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@PinkCouture Where do we stand on Dave having 2 extra accounts and only now telling us about it. (100% sure he would never have come forward if the wife didn't say something).  I've filled in @phenobarbie @Clauds about the situation. Clauds thinks that on one of the accounts she's seem him recently, but don't quote me on that.

The entire situation is shady as fuck and I honestly don't want to deal with any of them anymore. It's just lies upons lies and I'm over it.

Finally read Dave's PM and very shady situation indeed. Perhaps I am missing something but why was  he creating multiple accounts to hunt for suspicious members (kinda ironic considering the situation now)? Was he asked to look for trolls? I know he really wanted to be Mod but to create multiple accounts as a way to detect questionable member behaviors seem unnecessary and extreme. Very bizarre. I don't know what to think about all this nor do I know the "right" course of action. It will probably be a Catch 22 regardless. I do believe in giving people a benefit of a doubt and chances to correct their wrongdoings but this whole situation is very convoluted. If we ban him I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back with a new account or he will just end up sharing an account with Lostdiadem. 

So LD now lives in California with him? Did Peroxideblonde move to CA as well?

I'm pretty sure he has been using the PinkFloyd1994 account recently, not sure about the other one. And no, no one asked him to hunt down trolls. And you can see both accounts have logged in pretty often and pretty recently, so it's not like this is something he did five years ago or when he was going through his alleged depression. He has been logging in to those accounts this month, nearly on a daily basis.

LD allegedly lives in CA now, no idea about PB, I think she is allegedly still in Italy? IDK, this whole thing is shady as hell. 

EDIT: I knew I'd seen it somewhere, he was posting in Carmella Rose's thread ten days ago. And he used this account as recently as Monday, so I am calling bullshit on his excuses. 

19 hours ago, PinkCouture said:

Finally read Dave's PM and very shady situation indeed. Perhaps I am missing something but why was  he creating multiple accounts to hunt for suspicious members (kinda ironic considering the situation now)? Was he asked to look for trolls? I know he really wanted to be Mod but to create multiple accounts as a way to detect questionable member behaviors seem unnecessary and extreme. Very bizarre. I don't know what to think about all this nor do I know the "right" course of action. It will probably be a Catch 22 regardless. I do believe in giving people a benefit of a doubt and chances to correct their wrongdoings but this whole situation is very convoluted. If we ban him I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back with a new account or he will just end up sharing an account with Lostdiadem. 

 

So LD now lives in California with him? Did Peroxideblonde move to CA as well?

 

 

No, PB still lives in Italy.

What bothers me about this is when he came forward about being married to Benny because they got caught account sharing, why didn't he bring up the one of the accounts then? Why wait months and make a second one and start to use it?.

Why does Dave get to break rules and receive zero consequences.  He knew good and well he wasn't allowed multiple accounts without Staff approval (ironic he was one of the ppl who pointed out LMS has multiple accounts lol) and to use the excuse he was using it to hunt for accounts because of the LMS thing? Bullshit. LMS was banned (5+) years  ago, and the accounts were both made within 2018 and Feb of this year... so yeah that's not adding up. So either he's lying and using his paranoia of "suspicious accounts?",  or his wife and her friend made the accounts and he's taking the fall because he's a giant simp.

I want to give him a second chance, but I refuse to except his little confession about having the two other accounts was because he wanted to come clear. Nope, his wife doesn't want to get banned and forced him to tell us, I'd bet my love of The Cure on it.

Since none of us know what to do, maybe we should put to a vote what to do with him to make it fair?

Also how does one "look for suspicious accounts" when he can't see IP's, nor at any point did he report said accounts to staff making the accounts he made useless. KEKW

I vote to kick him out. He is clearly lying, the LMS stuff was years ago, the accounts were created recently and have been used within the last week.

I call bullshit on this.

He keeps on digging himself a bigger hole

If the consensus is to kick him out I will respect and support the decision We will probably need to monitor LD more closely b/c I am pretty sure he will either use her account and/or create a new account when he thinks the dust has settled.

I spoke in-depth with Pheno over the phone about this, and she'd like to personally take care of the issue. She's willing to deal with the enviable blow back from the Italians. At least temporarily I'd like to make her an Admin so that it doesn't come back on us @PinkCouture

As soon as she gets home I'm sure she'll let you know what her plan is. Too me what she said sounds fair and reasonable, and doesn't screw Benny over.

If she wants to handle it then go for it! I think we will be able to handle whatever the Italiansn throws at us so I am not too worry.

35 minutes ago, PinkCouture said:

If she wants to handle it then go for it! I think we will be able to handle whatever the Italiansn throws at us so I am not too worry.

The Italians seem a little scared of you, clauds and pheno. They will often go out of their way to avoid you guys and then PM me to bitch and complain.   I personally don't want to deal with them.

