously, which I guess is the point of the cloudflare protection.

But it's really annoying when you are trying to keep an eye on lots of topics in a short period of time.