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I had that same game! Hock-a-Loogie.

OMG.. just found a Flash version of it

http://www.box10.com...k-a-loogie.html

OOOOOOOOH my I had to play it instantly

OMG I remember playing this one too! Haha!!

I remember you used to be able to do a green 'super' loogie for double points (was it right-click?). I can't figure out how to do it in the Flash version though.. maybe they didn't include it <_<

I had that same game! Hock-a-Loogie.

OMG.. just found a Flash version of it

http://www.box10.com...k-a-loogie.html

OOOOOOOOH my I had to play it instantly

Oh I had scrapbooks full of them, and also stuck them on my walls

Do you still have those scrapbooks?

Stucking things on the wall, oh yeah I had mostly my paintings or dolphins or cats or models stuck on my wall how about you?

I have a feeling I do have them in storage somewhere.. I don't remember ever throwing them out

My walls used to be covered - mostly with my drawings, as well as posters and pictures of cars, motorbikes, cartoons and all sorts of other crap.

]^Did you guys make elaborate ramps and jumps out of drainpipes and bits of cardboard too?!?!

Lol, no, we had something like a lego to build such things (but it was not lego), but we did often create the whole parking houses and such things on the sand pit - that was wholesome

I had a plastic track thing with a loop-de-loop and a ramp on it, which I'd use as a basis to launch them off my own epic jumps.

I used to make little ostacle courses for my remote control cars too, but I wasn't really brave enough to send them airborne

The first had genuinely creepy bits, shocks and gore (at least by the standards of the time) - plus Phoebe Cates' wonderful cautionary Christmas soliloquy. The second one abandoned any sense of danger and relied on crappy slapstick and fart jokes.

Ah yes, I used to have a big crush on her in this movie

Stucking things on the wall, oh yeah I had mostly my paintings or dolphins or cats or models stuck on my wall how about you?

I have a feeling I do have them in storage somewhere.. I don't remember ever throwing them out

My walls used to be covered - mostly with my drawings, as well as posters and pictures of cars, motorbikes, cartoons and all sorts of other crap.

Jennka, the movie:

I loved the effects, the whole concept of the planet and space ship, it was pretty perfect and epic. I loved David / Fassenberg to death, his character made me alert for the whole time of the movie. I think I´ve never seen a more perfect robot whose character evolved in a natural way - his mind was purely logical, inteligent, with a scientific interest in everything. I think they underrated him pretty much when saying he was "just a robot". I agree with Andy that his acts and deeds pointed to a simple idea that he actually felt superior to the humans, just like any other extremely inteligent individual feels superior to the other "stupid and common" people. Wasn´t he actually so much better than his "engineeers", humans? He could not get ill, he could not die, he was super-inteligent computer mind like, far more strong and logical than all of them. His deduction was, afterall, right - he was better than them.

Do you remember David's intro scene? He spent two years on the ship, and that's probably where he became self-conscious. He plays basketball/bike riding for leisure, and seems to be mostly human outside of android qualities. He likes the phrase "The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts" and repeats it to himself. Was he in pain? Suffering from turmoil?

He seems to have under the surface emotions- for instance when he poisoned Charlie, it seemed to be almost out of spite and due to Charlie's tendency to 'de-humanize' (lol) him at every turn. When he's decapitated and tries to contact Dr. Shaw, it's out of self-interest and also due to a possible liking for Shaw. He says "I was afraid that you were dead", and he says this with a clear hint of emotion.

What kind of infection was that was killing the Engineers, and why did they not turned into other aliens? They just exploded

Why did not the ship sail to the Earth as was planned? Why was the "bad" Engineer put into stasis, if he wanted to actually leave?

Why did the black mass start to live when the crew entered the tomb?

Their technology (human) was extremely developed, with all those sondas and stasis and light-speed around, and yet they were using regular hand torches??? I was like "Are you serious?"

Having operated and alien from your belly and then running around like nothing that serious happened was a bit... well... weird.

Running to save your life from a falling ship in the way those women did is like running to save your life from a falling tree in the actual direction of his fall. I mean, why not run to the right or left, that would be far too logical, wouldn´t it be, David?

You have a god-knows-how much heavy ship that falls on you and then you realize that you were saved by a ... simple rock that is smaller than your golden retriever. Ok, you can always say "that was an alien rock, it could be harder than any rocks on this earth" but it still will sound stupid.

Lol, I noticed that too. There are 50 different questions left open in Prometheus...! Oh, and an obvious one being that they have no real security team or equipment on board the Prometheus, which doesn't make sense. Also, there's so few people (17 in total). A real expedition would have more than that, and it would be a matter of increased supplies.

