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What friendships are you referring to, Maui? I had not even heard of that member until she PMed me... 
But more broadly speaking, it does strike me as odd to criticize a member for threatening to leave in the hope of getting her way and then threatening to leave as a mod yourself.
Her message reads more as your typical member throwing her toys out of the pram and acting all innocent after having being called out on her BS.
In other words, it must be Monday again! 
Pinky's compromise is perfectly reasonable and takes the problem off your hands. I don't see why you would interpret it as a personal reproach directed at your moderating.
What friendships are you referring to, Maui? I had not even heard of that member until she PMed me...
But more broadly speaking, it does strike me as odd to criticize a member for threatening to leave in the hope of getting her way and then threatening to leave as a mod yourself.
Her message reads more as your typical member throwing her toys out of the pram and acting all innocent after having being called out on her BS.
In other words, it must be Monday again!
Pinky's compromise is perfectly reasonable and takes the problem off your hands. I don't see why you would interpret it as a personal reproach directed at your moderating.
1) I was not referring to you, and I do not feel that anything would be gained by naming names.
2) I did NOT threaten to leave. I said that if PC wants me to resign as moderator, I would comply. I do not want to leave Bellazon. I will continue to post, maintain my many threads and continue to create new ones.
3) I was merely asking if my moderating was being questioned. Asking for clarification is my right; whether or not you agree with my "interpretation."
4) I never said PC's "compromise" was unreasonable. I said that I would refrain from moderating Liika because it was not worth my agitation.
I hope those above points clarify your understanding of my position.
If I wanted to question your moderation, I would do just that. As far as I can tell, none of the other staff members have criticized your handling of this situation, so...
Also not sure what you mean by putting compromise and interpretation between quotes. Do you not consider Pinky's solution to be a compromise?
And do you deem your own reading of the facts as the absolute and only truth?
In terms of not naming names, that is rather unfair. If you bring up the fact that personal relationshps might be clouding the judgment of some other staff members, it is in your own interest to share this with the impartial staff members (like yours truly). Do it via PM if you are not comfortable discussing it in the open on here.
If I wanted to question your moderation, I would do just that. As far as I can tell, none of the other staff members have criticized your handling of this situation, so...
Also not sure what you mean by putting compromise and interpretation between quotes. Do you not consider Pinky's solution to be a compromise?
And do you deem your own reading of the facts as the absolute and only truth?
In terms of not naming names, that is rather unfair. If you bring up the fact that personal relationshps might be clouding the judgment of some other staff members, it is in your own interest to share this with the impartial staff members (like yours truly). Do it via PM if you are not comfortable discussing it in the open on here.
Those words are in quotes because you used them; nothing more, nothing less. I do not consider PC's solution a compromise; it is a cooling off period. I still need clarification of whether or not she feels that Liika deserved a warning. Her opinion will facilitate my moderating decisions in the future.
Of course, you are entitled to your interpretation. I never intended to present my interpretation as the absolute truth. However, since my interpretation is the gist of my concern right now, that truth is what is relevant to me.
I still do not feel that it is right to name BZ staff members whose friendships with members MIGHT cloud their moderating decisions, because I am not certain that this is indeed the case. I was merely raising the question. One of a series of questions I posed. Thank you for your response.
1) I am not requiring you to do anything. All I am suggesting is for you two stay away from each other because there is obviously tension and perhaps a personality clash. When there is an issue involving her or if she is violating a rule, let another staff member know and let them deal with it. As SS said, I am trying to take the problem off your hands.^ 1) You are requiring that I do not have any further contact with Liika until the “dust settles.” That is not a problem, because I had pretty much decided that I will never again moderate her posting behavior, because it is simply not worth all the “agita”.
2) So, you see this issue as one of misunderstanding due to personality conflicts, and not as one of a recalcitrant member attacking a moderator for issuing her a warning for an infraction. I can only assume that you do not agree that Liika deserved a warning. This apparent lack of confidence in my moderating decisions leads me to question whether I should continue as a moderator. If you want me to resign, I will do so immediately.
3) Liika makes it sound like she notified Joe of my alleged harassment, that he agreed with her and reprimanded me. As a result, I backed off from “bullying” her. To set the record straight, Joe never contacted me and he never got involved with this conflict between Liika and me.
4) This latest conflict with Liika raises several questions for me. Liika demands that I must be removed as a moderator, or she will leave Bellazon. Am I the only one who is concerned by Liika’s “it’s either the moderator or me” ultimatum? How is it possible that a member has developed a conviction that she can threaten to leave unless a moderator whom she disagrees with is removed immediately. Why does she believe that she can behave as she pleases without impugnment? As I indicated earlier, I believe that Liika has become “too big for her britches.” We must ask why this has happened. Could her friendships with some BZ staff members be fueling this attitude?
