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Wtf?! I didn't know he was that screwy in the head. He's very Appleauto in his love of Candice, but at least she doesn't try and contact her! omg... O.o

Here's what happened. I sent a PM to Claudia asking her why she basically freaked out at him, waiting to hear back.

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(Bregje's thread)

BAST
Really, she has a money sign tattoo behind her ear? That is the kind of stuff that gives me reservations about her. I have no issues with tattoos, not even models and tattoos, but out of all the cute little tattoos she could have done, she picks a money sign.

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TexasLongHorn2013
Thats a lil judgmental Bast...give her a break.  I don’t see the harm in a small dollar sign.

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fyrdok
I'm with "Bast". Little scary, but hey, that's girls these days $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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MissLimaVzla
I wouldn't see any harm on it it wasn't because the only persons I've seen with $ either tattoos are pimps, strippers or hookers.

I think Bregje is beautiful with a killer body and good face, she has a lot of potential but I feel like her PR/agency needs to slap her so she gets her shit together and start promoting herself the right way. Not that I want her to be Disney star as it was mentioned, but brands these days do want their spokespersons to be good role-models and avoid controversy that could backfire.

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Bast
^I agree. I don't care if she is a saint or not, but I do wish she was more tasteful, because she is beautiful, and she does have an incredible body, but that is all downplayed by her lack of class and elegance. I mean, a money sign is about as classy as a tattoo of the playboy bunny sign. The way she presents herself is very important, and that stuff may not bother everyone, and I know it's not hurting anyone, but I do think it will hurt her career, and it hurts her appeal to me lol. So I agree with MissLima, someone needs to slap some sense into her so she will stop all this gaudy/tacky crap.

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TexasLongHorn2013
^ I still think you’re being too tough Bast.  From her Instagram pics, I can tell she is down with hip hop culture and the like.  The tat is small, subtle, and out of the way.  If it was big and on her back or something to that effect, I would agree with you.

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Bast
Models are not normal people, they make a living off of their outside appearances, and TexasLongHorn I agree with you in the sense that the tattoo is not all that bad, but I was not just referring to the tattoo. It's all the similar stuff that she does that gives me reservations about her. You mentioned she is down with hip hop culture, and she expresses this on her Instagram, and a lot of that is what I am referring to. That stuff is tacky for her in my opinion. She wants to be a respectable fashion model right, not Nicki Minaj, so as MissLima said, she needs to get her shit together and start promoting herself the right way. Ultimately I really do think she could go far as a model, but right now she is handicapping herself in my opinion.

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Schemer:
The dollar sign comes from fandom of rap clique A$AP who I believe she is a huge fan. The most prominent member of that group is A$AP Rocky. I think she even dated one of the dudes from that group. That's when she got that tattoo. She posted few pictures of him on her IG account but later deleted them. They were quite unflattering tbh. He also had a couple pics of her (one of them was very...hmm..interesting).

But Bregs is young and should live her life the way she wants to.

Btw. I once read somewhere that she looks as if Candice and Lily D. had a baby together.   And it's true, she really looks like a mix of those two.

Oh, and yes, she should've been at VS show. No doubts about it. One of the best bodies in the business.

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Talisa
So basically you guys hate her for being around black people?

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Schemer
Huh? No I don't and I never implied that I do.

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TexasLongHorn2013
Thanks for pointing that out Tallsa. That is the vibe that I am starting to get from some of the posters.  It may not be implicit, but some of the comments regarding hip hop and her choice of friends/boyfriend/lifestyle are certainly implying those feelings.  And I don’t think I am being paranoid as a black male.


This was the last place I would have thought to find bigotry.

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MissLimaVzla
Yeah I'm still trying to figure out how a dollar sign and PR have any kind of relation with black people/racism ... ? What was said was that she handles her public persona like shit. I don't see anyone mentioning her friends, boyfriends, etc? You people have some imagination o.O

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Texaslonghorn
In the criticism that Bregje has been getting recently, there definitely seemed to be an undertone of hip hop (a form of black culture as we all know) equates to a trashy lifestyle and bad public relations.  A small dollar sign tattoo (easily hidden and likely gotten to show affection for someone she cares/cared about) equates to pimps, strippers, and whores?  Really?  Last time I checked she was an elite model, at an elite modeling agency, and does some of the best work out there.  Her work for VS is almost second to none, except a few at the very top.  Like it has been said, it was a true crime that she did not walk this year as she had the previous two.
 
@MissLima: You people?  Really?  Really?  Tolerance must be pretty low in Venezuela these days.

Anyway, if there was overreaction/misinterpretation, you all certainly have my apology and I’m glad to know no one feels that way.  I’d like to think that here at BZ we are all apart of one big world family and are color blind to race/ethnicity and respectful of one another’s cultures.  Legit criticism, personal critiques, and personal opinions are the right of everyone.  