Glad to hear that you found it interesting. I certainly did, and these riddles make the film more fun.

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Oh, and check out this goldmine of behind the scenes material: (including high res pictures from 20 minutes of deleted scenes- The Blu-Ray is going to be 20 minutes longer)

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/2118/first-look-at-the-elder-engineer-and-more-behind-the-scenes-photos

It's amazing stuff. Pretty scary, right?

Don,

Millburn's 180 from being shit scared of anything and everything in the place, wanting to get the hell out of there, to being suddenly allured by this alien creature, clearly rearing up in a threatening posture

The whole Fifeld/Millburn thing was just fairly random and another obvious set-up. Fifield bugged out after he saw the Alien corpse, and Millburn just joins him for no particular reason. I don't think any planetary explorer would bug out so quickly. Second, they have contact with Captain Janek and his bridge, so obviously Janek can advise them if they got lost in the structure. Fifield himself mapped out the structure with his 'pets', so why on earth did they get lost and why did they not contact the bridge for help? LOL.

Also, they went into the Alien structure with no weapons (Shaw tells the bodyguard to stand down). How silly is that, lol. Blatant movie set-up, haha.

I've seen Aliens many times, so that's no doubt swaying my opinion. Bishop's character was not complex in the same way as the others, but unlike them he was an outright good guy. If you remember, Ripley feared and distrusted him innately (because of her experience with Ash), and we as the audience shared this skepticism towards him because we've been there with her, and we weren't sure how to read him in some of the early (purposefully ambiguous) scenes. He ends up proving himself to her on several occasions and eventually becomes their saviour. I like that although he was quite obviously a synthetic, he showed traces of humanity - and importantly fear - in his actions, which imbued him with bravery and nobility. His (not quite) death scene was pretty epic at the end of Aliens too, you have to admit (surely you remember the queen tearing him in two?).

I should also mention that he makes another appearance in Alien 3. Ripley finds his remains (top half) from her escape pod wreckage, and gives him a jump start basically, and he's the one who tells her that there was a facehugger on board. She unplugs him again, at his request, and that's the end of his story. Although, at the end of Alien 3 'The Company' suits arrive and try to take Ripley before she sacrifices herself, one of whom (played by Lance Henriksen), reveals himself as Michael Bishop - the guy who designed the Bishop android.

Interesting info, I didn't know. I saw Aliens ages ago, and I only remember it faintly.

But anyway.. David. Yeah I think naive was a bad choice of word there. I don't think he was a complete sociopath though - I believe he was still loyal to Weyland and had his best interests in mind. Do you? Or do you think he was purely in it for himself by the end? Either way, it's clear his regard for the crew took a back seat to his own curiosity and fascination with the Engineers and the idea of creation of life.

The sociopath thing came to mind (it's in the viral, David says that he knows human sentiment but doesn't feel them himself, which is the textbook definition of a sociopath) and was made vivid to me when David poisoned Charlie. David tells him before giving him the poisoned glass (I quote this and the rest from memory) 'What will you be willing to do to find what you came all this way for? Your Answers?' Charlie responds 'Everything and anything.'. David then passes the poisoned glass....It's almost as if he had conflicting signals- he wanted to poison Charlie, but his programming didn't allow him to hurt anybody without their verbal permission..... even if it's lost in translation, LOL.

Either he was ordered by Weyland to do this or he was acting on his own. This action was very strange and open to interpretation, LOL!

When Vickers corners David (after he goes into Weyland's room) in the blue hallway, it seemed to me that Weyland had some sort of control mechanism over David. Vickers threatens him, saying 'I will find the cord you are on and I will cut it. What did he say? '. Something like that. Then, in a later scene (just before Weyland gets killed), Shaw asks David 'so if [Weyland] he's gone, then you'll be free.' David quipped 'Doesn't every child want their parents dead'..

It's left ambiguous. What does, for instance, David say to the Engineer to piss him off? Another plot hole.

I saw it in 2-D, I missed the opening for 3D when I got there.

Don is following Xenia's topic? When did this happen?

But you snubbed Baron again! :persuazn:

^Yeah, I just noticed that!

Seems to be happening a lot to me here lately. Well, so be it Danni (et al.)...

And those whippet pictures are something else! I've read about that scenario on the set - but not seen it before. That said, you can hang around the greyhound track at the end of the night and see some old dogs ready for the knackers-yard looking like that anyway... <_<

I'm sorry.

