Member Management

Hey Pink, I don't think that was Joe's intention.

But the situation really is a mess. I don't think we'll find a good solution, unless someone will track those two down. But I'm not eager to follow them through the topics, waiting for them to behave badly, you know. I just don't feel we have enough "facts" to ban them. If someone would keep a close eye on them, reminding them to behave as soon as their making trouble and if they continue to make trouble nonetheless, this could lead to a temporarily ban or - and perhaps this would be more effective in their case - there's the "Enforce moderator preview of all new posts" option, which will be very annoying for us for sure, but perhaps bring them to their senses if they can't respond immediately ...

Oh, and I wouldn't mind bringing whatever decision we find to their attention.

Hey guys, I came across this thread:

http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?showtopic=31520

Since he's not advertising and it's quite fitting in the Sports section, I didn't want to delete it. But I wanted to edit the sig because of the link. I went to the profile and saw, that Lady Fatale already edited the sig. So I thought, haha, funny, we must've seen it at the same time. I went back to the thread and saw that there still was the link in the sig. So I went back to the profile, edited the sig again, went back to the thread and still, the msds link ist still there ...

Userprofile from ukawa14: http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?showuser=38617

Danni brought this to my attention via PM:

I will send the rest of this pics shortly. But, since your a mod, thought you might want to check out this user

http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?showuser=60413

I think she is user Maiya, they right the same, like exactly same models and actresses.. I don't know. Seems fishy, specially since she feels she is getting attacked by members.

Maiya & BlackSwan's ip.

166.147.72.30

75.104.192.54

I did some looking and they're both from the same location.

She's obviously Jade, but I assumed we let her slid because she had a mental problem or something .

I just jokingly threw in the gone soft because I remember you making a happy face emoticon when you banned some members, so I assumed you had a change of heart . That's not to say you were a villain then or too soft now per se. I definitely don't have a problem with banning anyone who's a nuisance regardless of how popular they are. In this case, I figured I'd give it to you since you for the I told you so rights since you were the one that suggested it initially...

http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?act...amp;pid=2333301

...and it was dismissed after I made a case against it. The only thing is that though my case turned out to be true, she then became guilty of other and worse things. Around that time, I then tried to distance myself from the issue somewhat because I didn't want my now sour relationship with her to be seen as clouding my judgement. The only problem with that is that even aside from her multiple accounts, I keep getting messages from ILUVAdriana and others about how she's harassing someone. I definitely don't mind being the heavy as I don't really interact with her fanclub anyway, so being the villain in their eyes won't bother me. The thing is, either long suspension or bannishment is the only thing fair to those that we banned for much less. All I want is the official staff vote. I'll perform whatever is voted on and endure the full weight of the outcry and consequenses myself.

Thanks CarMelita, and I agree that there's not clean solution although I think Lu is the one that we don't have enough evidence to punish. I really don't think they're the same person. She is the one that has multiple accounts and keeps being reported. It would be one thing if only one person complained, but she's reported by people who I've never seen complain about a member for anything other than advertisements. I personally think the best thing to do is give her a long suspension until we come up with the best possible solution .

^ Who is Jade again? Sorry, too many members to keep track of

I am sorry if you misunderstood my "happy" smilie or it was miscommunicated. Sometimes with banning spammers I use a "happy" smile as indication of acknowledgement, and that the task has been completed. I guess the interpretation of smilies are subjective.

It is not about you, me, or whoever being the "villian". We are technically a team here--we sink or swim together. No one should ever feel they are alone, however that's how I feel at times. I wasn't attacking you or anyone. I was just expressing how I was feeling. I rather be open and honest than passive or avoidant.

Anyways, with the whole LMS/SL situation banning or suspension is just a temporary fix. They will just come back and do the same thing again (perhaps even more). Also, like I said before with our IP Ban System klonking out, it makes it tough to prevent serial "account openers".

Yet another piece to add to the drama pool. I finally got around to checking my PM's and I got this from COP

I'm using Lexus's computer btw in case anyone says anything about it.

LMS has been cybering with ILuvAdriana. And they're getting off with each other!! Lu sent an e-mail telling me all about it.

I gave adolf000000 a warning through PM after deleting a couple of posts of hers in which she just bashed models in their own threads.

I have not yet raised her warn level, but did mention in the PM that this would happen upon the next instance of this behavior.

Just mentioning it here in case you guys notice more of this nonsense from her.

The fact that so much of this issue takes place in messages makes it evern more difficult. I don't think Lu is a reliable or objective source on the subject though. I don't however see grounds to punish him even though if she's punished he'll likely cause enough trouble to then warrant it. People will continue to register again, but I guess that's just part of the game. In this case, I don't think the one in question is smart enough to disguise their personality. If everyone's not on board with bannishment, it's possible that in the case of someone who posts so much that a long suspension could get the point across.

This last person has always been crazy which I guess comes with the territory of that awful username, but she's definitely one to keep an eye on.

Also, I didn't take what you said in a negative way Pinks as there was a long stretch of time where you were forced to be the heavy . I didn't necessarily think you were cold by any means, although the smiling expression did kindof scare me somewhat into thinking maybe I could be next . Hearing you say that it was just an indication of the job being done just brings home the point that a lot can easily be lost in translation obviously .