Back to what we do best.  Praising beautiful women.

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MissLimaVzla
Are you fucking kidding me?
You are major asshole, there is absolutely no reason at all to bring my country into this. I don't know who the fuck you think you are with that kind of bullshit.

So go DIAF and don't ever dare mentioning my country again because you really have no right to do so.

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TexasLongHorn2013
First of all, who are you cursing at skank?

Secondly, the only asshole here is you, by a long shot.

Third, I am a man with thought and opinions, and have a right to mention any country/subject I wish.

Fourth, I’m just responding to your comments and calling them like I see em.  If you don’t like eat s_ _ t and die.

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MissLimaVzla
Seriously? Calling me a skank? How old are you? 12?

My comment never ever ever was in any way shape or form related to any country so for you to bring up my country it's a major asshole move and has no reason to be mentioned here. So no, you have no right to mention my country in this particular situation. Especially when your 'thoughts and opinions' have no base.

It's not my fault that you're an idiot and felt like bringing up a subject that has absolutely nothing to do with Bregje or anything that was being discussed here.

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Avika
Since when saying "You people" is rude?

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TexasLongHorn2013

Oh, I had worse words in mind, but wanted to stop the escalation and prevent a flame war.  But, if you wish I can go further?
My comments come from my perception of you.  You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
Idiot?  Far from it.  Take a look in the mirror, before you question my intelligence.

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MissLimaVZLA
Oh sweetie, I give crap about what you think about me. You don't even know me so if you want to on a full spree of words feel free to
But when you start talking about my country it's a completely different thing. You have absolutely no right to do so because you don't know nothing about it so that's where your 'intelligence' is put to doubts.

I am done with this, I don't do stupid discussions over nonsense

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TexasLongHorn2013
The last word is yours.
 

^ WTF!? Ay-yi-yi-yi   Both of them are definitely not innocent. The way Claudia phrased her comment was a bit rough and I could understand why it might not have been well-received However, there was no need for him to attack her the way he did and call her a "skank"

BTW, just got another PM from him:

Why does he want your approval of this Martha thing? I can do my best to send him packing if you'd like lol

Something about him screams "we've seen him before". I'm sorry but he doesn't type the way he presents himself a man. He reminds me of a girl.

Can I just say that BZ has gotten really really weird?

Not that it ever was not weird, but a different kind of weird than I remember from its early days.

I think the younger generations have been trained to think it's okay to say whatever they want; whenever they want - via social networking, and on a forum that kind of behavior is hard to balance... Yes we're free to speak our mind, but just how far can they speak it? What one person considers pushing the boundaries of bad taste - stupidity - rudeness, others might see it as okay, or not that big of a deal. So who's right and who's wrong? If lets say you and Joe  come down on someone that you feel is in the wrong and I or Pinky look at them as being an idiot who's done no real harm or foul other then be a little bitch... what do we do? How do you staff that.

Hell it's gotten so bad on BZ that I've taken to treating them like a retarded child who couldn't cross the street without getting hit by a car so they need mommy to hold their hand, and of course what 19 year old angsty young adult wants to be parented? None of them... but with the way they behave and express themselves... someone has to parent

Everyone is so quick to disregard each others thoughts and opinions, quick to temper and argue every little point till they're "right", quick to obsess and even stalk other people (again thanks to social networking). No one thinks with common sense anymore or sits back and thinks about what they're saying before they say it (that verbal diarrhea), and sadly it's not going to get better.

So weird, yes, but normal .... sadly

Yup, retarded children...

^ *sigh* but so true *sigh*

Why does he want your approval of this Martha thing? I can do my best to send him packing if you'd like lol

Something about him screams "we've seen him before". I'm sorry but he doesn't type the way he presents himself a man. He reminds me of a girl.

I think it's his way of trying to be buddies with me. He obviously has ulterior motives. The fact he attacked me & insulted my intelligence, edited his post, and a week later is being super nice to me as if nothing happened, is shady. I guess he thinks b/c he edited his post his incriminating words are out of sight out of mind

Now that you mentioned he could be a she, he does remind me of another member. The member's name is something like lovechiclife. they are both Candi fans. The things they flip-out about and the way they flip-out are very similar

Can I just say that BZ has gotten really really weird?

Not that it ever was not weird, but a different kind of weird than I remember from its early days.

Has it gotten more weird? I always thought it's b/c we've matured and have different perspectives on things. Also, there are more communication options now for people to express and convey themselves.

I think the younger generations have been trained to think it's okay to say whatever they want; whenever they want - via social networking, and on a forum that kind of behavior is hard to balance... Yes we're free to speak our mind, but just how far can they speak it?