I don't understand.

The whole Fifeld/Millburn thing was just fairly random and another obvious set-up. Fifield bugged out after he saw the Alien corpse, and Millburn just joins him for no particular reason. I don't think any planetary explorer would bug out so quickly. Second, they have contact with Captain Janek and his bridge, so obviously Janek can advise them if they got lost in the structure. Fifield himself mapped out the structure with his 'pets', so why on earth did they get lost and why did they not contact the bridge for help? LOL.

Also, they went into the Alien structure with no weapons (Shaw tells the bodyguard to stand down). How silly is that, lol. Blatant movie set-up, haha.

Yeah, so much of that was nonsensical

The sociopath thing came to mind (it's in the viral, David says that he knows human sentiment but doesn't feel them himself, which is the textbook definition of a sociopath) and was made vivid to me when David poisoned Charlie. David tells him before giving him the poisoned glass (I quote this and the rest from memory) 'What will you be willing to do to find what you came all this way for? Your Answers?' Charlie responds 'Everything and anything.'. David then passes the poisoned glass....It's almost as if he had conflicting signals- he wanted to poison Charlie, but his programming didn't allow him to hurt anybody without their verbal permission..... even if it's lost in translation, LOL.

Either he was ordered by Weyland to do this or he was acting on his own. This action was very strange and open to interpretation, LOL!

I think it was a bit of both. The poison scene came directly after the "Tell me what he said" / "He said: Try harder" scene with Vickers. I don't think Weyland told him specifically to do it, but more put pressure on him to (like Charlie) do anything and everything to unlock the secrets of the Engineers. I don't think there was any malice in the decision to poison Charlie - to me it was both doing his own duty to Weyland, as well as serving his own curiosity. He didn't particularly want to see harm come to Charlie, but the possibility of it didn't bother him. Charlie being snidey and insensitive towards him in the leadup didn't help things, but I think he would have gone through with it regardless - although it probably helped rationalise and justify it to himself in his logical brain. It was also probably there to soften the audience into thinking 'he had it coming..'

I'd love to know what David said to the Engineer too

Don is following Xenia's topic? When did this happen?

Just yesterday. I thought I'd actually subscribed earlier, but I guess not. She's really growing on me though

I think it was a bit of both. The poison scene came directly after the "Tell me what he said" / "He said: Try harder" scene with Vickers. I don't think Weyland told him specifically to do it, but more put pressure on him to (like Charlie) do anything and everything to unlock the secrets of the Engineers. I don't think there was any malice in the decision to poison Charlie - to me it was both doing his own duty to Weyland, as well as serving his own curiosity. He didn't particularly want to see harm come to Charlie, but the possibility of it didn't bother him. Charlie being snidey and insensitive towards him in the leadup didn't help things, but I think he would have gone through with it regardless - although it probably helped rationalise and justify it to himself in his logical brain. It was also probably there to soften the audience into thinking 'he had it coming..'

I'd love to know what David said to the Engineer too

Yea, ..overall

I still think that it was David. I just don't believe that the lab results made him want to 'test it' on somebody else or Weyland was that callous. Weyland liked Charlie- Charlie was the reason he went on the trip in the first place! Test it by slipping it in somebody's drink? Seems improbable to me..

BTW, did you see this link?

http://www.prometheu...e-scenes-photos

Pretty interesting, and the type of stuff people don't get to see.

That's a deleted scene in the beginning- from the concept photos it's obviously some sort of ritual, with the elders giving the young one the suicide cup.

Yea, ..overall

I still think that it was David. I just don't believe that the lab results made him want to 'test it' on somebody else or Weyland was that callous. Weyland liked Charlie- Charlie was the reason he went on the trip in the first place! Test it by slipping it in somebody's drink? Seems improbable to me..

Oh, no I didn't mean that. I don't think Weyland said anything specific along those lines - not even to explicitly experiment on anyone at all, let alone Charlie. We don't know what he said to David, but the overriding message from their conversation was to try harder. Who knows - he could have been berating David with anger and a demanding tone, or even imploring him with desperation. Either way, I'm don't think David would have done something quite that extreme without the extra push of whatever happened in that conversation. It seemed as though he hadn't even opened the urn at all until that point.

Some amazing pictures in that link, thanks for sharing :Dinah:

Is it just me, or does the suicide Engineer look a bit like James Cameron in some shots?

*Shields eyes from 'Prometheus' talk* - Much like with The Avengers, I'm lagging behind a bit.

How's the Regina Spektor album then, Don?

