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she pretty much worshipped individualism, privatisation and the free market, and often said that she didn't believe in 'society'. Basically, she represented the harshest face of the ruling class that we'd ever seen in Britain
I didn't even know he had a Twitter account
I looked at Szczesny's once where he posted pics from the Maldives with his girlfriend. Hmm... <googles Lewy's Twitter> You mean these photos?: https://twitter.com/...wski/media/grid by the way, to me he and his girlfriend are the classis example of 2 people in a relationship who look a lot like each other :|
That's right
That's the one, the pictures of him as Superman and playing Jenga on his own really made me laugh.
I can see what you mean about his girlfriend, their facial features look really similar in some of the photos I've seen. I hear she's a martial artist of some note too, which is pretty impressive. :jimmy:
She is! I heard she is pretty good, winning championships and all, but I would have to google-sadly I haven't heard about her before EURO. From what I remember they've been dating for quite some time, 5 years? There were rumours about them getting married this summer but I don't know if something's planned afterall.
Really? I didn't know that. If I was going to be a parent now, I'd be tempted to try and engineer a July birth, increasing the chances of my daughter growing up to become a top model and making me a ton of money.
I just remember that about 5-7 years ago, when I used to watch Fashion TV a lot and it showed these models videos, it seems like most of them are from July. Most of these models were Brazilian (Isabeli F, Izabel, Caroline T, Cintia etc.) but I remember Natasha Poly is a Cancer too.
I heard about different 'momagers' but as for dads 'directing' their kids' careers? Hmmm...
Exactly, so much depends on perspective - she pretty much split opinion down the middle in almost every way. Her economic reforms were either facing a reality, ending the British reliance on coal for energy and removing restrictive practices or bringing almost inhumane suffering to the poorest in society. She refused to bow to terrorism in all forms and was against conciliation. Some might call that an admirable view, others might say it greatly delayed the improved situation we have in, say, Northern Ireland now. She was fiercely patriotic too, which endeared her to many but irritated many others. Basically the Marmite of the political world.
Here was the next day's headlines regarding her death. I didn't read the New York Times ( liberal press) but I 'm sure it's less pro-thatcher. Both papers wrote a very positive eulogy, and skimmed through the negatives:
Regarding the graph (I wrote this elsewhere to someone else, and am reposting it here):
I surmise that the permanent long term unemployment rate indicates that the Thatcher government cut them loose too quick for society, businesses and staffs to adjust with job loss & the markets. Enterprises need to time to right-size, restructure, and change the manner in which they produce their income in order to become more competitive on the global marketplace. eg. The shake-up of the British shipping industries certainly has something to do with strong cost-competitive status of the Japanese and South Korean manufacturers over the same time period.The effected sectors also were under the aegis of British industrial policy for far too long.
The de-industrializing shake-out during the Thatcher years can be compared to US de-industrialization over the late 60s and 70s (and to a much lessor extent, the 80s) but over a very short time period. But while US deindustrialization gave time for people to adjust to a service-lead economy and 'hard hat' firms to reorganize, the Thatcher politics didn't. I surmise that the 'deep shock' of this action disrupted too many people over too short of a time period so there is still intense dislike for her government amongst many Britons.
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Financial Times
True believers view her as a Saint Joan of free markets, dedicated to rolling back the state in all its dimensions. In reality, however, Thatcher was a pragmatic politician who showed little interest in embarking on politically suicidal attempts to demolish pillars of the welfare state, such as the National Health Service. Under her governments, public spending never fell below 39 per cent of gross domestic product.Nevertheless, hers was a transformational premiership. The legacies of Thatcher’s governments include liberalisation of exchange controls, a huge cut in top income tax rates, liberalisation of labour markets, transformation of the legal position of trade unions and defeat of militant organised labour, notably in the miners’ strike of 1984-85, sale of a large part of the council housing stock, privatisation of most nationalised industries and the liberalisation of finance, including the “Big Bang” of 1986, which transformed the City of London into the world’s biggest international financial entrepôt.
In macroeconomic policy, Thatcher’s governments started with monetarism and ended with a row over the role of exchange rates in monetary policy. But the rejection of Keynesian fiscal policy and the shift to relying on monetary policy, in its place, were cemented during her period in power.