 

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Everyone is so quick to disregard each others thoughts and opinions, quick to temper and argue every little point till they're "right", quick to obsess and even stalk other people (again thanks to social networking). No one thinks with common sense anymore or sits back and thinks about what they're saying before they say it (that verbal diarrhea), and sadly it's not going to get better.

Internet communication is often indirect and informal. You don't always get to see & "know" who you are communicating with. There is also a sense of anonymity b/c chances are you won't ever meet who you are talking to, and it is very difficult to truly track and verify a person's identity. With that said, I think the internet has created a culture of callousness, unaccountability and lack of ownership for one's actions, behaviors & words. Social media only encourage this. Like you said, people say whatever they want and whenever they want. The consequences for bad behaviors on forums, comment boards, etc. are usually insignificant. The worse that could happen is they get banned but there are ways around this. I am willing to bet most of these little shitheads who troll & etc would not dare to behave this way in real life b/c they know they would have their asses handed to them.

As for how far someone could speak their mind, as they say "Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins."

What one person considers pushing the boundaries of bad taste - stupidity - rudeness, others might see it as okay, or not that big of a deal. So who's right and who's wrong? If lets say you and Joe come down on someone that you feel is in the wrong and I or Pinky look at them as being an idiot who's done no real harm or foul other then be a little bitch... what do we do? How do you staff that.

The only thing anyone could do is use your best judgement and do the best you can. I am not sure what other options there are or if there is even one If anyone has any suggestions, input or a more concrete answer, please share

Hell it's gotten so bad on BZ that I've taken to treating them like a retarded child who couldn't cross the street without getting hit by a car so they need mommy to hold their hand, and of course what 19 year old angsty young adult wants to be parented? None of them... but with the way they behave and express themselves... someone has to parent

So wrong but so true Actually I've worked with a lot mentally retarded people. Believe it or not many of them are more logical and  stable than some of the members here 

I work at the The Sonoma Developmental Center which is the largest state-run facility in California for people with developmental disabilities and I've also been the manager of group homes for high and low functioning patients and I can say without a shadow of doubt that my residents are better behaved, have more common sense, and the ability to convey their own feelings without coming across as total dicksheads compared to most of these people. lol

BZ members are like f*cking potatoes

If the people on BZ haven't taught me anything else, I'll be able to say they taught me to appreciate regular life more . That is aside from the fact that I can't smell people's flatulence online. I can smell BS figuratively though obviously, but no physical discomfort comes from it at least.

Pinky and I have been talking privately about this and we wanted to get your opinions on the matter.

Is wendylorene  LMS?

wendylorene
- Once a quiet member who rarely posted in two years has done a totally 180 in the last month and has become posting fanatic status worthy. 10k posts in a few weeks... This is the exact same m.o as LMS

ILuvBarbaraPalvin also made mention of it in PM with me:

I was checking out Martha's thread and they way those 2 back each other is very reminiscent of the past days of you know who
Plus someone needs to tell wendy to slow down...wasn't she at 10,000 posts literally a few weeks ago

It very much looks like her. She started posting gifs now that look like her style to:

Here is a Nina gif I made that is to good not to share

modelsandtherunway.tumblr

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Baron

...or does wendylorene NEED TO BE STOPPED?!?! 

300+ posts a day is most unhealthy anyway   - but when only, what, 5% (being generous) are actually of any value..

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MissLimaVlza

As for Wendy, I did notice that too. She used to be all quiet and stuff and now is posting non-stop in like every damn thread. It id kind of weird how she changed her MO so suddenly. Not sure about it being LMS again, i went to the other forum where LMS is a member and she isn't posting there ... But then again, LMS only started posting there once she was banned from BZ so IDK.

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And I noticed how often Wendy and TexasLongHorn follow each other into threads ... again very LMS and her BFF buddy - Sweet Lu.

Recently Texas and Wendy have begone posting in Adriana Lima's thread... who we all know they're in love with.

Now lets look at location:

• Gender:Female
• Location:Florida

Both Wendy & LMS from the same state...

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Now onto what Pinky has mentioned which only adds to it.

I have not noticed wendylorene and Texaslonghorn being chummy but that could be b/c I don't go into every thread they post in. Something I have noticed about wendylorene (and Texaslonghorn too but I will get to him later) is her posting patterns don't match up with who she claims to be. She claims to be a teenage girl and she definitely acts like one, but for a teenage girl she is online quite often especially during hours when most teenagers are at school. I took a quick look at her IP addresses, and none of them are from mobile devices so that omits the possibility she is using a mobile device while at school to surf online. The two ISP she uses are: Time Warner Cable and Lux Communications, LLC. Lux is a ISP for businesses & government affairs. Also, I have noticed she is suddenly making a lot of gifs.