But you snubbed Baron again! :persuazn:

^Yeah, I just noticed that!

Seems to be happening a lot to me here lately. Well, so be it Danni (et al.)...

I'm sorry.

I don't understand.

What'd I do, Danni? What'd I do: http://www.bellazon....20#entry2907378

Oh, no I didn't mean that. I don't think Weyland said anything specific along those lines - not even to explicitly experiment on anyone at all, let alone Charlie. We don't know what he said to David, but the overriding message from their conversation was to try harder. Who knows - he could have been berating David with anger and a demanding tone, or even imploring him with desperation. Either way, I'm don't think David would have done something quite that extreme without the extra push of whatever happened in that conversation. It seemed as though he hadn't even opened the urn at all until that point.

Some amazing pictures in that link, thanks for sharing :Dinah:

Is it just me, or does the suicide Engineer look a bit like James Cameron in some shots?

You're welcome. I've been using the Prometheus forum throughout- they do all the hard work for me..hehe. :-)

All the Engineers have ridiculous nose-bridges... Also, the David thing: It's just too weird. They have a lab on board, so David must have discovered something strange about it. Is it me or was Charlie starting to look like an engineer before he got killed? Pasty with all those visible dark veins. The behind the scenes photos made me realize this... Hmmph..!

Also, the engineer's suit looks like it's grafted onto his body. I didn't notice that until now.

Did you notice that Shaw also carried David's decapitated body with her? So David might have a body in part 2.. And he's going to 'pilot' the ship, so that may require a body...

David's relationship with Shaw is very strange IMHO. He's read her dreams for two years and he knows her life story. Then he kills her partner. What's going on here? He seems more interested in her than any other crewmember. It's very suspicious and opaque....

LOL:

*Shields eyes from 'Prometheus' talk* - Much like with The Avengers, I'm lagging behind a bit.

Haha, hope nothing was spoiled'. It's a film full of riddles; I haven't had so much fun with a film in years.

*Shields eyes from 'Prometheus' talk* - Much like with The Avengers, I'm lagging behind a bit.

How's the Regina Spektor album then, Don?

It's like a spoiler tag party in here

New album is fantastic - she doesn't know how to disappoint. This one is so beautiful

Not sure how interested you are, but I'm busting in anticipation of Fiona Apple's imminent release too :chicken:

Also, the engineer's suit looks like it's grafted onto his body. I didn't notice that until now.

Yeah, same

Also, the David thing: It's just too weird. They have a lab on board, so David must have discovered something strange about it.

Perhaps, but there was every indication that David brought that urn on board without anyone else knowing, and from memory there wasn't really any evidence of him having any medical or scientific expertise at all, aside from him being there to discover Shaw's pregnancy. Seems as though his main skillset was around his knowledge of language, and of course caretaking the place while the crew was in stasis. Ash and Bishop were both quite handy in the lab, and it kind of makes sense that he would be, but we didn't really see it. He wasn't there when they were probing the head were they? There certainly wasn't anything scientific about the way he took the urn apart anyway.. he just got stuck straight in, elbows deep

Perhaps, but there was every indication that David brought that urn on board without anyone else knowing, and from memory there wasn't really any evidence of him having any medical or scientific expertise at all, aside from him being there to discover Shaw's pregnancy. Seems as though his main skillset was around his knowledge of language, and of course caretaking the place while the crew was in stasis. Ash and Bishop were both quite handy in the lab, and it kind of makes sense that he would be, but we didn't really see it. He wasn't there when they were probing the head were they? There certainly wasn't anything scientific about the way he took the urn apart anyway.. he just got stuck straight in, elbows deep

David has abilities that are implied but not stated. Remember how they entered the Alien structure, and David literally walked in and unlocked all the doors as if it was his own house?! He also knew how to unlock the hypersleep chambers and pilot the alien ship. He opened the green urn, pulled out a black drop, and said 'great things have small beginnings'. What is this supposed to mean? He knows something we don't. The audience isn't really given an explanation. And slipping that into someone's drink...that's stuff that elementary school children do.......!

I see David as being different from Bishop. David is self-conscious and has his own motives, while Bishop is more of a servant to the crew. Ash was a servant to the corporation's directives. David, on the other hand, isn't to be trusted....he's his own man (robot, lol)

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Yeah, all that stuff I put down to his incredible knowledge of language and other cultures, and the main reason for him being on board. Do you have a more specific theory of how we had all that innate understanding of how the alien gizmos worked? He's certainly an enigma, in any event

An invitation?