Honestly, what I propose we do is not necessarily arbitrarily ban him. I'll give him points for "honesty"; though I feel like him coming clean has more to do with Benny finding out about these accounts and freaking out as it had already been brought to their attention that we were concerned with account sharing and shared IP's. I think we should give both him and Benny a stern warning that any further accounts with their IP address will result in an immediate ban. Give him a few warning points with a detailed message as to what he's done, including the continued dishonesty to the staff and the actual incident of him breaking the rules ie. multiple accounts. Put him on permanent mod watch, (though his behavior and comments have never been a concern, it's really our only recourse aside from the ban) and stress to him and his wife that no further activity that is even in slight breach of the rules and regulations of the forum will be tolerated.
I say give him a little bit of leeway simply because he has been a long standing member who in the past was always in fairly good standing. I don't care about the lies and the bullshit he fed to staff and other members, it is what it is. I think it spells him out to be a pretty deplorable person, as he was never required to share personal information but chose to do so and lied about it the entire time. But him lying isn't against our terms and services or the rules we have posted.

If you guys want him I can take this on and deal with them, and let them know that going to the other staff will not result in further argument or discussion as this was a major discussion between all staff members. I think one of us needs to take this on so that they can't get conflicting information and/or try to twist what each of says against the others.

I agree with Miss Pheno. As much as I dislike all the lies, I'm willing to give him one last shot. If he fucks up he's gone.

I don't think we should be giving him more chances tbh, but I'll go with whatever the majority agrees on. I just can't get pass him trying to be "honest" when in reality he has been using the accounts a lot and literally this past week. We've banned people for less before.

I think just banning him will lead to account sharing and/or more accounts being created and potentially him purposely causing problems on the forum. Let’s face it some of the members on the forum opened up to him and shared personal information like they would with a friend. He’s liked by enough of the other members that if he wanted to raise hell he could. 
 

I think we should focus on defusing the situation rather then potentially exacerbating it and creating a bigger problem. 

I vote for one week suspension effective immediately with the message that one more strike and he's out. 

You have all made very valid points. It is a tough and complicated situation bc Dave has been a member here a long time and he has made many connections. However this doesn’t excuse the fact he has broken rules and was dishonest about who he is and his actions. Regardless of what we decide there needs to be some sorta consequences. I am sure he has lied to other members too and I think he needs to come clean to them as well. It is a way to hold him accountable and perhaps decrease the chances of him creating more lies.

I also think we need to ask him (and maybe Benny) one last time, without further consequences, if there is anything else we should know like anything else he is being dishonest about or keeping from us so it doesn’t cause more issues for him in the future. It is the last time for him to come totally clean because the next time (if there is a next time) we won’t be as lenient and there would be no expectations. This also mean the next strike regardless of the the violation he is out so he needs to make sure he fully understands the rules.

I agree with what you and Joe have said PC. I never really took into consideration the fact that we can do temporary suspensions, though I think if we go that route it should be either two weeks or a month. One week you almost don't feel as it can go quickly, especially if you work full time. Two weeks or more it's definitely something you start to notice, and can instill a sense of regret, or self recrimination.

As for him coming forward and apologizing to other members about lying to them it's not really our place to force him to do that. Him lying about his personal life is not against the terms and services of the board when he signed up, nor is it listed in the rules we've put up for the forum. He could technically come out and tell us he was the long lost grand child of Al Capone, had a small fortune, eight wives and seventeen children and it really wouldn't matter. I mean that's obviously less believable then the lies he did tell, but you get the point.

However I do feel that Benny should be lumped into his accountability as they do share an IP and live in the same residence, which makes it very difficult for us to single one out over the other if it comes to a ban.

So perhaps talking with them and stressing the severity of his actions, and the future consequences should any further transgressions occur and definitely a last strike policy when it comes to their behavior as well as a two or more week suspension. Also most definitely giving them the get of out jail card to come clean about any other behavior that is against our terms/services/rules as a one time freebie if we choose not to go forward with a permanent ban.

It's unfortunate because at this point Benny really hasn't done anything wrong other then get married and live with him, but she will quite obviously feel the effects of his misbehavior whatever route we take going forward.

Wasn't Benny using his account and PB's account as well to vote in competitions tho? That's how this entire thing started, because Pretty saw they were all using the same IP.

As for Dave having made connections, I don't think anyone will give a damn about him being gone considering all those connections were made based on lies and bullshit, and I don't think we should give him another get out of jail card, he has been here long enough to know the rules, how many chances are we going to give him to come clean? We may as well invite LMS to join in again and do the same for all members who had made friends in BZ and ended up being banned. At this point he has been letting other people use his account, he has created and used multiple accounts recently, what else could he have possibly done that he hasn't come clean about yet? o.o. If we are going for a temporary ban, I think it should be at least two weeks.

I only arbitrarily threw out a week to look objective as I'm the one who has interacted with him the least as I always found him to be annoying. Kindof like a simp, less funny Ned Flanders. That combined with having him on ignore anyway because of some of his avatars.

In light of the knowledge that he is a legit offender of the rules in addition to these crimes, I obviously won't object to a longer suspension. If he violates during or after, that is strike three, no explanations.

It was less about him having connections and more about what type of personal information he may have on other members that I was concerned about Claudia. If he throws a temper tantrum or one of the Italians do they can theoretically cause a huge issue sharing or dispensing of confidential information that had been given to Dave over the years. 
 

I’m with joe in that I never cared for him so I never shared personal details about myself. But I know of at least four members who did, who wouldn’t want that information dispensed to the general public. 
 

Dave and his wife strike me as the type of people who can be very petty and childish if push comes to shove, which is my major concern with an outright ban.