Member Management

It is such a shame the situation reached the level it did I agree with Joe, they are both active posters in the Male Model section and both have Alpha personalities that clashed. I also agree there was probably more to the situation than what was apparent. Something tells me this is not the end with those two---more drama ensues. Obviously I hope I am wrong
 
Thanks for clarifying Joe Yes, i meant the specifically the Male Model section. I can't really think of anyone off the top of my head that is active in that section, has a good understanding of the rules and follow the rules pretty well. If anyone could think of someone please let us know I will start looking soon as well

 
Now to Joe & SS' points:
 
1) I think we should consider excusing the following staff members of their duties: Berno, ganymede30324, JoeKnight, Lady Fatale, persuazn, Qball and Ronin.

2) I am not sure could we list past staff members under the current staff member list b/c it is by member titles and site permission/capabilities. I was thinking we could create a new member title for them. Not sure what to call it. Past Staff Member? Honorary Staff Member?
 
3)  What SS said.

Sorry to see MK go

As for the staff clean up, I'm game. JoeA and I talked about this years ago and my position on the matter hasn't changed. The staff tag isn't there to look pretty, they need to earn their paycheck too.

• Berno (love you), but you rarely post outside of VS stuff, and you're really only actively around during the VSFS. Here for a month or less, then gone 90% of the time.
• CarMELita
• Kevork89
• Lady Fatale
• Persuazn
• Ronin
• Qball

As for staff replacements, I know I'm going to be in the minority here, but I think Pheno would be an incredible mod. She's honest, straight forward, excellent with her words, a mom (i.e knows how to deal with temper tantrums), and she knows how to lead a team.  Whitney's been a member her for 6+ years, doesn't get into trouble, tries to engage in conversation and debate, is quick to report a problem if she see's it (and sometimes even fix it) and brings a lot of inside info, content and her scans are beyond amazing.

I'm not voting for her because she's my best friend irl, I'm voting for her because I know she'll get the job done with ease.

I'd add Claudia (MissLimaVlza), but she can be very quick to lose her temper, and as much as I adore Dave, he's so damn passive aggressive about everything it's not even funny. Passive A doesn't rarely gets things resolved.

So my choices for New Staff would be: Phenobarbie, Donbot and possibly Stormbringer

Onto a new title for old staff members. Absolutely! What a nice way of honoring those who helped keep this place running smoothly for years.

And SS point is made and I agree

I'll make my points asap, in the middle of raiding atm.

Raiding? As in, literally raiding?

^ Maybe she is playing a RPG

Aah okay!

 

I'll make my points asap, in the middle of raiding atm.

Raiding? As in, literally raiding?

 

I was playing world of warcraft

RAWR

Thanks for your feedback Pretty
 
I personally think we have too many staff members and most of them are inactive If we excused the ones who are no longer active I think we will be all-set   Also, the staff members we do have are not balanced---meaning we no longer have anyone to moderate the Male Model section. Which is why I think we need to add a Moderator or two just moderate the Guys section
 
I did not include CarMELita on my list b/c I think she is an exceptional Mod (along with LF and Andrea). Part of me is being optimistic she will come back soon---perhaps wishful thinking on my part. I will respect whatever the majority thinks is best

I think Kevork89 does occasionally do minor Mod tasks but I am not sure
 
So far, we have "votes" for: Berno (2), CarMELita (1), ganymede30324 (1), JoeKnight (1), Kevork89 (1), Lady Fatale (2), persuazn (2), Qball (2), Ronin (2)

I spoke to Whit and asked if she would have an issue moderating the guys section, her response: "I can look at guys all day".. #whitgiggle

So I'll still stand behind her. Pheno to mod for Guys section (the gays love her anyways) lol

It'd be best if we add at least one mod who is already quite active as a regular member in there?

Though once again, I am not much help in identifying such a member.

In terms of a non-specific mod, I would co-sign the donbot nomination, though I'm not even sure if he is truly interested?

I do like the fact that he is a levelheaded poster whom I have never seen engage in any negative behavior, even when someone else tried to bait him into it.

He is also very present on the forum and contributes a lot in terms of content.

I guess we should first agree on how many moderators we want to add. Pinky suggested two, which I would agree with. So one poster who is very active in the Guys section, and then another moderator to strengthen the ranks?

^ Thank you Joe for your insightful post

Although I don't think  we need to add anyone new to the staff right now (except for the Guys section), but if we do there is one member I have always thought would be a great addition if we ever do decide to add someone: Matute. He is someone who knows the rules pretty wells, submits a decent amount of reports, is active, and rarely gets involved in drama, and seems capable of staying fair and objective in situations. And to Joe's point, from my knowledge he rarely, if ever, socializes with any of the staff members or other members. He occasionally thank posters but that's about it. He is someone I don't think members would have issues if he became Mod. As for how long he will be around, who knows. We aren't even close to crossing that bridge---in fact the bridge hasn't even been built yet.