2) Honestly I am not sure does deserve to be officially warned or not because I don’t know the whole situation. Based on what she has told me she has been reporting her displeasure to JA. However you are telling us JA has never confronted you regarding this so it makes things more confusing. Please know this by no means indicate my lack of confidence in your moderating abilities. In fact I have praised you many times on how much I appreciate you hard work and commitment to BZ. If you feel she should be warned I will support you in the decision. Same as if you want to resign I would be sad but respect your decision.
4) If you read my response to her carefully, I said I appreciate her contributions b/c she does contribute a great deal. However if she feels leaving BZ is the only way to resolve the issue she is welcome to go---I will understand and respect her decision. I was well aware of what she was trying to pull with the BS ultimatum. Observing her interactions with other members, and how she decided to start a thread whining and bitching, I knew she was not as innocent as she presented herself to be. BTW, I did let her know starting the thread was a bad move on her part.
As for the friendship thing, her and I rarely communicate. We have exchanged a few PMs in the past about yoga but that’s about it. I have no personal issues with her. She might be pals with other staff members. I don’t know. I obviously cannot speak for other staff members.
3) I was merely asking if my moderating was being questioned. Asking for clarification is my right; whether or not you agree with my "interpretation."
No, your moderating was not being questioned
Thanks Pink,but your answer gives me the impression, that my request will not be fulfilled.
If MK's 5000 posts..(or should i say RE-posts,because i know every INCH of the males forum,and i know very well hes doing only reposting of old stuff,which i dont see the point of that...,however,)if his 5000 ''posts'',and permits himself deliberate ''mistakes'' against me,in his position as moderator is more important to the rest of the staff ,than mines
20 000 posts,and never ever insulted/harrass/did harm to a member of BZ... then I just...dont want to be here....
Thanks for your reply
At this moment your request will not be fulfilled because it is not deemed necessary. This has nothing to do with post number. It is solely your assumption.
Are MK's reposts within the last 5 pages? The guideline is to check at least 5 pages back for reposts before posting. Do you feel he is not doing that? if so I will remind him.
I have provided an option for you of not having any interactions with him. Just to clarify, if you come across an issue with MK you may contact another staff member who would gladly assist in examining the situation. Unless you have another suggestion that is within reason, I am not sure what else I or any of the other staff members could do.
As I said in my previous post, if you feel there is no reasonable solution to the alleged insults and harassment except leaving BZ, you are welcome to do so. I understand and respect your decision.
I have to say that in general, I have little respect for people who use the "if you don't give me what I want, then I'll leave!" threat. 
You are a more patient person than I am Pinky, I have to stop myself from using the "don't let the door hit ya on the way out" response. 
If we started removing staff members just because a member has personal issues with them, we would be out of a staff by weeks end.
If a moderator is universally loved, he or she is likely not doing their job very well.
I have to say that in general, I have little respect for people who use the "if you don't give me what I want, then I'll leave!" threat.
You are a more patient person than I am Pinky, I have to stop myself from using the "don't let the door hit ya on the way out" response.
If we started removing staff members just because a member has personal issues with them, we would be out of a staff by weeks end.
If a moderator is universally loved, he or she is likely not doing their job very well.
I whole heartily agree with SS.
She is not doing herself any favors by getting other people involved. Just got this PM:
Hey Pinks I have been talking to liika about her issues with MauiKane that I'm sure you are aware of too by now. I just wanted to say that I have been friends with her for years and for her to come to me and talk of this really says a lot considering the fact she is always one to mind her own business and just contribute what she can for the site. I've heard multiple cases on how he keeps harassing her and it sort of leaves question marks for him. Now I don't know this mod and I can't really bag on him but I hope you take this message into consideration considering I do know liika and she wouldn't bother to share unless she knew she felt trapped.
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Yes the number of posts matter doesnt matter,my point was other....
Yes he have reposts withing 5 pages.Yes he make threads that are already made for example.
I am not trying to set him up,i am just pointing out his offsets.
And was just trying to show you that he have some issue with me,and if that attached pictures below doesnt prove it,then idk how to convince you in it.
The nagging starts 1.jpg from june 2011!
and those are just some of the messages i got.
I mean how many issues i have to came across,for someone to take action,different than just ''hey MK,dont do that...''
And more important,why no one else from the staff didnt respond to my complaint,as i can see few of them online...
I am very disapointed.
Thats it i guess,justice will not prevail ...
