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I want other people's opinions on whether or not Nicole and I flamed Neo. That means you stay out of it, Jimmy, because I am NOT asking you. 
ehhh so long
ok i shall read it and get back to you on it tonite
I know I done told yall not to host our banners on other imageing sites.....
I want other people's opinions on whether or not Nicole and I flamed Neo. That means you stay out of it, Jimmy, because I am NOT asking you.
I am not staying out of it despite your "request". Seemed pretty obvious to me but I am going to spell it out. Personal attacks on fellow staff members is not only flaming, it's a horrid example to set for the members. By doing this it sets up the double standard when we chastise members for doing the same. As for whether the specific posts in question constitute flaming...they attack Marduk personally, that is the definition of flaming. How more obvious can it be?
I want other people's opinions on whether or not Nicole and I flamed Neo. That means you stay out of it, Jimmy, because I am NOT asking you.
Ok, I read the posts and it looks like flaming to me. I gotta agree that waht jimmy did was the correct thing to do.
well so i read em
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i believe
that
1. there was nothing that was wrong with nicole's first post
2. anything following was going to be a great mess
3. all three of you should have tried to avoid that over there in that forum and could very well have done it here in 51
4. the posts following by lullaby, neo, and nicoler were all attacks at each other so yea they were breaking rules
A personal attack is considered a flame, it's stated in the rules. There is no question about this. We should hold ourselves to a little higher standards than we have set forth in the rules, as to set an example.
Though how far can you push someone before they break? Everyone is bound to snap at some point, even if they are periodically allowing some of that anger to vent. I mean just how long can you hold that anger from spilling over? Anyone who has ever been angry, knows it never breaks the barrier at a scheduled time or place.
I agree that it's not exactly the best example to set for other members who we are expecting to follow the rules, and that the Staff should be the first people to uphold that ideal. Have to remember though that we are just members too and things can't always be perfect and that we are prone to getting angry as easily as the regular members. We should know the limits of how far we should go better than anyone else. Certain members of this staff I fear do not fully realize, what lies at the heart of all of this trouble, therefore, I do not think that you have the information to fully understand where Ashley and Nicole are coming from. Not to say that it was ok to flame anyone in the first place, but more to add to the justification in their actions, I present my peice of mind below.
Now, we are going to discuss something, and really at this point, strangely I of all people, don't give a flying fuck if I offend anyone with this, because I am tired of having to login and have stupid shit like this waiting for me to have to field a response to, I shouldn't have to get involved in stupid things like this, not because it's not what I am supposed to do here, but simply because they shouldn't happen in the first place. Lullaby and OS should never be driven to the point where this is the only way they can get through to Neo, and trust me, this is the only way to get through to him. This thread under discussion just happens to be the break point which has been under pressure for some time.
Here is where we discuss, the fact that Neo, you have an inflamatory personality, and it's better that we address this now, and save ourselves the headache later. You cause people to get angry, simply instigated by the way you carry yourself around the board in regards to your posts, the way you fawn over people, always need the conversation to revolve around you and then get angry when things turn sour for you. You're cocky and generally ignorant to most things that people make perfectly clear to you or are sensitive about, if you would just open your eyes, and read what people are trying to tell you. It shouldn't have to come to you in this form, simply because you should have already picked it up laid out plain in other peoples discussions with you. I personally know that people have discussed some of these things with you in detail, these things have been brought to your attention before, yet they seem to have had no effect, which is completely mind numbing to even think how that is possible.
If you would just pause for only a moment and take a step back from your post read it over and then ask yourself the question, "Does this sound in any way self-centered or self-promoting?" This would help solve a lot of the problems people have with you, hence decreasing the amount of "Anti-Neo" sentiment that many people have for you. This alone would be a major step, one that I should not have to point out to you. Which is another reason that people get angry with you, is that you just do not see the obvious plain as day things, which everyone sees clearly. If someone tells you that they don't like you and to stay the fuck out of their thread, a normal persons reaction to this would be to steer clear of this person, perhaps not indefinitely, but at least until that person gave them the sign that things were ok. You on the other hand seem to misconstrue that it is ok, after having some kind of problem with a person where the result is a "Get the fuck out of my thread" or a "Leave me the fuck alone" reaction, to go right ahead and continue to annoy that person by completely disregarding their wishes by continuing on with what had previously caused the problem.
Basic line of thought with me here is this, You tend to annoy the shit out of people, and trust me, I have heard from enough people about it. The problem in this situation is not that other people are getting angry with you, because that is human nature, but more so, that you plain do not understand what it is that you do, that makes so many people become so angry with you. Apparently people have attempted to relay to you in laymans terms just what it is, that is upsetting them, and yet you find a way to somehow stay completely oblivious to the facts, that they are delivering directly to you in an easy to digest way. So it is no wonder that you would completely miss the hints that people give when they have generally had enough of what you have to offer.
Just so that it's out in the open, You whine way too much for a person in your position, and I mean your real life position, college guy, living off his parents with not a care in the world. One thing you need to realize, is that all though your life may not be all you had hoped it would be by now, there are many, many more people out there who's lives make yours seem like a King's. When you whine about trivial bullshit and go on, and on about it, it's just one more thing which inflames people's anger. The fact that it's even part of what I'm saying, is a testament to just how much whining you do. So in a similar fashion, you could step back, read over your posts and decide whether you are being completely insensitive to other people, when you choose to tell them that you're pretty upset that your parents didn't buy you a brand new $40,000 car, a year after you just got a new one. This is akin to rubbing the fact that you are well off, directly into someone's face, and I speak from personal experience, because that is exactly how I felt when you did it to me. When you complain about not getting the $400 watch you wanted or a $200 shirt you wanted, it's like driving nails into people's eyes, and apparently this is not as obvious to you as it is to the people you do it to.