Anyways, with the whole LMS/SL situation banning or suspension is just a temporary fix. They will just come back and do the same thing again (perhaps even more). Also, like I said before with our IP Ban System klonking out, it makes it tough to prevent serial "account openers".

Do we have info about when the IP Ban will work again? Is it just temporary?

I gave adolf000000 a warning through PM after deleting a couple of posts of hers in which she just bashed models in their own threads.

I have not yet raised her warn level, but did mention in the PM that this would happen upon the next instance of this behavior.

Just mentioning it here in case you guys notice more of this nonsense from her.

And right you did, I PMed her about a case or two too some time ago, so next she'll get a warning. This is one member I really don't like, I've seldomly read anything nice coming from her, so I felt a little too biased to raise her warning level.

So what about "Enforce moderator preview of all new posts" of LMS' and Sweet Lu's?

I'm not at all familiar with the aforementioned ban filter, but I guess if we can't stop them coming back then it's simply a case of 'better the devil you know'.

If the filter is fixable, then I can't honestly say I'd miss them if they were suddenly gone. Beyond the occasional mild disagreement, I've yet to have any problems with them directly, but they seem to really annoy other members and at times, their asinine whinging and fuzzy logic has lowered BZ's collective intelligence level considerably. I also feel like we may be overestimating their popularity a little, as many of the complaints we've had about them have originated from supposed friends of theirs. I honestly think that their absence would inspire others (who perhaps might have felt excluded in the past) to gradually drift back to us and assume the 'social mantle' of the forum.

Yeah, that's true .

As to the mod preview thing, I never understood that feature . The way I interpret it, their posts are invisible and you would have to literally read all of them to determine whether to make them visible or not. Even despite the fact that they post so much and it takes everything I have to not put them on ignore as it is, it seems like a waste of time to me. Also, even though he's not one of my favorites either, I don't see any grounds for punishing him necessarily.

Haha, and wouldn't that be funny if they post invisible posts and have to wait until one of us is nice enough to approve ...

I never used the function, I thought we would get a PM or something. To hunt for their invisible posts all over the forum is really too much to ask for.

Well then, should we suspend the two of them for a week and PM them, that various members continuously complained about their behaviour and we give them a one week vacation to think about what to change about their attitude or something?

Anyways, with the whole LMS/SL situation banning or suspension is just a temporary fix. They will just come back and do the same thing again (perhaps even more). Also, like I said before with our IP Ban System klonking out, it makes it tough to prevent serial "account openers".

Do we have info about when the IP Ban will work again? Is it just temporary?

I think MD is in the process of fixing.

For awhile the Mod Preview was also klonking out. Not sure has that been fixed yet

The fact that so much of this issue takes place in messages makes it evern more difficult. I don't think Lu is a reliable or objective source on the subject though. I don't however see grounds to punish him even though if she's punished he'll likely cause enough trouble to then warrant it. People will continue to register again, but I guess that's just part of the game. In this case, I don't think the one in question is smart enough to disguise their personality. If everyone's not on board with bannishment, it's possible that in the case of someone who posts so much that a long suspension could get the point across.

Well then, should we suspend the two of them for a week and PM them, that various members continuously complained about their behaviour and we give them a one week vacation to think about what to change about their attitude or something?

A suspension of some sort might be a good temporary solution. Based on what ILUVAdrianaLima has told me it seems LMS is the main culprit of all the defamation. Maybe she should get a more "severe" punishment than Lu? Not sure what though.

Also, I didn't take what you said in a negative way Pinks as there was a long stretch of time where you were forced to be the heavy . I didn't necessarily think you were cold by any means, although the smiling expression did kindof scare me somewhat into thinking maybe I could be next . Hearing you say that it was just an indication of the job being done just brings home the point that a lot can easily be lost in translation obviously .

I am sorry to hear you felt scared. I would not do anything without good and logical reasoning---not an impulsive person.

A suspension of some sort might be a good temporary solution. Based on what ILUVAdrianaLima has told me it seems LMS is the main culprit of all the defamation. Maybe she should get a more "severe" punishment than Lu? Not sure what though.

Maybe a week for LMS and just a very serious warning for Sweet Lu?

I was never scared or thought you irrational, I was just trying to lighten the mood with a little humor .

I think at least a month's worth would have to do it. Obviously with someone who posts so much, a week would seem like a long time though .

I think with a month's suspension she'll sure as hell make a new account. A week is long enough to annoy the sh..

it

out of her, but short enough not to get tempted to try another profile and get further into trouble.

It will seem like a long time to someone that posts that much. Of course, I'll just throw out there in general that if we get into the habbit of making decisions about punishments based on the likelishood of starting new accounts rather than the severity of the infraction, we'll take the power out of our hands and put it into theirs. Eventually, we'll lose respect or rather even more respect and come off as being afraid of high profile members. The suspension idea is only because it seems everyone isn't definitively on board with bannishment, but it should be made clear to her that if she does start another account during the course of a suspension that bannishment will be the automatic result with no turning back. There was a member named blessthefall that started a new account almost every day at one point . The staff won because it takes more effort to post than it does to ban and he eventually gave up on it as a result. Its really no different than banning spammers everyday and quite frankly, it takes a lot less effort to ban someone every other day than it does to read several paragraphys of lenghty complaints in pms and such.