This was my response to liika's PM (refer to previous post). I omitted some parts b/c it is irrelevant to the issue and as a respect of privacy:
I understand you are feeling frustrated, upset and hopeless. I hear you. But please don't let your emotions cloud judgements & actions. The way you are approaching the whole situation is not doing you any favors. In fact you are giving the impression you are not as innocent as you present yourself to be, and that your sole intention is to stir up tension & drama. The more you do, the more you are making it worse for yourself. You don't want that. So please stop & take a step back to breath. Stop getting other members involve who has nothing to do with the situation. Stop with the empty ultimatums and the games. Just stop. I know we barely know each other and probably will never met but I am telling you from one human being to another, don't do anything that would work against you especially b/c of someone else. You have to think, on the grand scheme of things does this really matter? Does this really impact your life? Are all these negative emotions worth your time & energy? I know it is easier said than done but try & do your best.
MK already agreed from this point on he will not initiate any communication with you. If he comes across any concerns regarding you he will let another staff member know. In order for this to work and for any type of resolution, I need you to do that same. You do not initiate any communication with him, direct or indirect, and if you have any concerns let a staff member know. Do not respond or retaliate when an issue comes up. Go straight to a staff member. Keep it simple. Whether justice prevails or not is not your, or anyone else's, place to decide. Let it be and move on.
If you still want to leave BZ you are more than welcome to. We are done with this. No more complicating situations and doing things that don't serve you well.
When we discussed the situation initially, it was my assumption that they were just two alphas of the dude model forum that didn't like each other . I didn't feel that I had grounds to confront Maui seeing as how liika had no formal warnings and the thread tomb hasn't since worked, so the links to the deleted posts didn't work on my end. On one hand, I could understand feeling powerless against a staff member, but on the other hand, she never had any warnings and still doesn't. I admit that I only frequent male model threads for moderating, so the situation is still not totally clear to me. Overall, it just looks to me like two people don't get along and one happens to be a staff member. In such a case, the fear of bias punitive action is always present whether it ever takes place or not. For such reasons, it is always best to defer to an outside party when things feel personal. I myself had to defer when it came to the racist members (like Spinnancer) to try to stay impartial, but its never foolproof. I can't say that I can relate to this situation as I've never been in this type of situation. I do think that liika can be a tad rude at times, but is an upstanding Bellazonian citizen and that isn't to say that her faults exceed mine by any means. Both members seem to be decent enough and are the lifeblood of the dude model section, but I think the previously presented solution of them having no further conversation and problems with Liika being presented to others is the best solution. *edit* She had sent me another message when I was in the country, I'm back in the city now. Surely this can be resolved.
In other news, I move to issue a burn notice for Danni Cullen in the Repost Police thread. A recent accusation supported my suspicion that she edits old posts in order to make some posts appear to be reposts so that she can be seen as having 'discovered' said picture. Though there's obviously no rule against such, it obviously cannot be encouraged 
. Until or unless anything further is known, it seems to me that her requests for such should be denied. She's obviously a regular contributor, but there's obviously some immaturity on that end of things. Actually, any of her requests outside of changing the name of a topic may need to be taken with a grain of salt. I sent her a message to put it all on the table.
^ Do you mean she edits her old posts with new content from other members? I was thinking recently how much she has matured and less inclined to start drama since she returned from her hiatus. I thought too soon 
Dear lord, why would anyone occupy themselves with such nonsense?
Some people have way too much free time!
This informal warning I issued liika in Clint Mauro's thread was deleted:
Reminder: Bashing of models or celebrities is not allowed. The only reason you are not getting a formal warning is because your offensive comment was generic and not aimed at specific models. The type of model you denigrated, is a vital part of the fashion industry, so posts about them are legitimate and welcomed.
Respecting other members' posts is an essential requirement to being a responsible member of the Bellazon community.
Did any of you delete it? If you did, please let me know, and expIain why. I would have appreciated a discussion about this issue, before an apparent arbitrary decision to remove it.
The only pictures I've ever deleted in the guy forum were pictures with dead links or posts edited to only leave a period. I still don't care for the use of the word arbitrary in there . It seems inconceivable to me that one of our staff would delete a post without good reason.
This was her response to my message...
Of course I listen to you.I have never really posted in repost police before
maybe once but then i always post if a topics is merged i put everything reposted in delete posts so avoid empty posts cause i thought it would help bz server. Heck i put my own posts in there.
i can see the confusion because most things i post that are reposts are from my own topics but some of my topics have been merged with no mod who merge them bother to check for reposts so its like a page of reposts from last page.
^ Joe, the deleted post I am referring to is my informal warning to Liika; and not deleted photos. I guess I can infer from your statement that your did not delete the informal warning in question.
Even if a staff member removes another staffer's post for what he or she feels is a good reason, I would hope that a discussion of the rationale for the post's removal occurs. A compromise or collaborative solution would hopefully ensue.