Now I think you should take this more as a reminder that more than occassionally, you can be quite annoying, and that you should install a set of checks on yourself, before you make a comment to someone. The words "Think before you speak" are exactly the words you need to be thinking about, before you say something of any magnitude to anyone.
There are a hundred things that you do that create these kinds of situations, and I am not about to try and list them all, and as well I shouldn't have to. As many times as these things happen, it never seems to occur to you, that maybe you are the problem at the base of the whole argument. It's only natural after having to repeatedly put up with these things that someone is going to snap and say something, and as far as I am concerned this is one of those situations. It's an unfortunate thing that it happened in the open forum and not in a pm or in here, but as I said previously, it's not something that comes on a schedule, it's unpredictable.
Now, I can think of one major change right now, that will help alleviate some of this, and that is for Neo to stop conversing with Nicole and Ashley, in any way except for in this sub-forum, as it seems that dialogue in the open forum between the three will eventually spin out of control, as it did in that thread. In case not conversing isn't clear enough, entailed in the word, is this: 1.) No dialogue, unless it is in a staff related area, 2.) No PM's what so ever, this means nothing, no correspondance through the PM service, very simple. If you, Neo piss one of the girls off, be smart enough to realize it, and leave it alone, do not follow it up with multiple PM's, and 3.) No correspondance through an IM service or any other internet service such as email, remove each other from your goddamn lists, and do not re-add them under any circumstances. Any correspondance you need to have with each other can be easily sorted out in these threads here in the staff area. Also this way allows for the control of subject matter pertaining only to the operation of this board, which means that, the only things you guys will need to discuss with each other, will have the added benefit of having other staff members giving their opinions and hopefully diffusing anything before it can get started, or before it can bleed over into the open forum.
Now the only person that can stop Neo from posting or messaging comments or whatnot that tend to annoy and offend other people is? Neo. You are also the only one who can realize for yourself, what it is that is angering people so much. People can only tell you what is pissing them off so many times before they give up a hopeless cause. So you can help them out by, once again realizing that what you say Does tend to make people angry. I can not say it any more clearly, nor can I think of a better way to make it sink in, than to tell it directly to you. It should not be this hard to make a person realize a major personality defect.
Now you can be angry with me all you want, it's not really any skin off my back. I'll be the first to tell you though that if what I say above helps you to be less annoying to other people, I'll be a fucking hero, magic maker or other lame cliche word. The things you do really, really need to change. If someone thinks about leaving this board, because of you, it's entirely unacceptable.
I don't ever want to have to have a discussion about it again, because this should be enough. It's a goddamn blessing that we have a few members here who have the fucking guts to try and relay to you that you have problems and are unworried about stepping on toes, if occassionally one of them oversteps the bounds, so be it. This subject has needed to be brought up for a year and half now, and it's embarassing to me, that we have let it all slide for this long. It's near unbearable that some people would rather try and wax over the surface problem for fear of pissing someone off, instead of actually acknowledging that there is a deeper problem which needs to be addressed. This is not just a case of someone flaming someone else, or even that it was staff members involved, there is more problems underlying.
If you take a few simple steps towards holding yourself accountable for what you do, and say, I can almost guarantee things like this won't happen again between you and whoever you might be annoying at that particular time. Consider this free advice, take it to heart, because not a word is untrue, and it will do you good to remember how people think of you, when it comes to not offending them.
I shouldn't have had to say any of that, that's just it, if this is what it takes to get through to you on this, then It's a sad fucking day.
Basically what I am trying to do for you all here is to open into a broader view, why they have said the things they have said. Plain and simple, they're justified in getting angry, but of course rules are rules, and if we don't abide by them ourselves, then there's not much use in having them at all really. Warning them, and then not addressing the larger problem of why they were agitated in the first place, makes absolutely no sense because it will just happen again. It's like cutting a single root from a tree, and hoping it will die, it won't, and neither will this problem with out properly acknowledging that it exists in the first place openly.
Well. Whatever I was going to say, Capt pretty much covered. As for the warnings, if we want to be "fair"? Toss one Neo's way too. And no, no one is ganging up on anyone else. So let's stop that before it even fucking starts.
can i clean the place out?
I do understand completely why the anger was there, and actually agree with what posted for the most part. I just thought the means were inappropriate.
I too agree to the same, that it shouldn't have taken place there at all, and in all fairness, the steps taken were appropriate.
I just felt the absolute need to say what a lot of people think, and this threads' issue happened to be a fitting pedestal, unfortunately.
Just so everyone is clear, I'm not like raging angry at anyone if that's how anyone feels, even Neo, though given the chance he would probably gladly piss in my hat.
I think it's safe to clean the junk out of that thread, if that's what you meant. 
I know I done told yall not to host our banners on other imageing sites.....
been like that all day. fun fun guess i could just delete the whole banner. 
*fixing*
I can never remember where the normal file upload is, but just toss it on there and switch it out.
I'd say we could just upload an image and overwrite it with each competition. Since both go to the celebration threads anyway. Just take out the specific post links.
I don't remember either, I just used the FTP and stuck it somewhere. :shock:
but hey, it works.
i never updated this one
whoops
i did it in my test one those i managed to link off bella
If you put the banners onto other skins, just use the same links. That way when we override that one image for the next competition, it changes everywhere. I'm surprised this wasn't done at the start.
i never updated all the skins is wat i meant to say 
Please don't update all of the skins, I like not having the banners.
then wats the point in having them at all
You guys wanted them, you tell me.