It is similar with Texaslonghorn. He claims to work at a law firm and has implied he is a lawyer. For someone who surfs online during work none of his IP addresses are  from a corporate ISP nor do they indicate he is using a mobile device. I guess the law firm he works at could be using a common ISP but I am a bit skeptical about this. The two main ISP he uses are: AT&T U-verse and AT&T Internet Services.

Whether they are LMS & Sweet Lu or not, there is definitely something shady about these two. Or it could be people online often do seem shady. Either way I think it is worth keeping a watch on them.

BTW, I think we have discussed this before but I am more convinced than ever rafsecret is dreamss.

I will defer to the rest of you to decide whether or not they are LMS & Sweet Lu. To be honest I am not sure b/c during LMS'  "glory days" I was on my BZ hiatus. I didn't have enough interaction with LMS & Sweet Lu, nor did I have much of an opportunity to really observe them in action, to make a more concrete judgement. What I do know is she is most likely not who she claims to be. I also want to add I know she is not home schooled b/c she has mentioned numerous time how "school sucks." She also mentioned recently how she wasn't able to go to school b/c she was sick.
 
I think both of them are getting way too comfortable and losing track of their lies. I am just waiting for them to slip up so they fall into the graves they dug for themselves. At the rate they are going I have a feeling it is going to happen very soon. Not sure who will fall in first. I am incline to think it will be the dude from Texas b/c he seems more hot-headed but Wendy doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon in the box. So we will see.

As for rafsecret, I don't have any concrete evidence she/he is dreamss except they have identitcal posting styles. I checked rafsecret's IP addresses and they all seem ok. The only thing that is kinda odd is he/she has IP addresses from NZ and Bosnia although they don't fluctuate constantly. For awhile it was a NZ IP address, then for a brief time period Bosia and now NZ again.
 

What do the rest of you think about all of this?

First off nice detective work.

Secondly, is there a way for us to be sure that does not involve one (or both) of them messing up badly?

It’s definitely a sharp shock to see a previously quiet member suddenly making 300 posts each day. Given enough rope, I’m sure they’ll eventually hang themselves.

Secondly, is there a way for us to be sure that does not involve one (or both) of them messing up badly?

That depends how we would like to handle the situation and what is it exactly we would like to do? There are many ways to approach this.

It’s definitely a sharp shock to see a previously quiet member suddenly making 300 posts each day. Given enough rope, I’m sure they’ll eventually hang themselves.

I agree (Y)

I am pretty sure Wendy knows we are onto her b/c she posting less today (which isn't saying much since it is still a lot) and when she is posting she is reposting stuff just for the sake of it (maybe to PIP) when I have told her not to

She has grabbed the stool to reached the rope

EDIT: I spoke too soon. She is posting like crazy now

 

The two ISP she uses are: Time Warner Cable and Lux Communications, LLC. Lux is a ISP for businesses & government affairs. Also, I have noticed she is suddenly making a lot of gifs.

I just checked LittleMissSunshine's IP and it used to say she was using an ISP based out of QVC and now that same ISP is with Time Warner.

Interesting Wendy and LMS share the same ISP... Rope just got very tight.

Continent: North America (NA)

Country: United States   (US)

Capital: Washington

State: Florida

City Location: Riverview

Postal: 33578

Area: 813 ISP: Time Warner Cable

Organization: Time Warner Cable

So do we want to give her a explanation right before banning her or do we want to just straight up ban her and not waste our time with giving her an explanation? It a matter of telling her we are removing the stool or surprising her by just removing it

EDIT: I found some stuff to further confirm she is not who she claims to be. Notice the discrepancies among the profiles:

http://www.mylife.com/wendyawesome

http://www.mylife.com/honeynieniebuster

http://www.mylife.com/honeynienie

A school with a P.O Box address!?

http://www.reunion.com/fl/palm+coast/palm+coast+christian+school/

Actual location of her school

Pinky you like to grab by the balls and twist don't ya! I love you.

Personally I'd start off by saying that she's posted so many repeats we're getting complaints.... then trail off with sorry, try harder next time. Banned

She'll cry a little, go back to posting at her other forums, bitch about this place and be back in 6 months to try again.

At least it's a semi clean break..

Or just ban her without word...

Your call babe

Hello Wendy,
 

The staff has received numerous complaints & reports about your sudden post increase, number of reposts you have been making, and suspicious behaviors you have been exhibiting. The staff has done extensive research into your account & posts. We have found evidence that violates BZ's No Trolling rule. Violation of this rule is an automatic ban.
 

~BZ Staff

If people ask about the specific evidence we might want to tell them in private so it is easier & faster to nab her again (if she has no clue what exactly we found she would probably make the same mistakes again) if she does come back.

If she is indeed LMS, I give her 3 months to be back but I wouldn't be surprised if she already has a dormant or inactive account here.