Something I noticed about trends is his bio on tFS and his bio here are different. So I decided to take a look at his account. Note the date, times and locations:
Trends (27 January 2013, frederickdavis19@yahoo.com)
184.210.63.231 (used 1, registered with this IP)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
United States
174.147.185.51 (used 1, 2/21/14, 11:29 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Charlotte Hall, MD
184.240.51.239 (used 1, 2/21/14, 10:03 AM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Florida
184.240.19.183 (used 1, 1/26/14, 6:34 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Fort Myers, FL
174.147.119.170 (used 1, 1/26/14, 1:56 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Walnut Cove, NC
184.240.2.230 (used 1, 12/20/13, 05:59 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
N/A
184.240.168.143 (used 1, 12/20/13, 02:58 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
New Smyrna Beach, FL
70.8.70.40 (used 1, 11/20/13, 01:28 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Oakton, Virginia
72.59.191.67 (used 1, 11/20/13, 8:49 AM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Martinsburg, West Virginia
184.240.230.158 (used 1, 11/20/13, 2:28 AM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Melrose, Florida
108.112.164.160 (used 1, 11/16/13, 1:15 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Tavares, Florida
184.240.127.75 (used 1, 11/10/13, 11:21 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Orlando, Florida
108.112.58.147 (used 1, 11/10.13, 08:52 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Florida
99.205.89.203 (used 1, 11/1/13, 01:48 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
United States
70.8.169.233 (used 1, 11/1/13, 11:57 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Fort Belvoir, Virginia
173.136.62.148 (used 1, 10/21/13, 01:49 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
United States
108.112.211.98 (used 1, 10/21/13, 09:52 AM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Ocklawaha, Florida
108.118.116.199 (used 1, 09/14/13, 09:46 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
South Carolina
108.112.33.234 (used 1, 09/14/13, 08:55 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Pierson, Florida
173.137.42.178 (used 1, 09/14/13 06:54 PM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Organization: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Decatur, Georgia
174.147.212.166 (used 1, 09/14/13 10:17 AM)
ISP: Sprint PCS
Services: None detected
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Washington DC, United States
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I also took a look at Bast's account. Not sure is this something we need to be concerned about
Bast ( 15 May 2013, treyklamm714@gmail.com)
70.94.94.53 (used 1034, registered with this IP, last used: 2/23/14, 11:29AM)
ISP: Time Warner Cable
Services: None detected
Type: Broadband
Assignment: Dynamic IP
Lenexa, KS
198.228.201.155 (used 2, last used: 7/20/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna, JazzyJas
198.228.201.146 (used 1, last used: 7/20/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna, JazzyJas, superRDF
198.228.200.45 (used 1, 7/19/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna
198.228.201.161 (used 2, last used: 7/19/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna, JazzyJas
198.228.201.143 (used 1, 7/18/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: JazzyJas, MV007
198.228.201.176 (used 1, 7/17/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna
198.228.201.166 (used 1, 7/17/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Bronx, New York
Share IP With: Savanna, oxford25
166.147.104.21 (used 2, last used: 7/8/13)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Columbia, MO
Share IP With: champagnebrulee
Here are the IPs he has used in February so far:
166.147.104.22 (used 2, last used: 2/17/14, 12:30 AM)
166.147.104.31 (used 4, last used: 2/16/14, 10:16 PM)
166.147.104.46 (used 5, last used: 2/16/14, 3:06 PM)
166.147.104.48 (used 6, last used: 2/15/14, 12:57 PM)
166.147.104.27 (Used 7, last used: 2/14/14, 11:51 PM)
ISP: AT&T Wireless
Services: Confirmed proxy server
Type: Wireless Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Columbia, MO
Looks like bans need to be given... (Trends/Bast)
I know I've had my suspensions since day one.
Wow o.o
Savanna lives in NY, so she's most likely be connected to the same wifi spot.
^ Savanna - I don't think she is trolling b/c I know at least 2 members who have met her in person and could verify her identity. Also she was on a reality show, so yeah 
JazzyJas - She had a rough start with following the rules, but after sometime she got the hang of things and has not cause any issues ...not that I know of. I think we should hold off on banning her but keep an eye on her.
MV007 - Just took a quick look at his posts. Nothing alarming. I think we should hold off on banning him but keep an eye on him as well.
oxford25 - Awhile back someone reported her for multiple accounts suspicion. I forgot about it until now With the exception of occasionally posting in the wrong thread and getting baited into Anti-Leo arguments, she usually follows the rules and is overall a low-key member. I will look into her account soon. Might take awhile b/c she has A LOT of posts 
champagnebrulee - Sensed something odd about her since day 1, but i think we need to observe her more until we decide to ban her.
It is obvious Trends and Bast are trolls so I guess they gotta go