I am sure many of us have gotten PMs & etc from members expressing how they feel the staff is cliquey, bias & etc. Regardless do we feel their claims are valid or not, I think it is important we do hear what they are saying and try to understand where they are coming from. Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Back to Joe's point, it might add credibility to the staff's objectivity if we added someone who is not strongly connected to any of us. That is if we do decide on this. When it comes down to it is not about the staff but the overall well-being of the forum and the major component are the members (yes, even the difficult ones). I think we sometimes lose sight of it is the members we are serving. We all on the staff as volunteers b/c we care about BZ and we want to continue to flourish.

Matute is a very good suggestion and he does fit into Joe's idea of someone who could not be accused of being part of any staff clique. (Y)

My issue with Matute is that he doesn't seem to know the difference between reporting something that's actually reportable worthy, and posting something that follows within the guidelines of BZ.

I can't even begin to tell you how many reports I've gotten from him only to go check on the report and sit back wondering wtf it was reported for because in all honesty there was nothing wrong with offending post. I'm fairly certain that if he becomes staff that his gestapo nitpicking ways will rear its ugly head, and might only get worse. Hopefully I'm wrong if that happens.

And it doesn't matter who we add to staff, given the amount of time we spend together, it's only natural we build a close friendship that that backs each other... aka comes across as bias,  and as a result the members will see the new staff as just another person belong to our clique.

If you guys aren't keen on Whitney I understand, but the next logical person for the mod in the men`s section of the forums is liika... like it or not.

She offers the most content, the most activity to the section, the most help and insight, and as much as MK disliked her, I will go on record saying she was a great addition to the men`s section of the forum.

In the years I've had run in's with her and her post, I've never been offended by her, questioned her actions... in fact I rather like her based on what I've seen of her.

Liika's interactions with MK don't fill me with a lot of hope though.

Even if you want to argue she did not initiate her feud with MK (which I cannot possibly judge either way), she was certainly complicit in its escalation.

She strikes me as member who would find it hard to check her ego at the door in her mod-capacity.

I’d be willing to vote in favour of relieving Berno, ganymede, JK, Lady Fatale, persuazn, Qball and Ronin. I’d like to see Carmelita given a stay of execution for now, though. I’m aware that we haven’t seen her in a while, but she was always one of the most level-headed people here and her potential long-term value as a mod (should she choose to come back) would, for me, outweigh any pressing need to remove her from the team. At least for the time being.
 
In terms of new additions to the gang, we might have to decide between a perceived 'outsider' and someone we know will stick with us after becoming part of the staff, because I could see it being really tricky to find a member who offers the best of both worlds. Of the former category, I agree with Pretty about Matute and with SS about liika. Matute reports a lot but can be rather over-zealous about things he doesn't like the look of, and while I have a lot of time for liika, she demonstrated something of an immature streak when interacting with Maui. To appoint her as a mod would be to risk escalating their spat still further, which wouldn't be a good look for the forum. Of the latter category, Pheno would probably be the most reliable candidate, she's very dedicated and would be highly unlikely to leave us.
 
Just a thought, but does anyone know much about Ewciolina? I don't know her personally, but she’s been here since 2008, posts a lot in both the guys and girls sections and appears superficially sensible.

Thanks for the feedback about Matute Glad we discussed this

I agree w/ Michael* & SS about liika.

I don't really know Ewciolina but I don't recall running into any issues w/ her I am curious what exactly does "superficially sensible" mean?

I think we see two different liika's, because when MK isn't in the picture she's nothing but kind, helpful, informative and rarely runs into issues with other members. I think the bad behavior came from nothing but Alpha vs Alpha syndrome, and now that MK doesn't hold anything over her, I hope she'll go back to the nice person I knew.

Ewciolina kinda bothers me, not going to lie. Hardcore Miranda Kerr fan who seems to have a past of irking  people who have an opinion that differs from hers about Miranda... Maybe she's changed since I last had dealings with her? I dunno... I tend to stay away from the uber fans on this forum unless I'm forced to deal with them. All I'm sure of is that if is she's given mod status she'll spend 75% of her time in Miranda's thread making sure it's just the way she wants it to be. Plus I don't think she has any interest in the males section of the forum?

And I see your point about Donbot Michael.

Perhaps each one of us could come up with a list of 2-3 people each who with think could possibly be good staff and then poll it? Top 1-2 become staff, majority wins. The new staff member(s) would be in charge of the males section of the forum the majority of the time, and would help out as needed elsewhere.

Well, are we adding one or two staff members? I'd prefer if we first agreed upon that.

Also not sure if a nomination - vote process is the best course of action here.

In how far is Jennka a viable candidate?

Jennka is another one of those super passive aggressive members who rather then confront a problem head on makes subtle remarks along with adding these left and right just to show us how serious she's being.

I'll stand by it till the day I die, passive aggressive people do nothing more then add to the problem in the long run which is turn doesn't solve anything. I'd rather have slowen or Big Tex as staff over Jennka if that tells you anything.

I'm gonna to pull a list of members who contribute to the Men's section, maybe it'll help move us along.