Wall Street Journal
Mrs. Thatcher is remembered within Britain mostly for her role in revolutionizing the fading economy, in a process that caused huge social change and division, and for the successful retaking of the Falkland Islands, the British South Atlantic territory invaded by Argentina in 1982—after which she declared "We have ceased to be a nation in retreat."In Europe, she is remembered as a prickly leader who thrived on confrontation, but who ultimately agreed to foster some of the European Union's most significant developments, such as the creation of a single EU market.
Who told you this? No logo? Stiglitz or Krugman? :-) It wasn't the sole right wing academic department (of any influence, and surrounded by an overwhelming moat of liberal keynesians & liberal policymakers) in the US that did that; they merely rose to prominence to serve a demand for the opposing force.
The Zeitgeist of the times were very high inflation, deindustrialization, union strife, high taxes on the rich, failure in Vietnam, and rising dissatisfaction with the US government during the 1970s. So American politics moved towards the right.
Milton Friedman and the Chicago school of economics leaded the politices of Reagan, Thatcher and Pinochet.
Who told you this?
I read it in a book of Political Economy, I heard it about 6 months ago on a TV documentary, and we can find this perhaps too simplistic interpretation in lots of websites. Anyway what makes me indignant is the fact that, under the monetarist policies, the gap between rich and poor got wider.
Well, that's strange 
and on top of that, I didn't find the same video. This has most of it though.
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As to what I mean in case this one doesn't work either, this kid's lack of soul is astounding . Taken a look at the Hannibal show by any chance 
? I won't elaborate to avoid potential spoiler of course.
Admittedlly an upgrade, but still not sure its enough . Maybe he needs to just cover the midsection up altogether.
Hey dude, out of interest.. do you know any of these Australian bands at all? Mostly from the nineties and naughties, although some are still going.
Augie March
You Am I
Custard
Yves Klein Blue
Silverchair
Powderfinger
The Panics
The Living End
Jebediah
Regurgitator
Spiderbait
Little Birdy
Grinspoon
The Whitlams
I'm familiar with, hmmm, probably about half the names there. Silverchair and Powderfinger were quite well known over here in the late nineties and early 2000s when nu-metal and nu-grunge were the order of the day. And then when the great Strokes/Stripes explosion happened, I seem to remember You Am I being cited as a major influence on The Vines during the commercial heyday of 'Highly Evolved' and getting a fair bit of attention through that. Some of the others do ring a bell, but I’m having trouble actually placing the music. 
The Panics are still going too, aren't they?
I just remember that about 5-7 years ago, when I used to watch Fashion TV a lot and it showed these models videos, it seems like most of them are from July. Most of these models were Brazilian (Isabeli F, Izabel, Caroline T, Cintia etc.) but I remember Natasha Poly is a Cancer too.
Do you still have Fashion TV? If so, consider me jealous! We used to get it in the UK, then one day it just vanished off the face of the Earth. 
I was thinking more along the lines of Will and Willow Smith than Joe and Michael Jackson, not that Will needs his daughter's help in making stacks of money... 
She is! I heard she is pretty good, winning championships and all, but I would have to google-sadly I haven't heard about her before EURO. From what I remember they've been dating for quite some time, 5 years? There were rumours about them getting married this summer but I don't know if something's planned afterall.
It seems you can see her in action in quite a few different YouTube vids. Quite exciting, even for a pacifist like myself. Robert had better be on his best behaviour... 
Regarding the graph (I wrote this elsewhere to someone else, and am reposting it here):
I surmise that the permanent long term unemployment rate indicates that the Thatcher government cut them loose too quick for society, businesses and staffs to adjust with job loss & the markets. Enterprises need to time to right-size, restructure, and change the manner in which they produce their income in order to become more competitive on the global marketplace. eg. The shake-up of the British shipping industries certainly has something to do with strong cost-competitive status of the Japanese and South Korean manufacturers over the same time period.The effected sectors also were under the aegis of British industrial policy for far too long.
The de-industrializing shake-out during the Thatcher years can be compared to US de-industrialization over the late 60s and 70s (and to a much lessor extent, the 80s) but over a very short time period. But while US deindustrialization gave time for people to adjust to a service-lead economy and 'hard hat' firms to reorganize, the Thatcher politics didn't. I surmise that the 'deep shock' of this action disrupted too many people over too short of a time period so there is still intense dislike for her government amongst many Britons.
Agree with all that. It's interesting to read accounts of how she'll remembered outside the UK.
Well, that's strange
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As to what I mean in case this one doesn't work either, this kid's lack of soul is astounding
He looks a bit like a hybrid of he who must not be named (initials JB) and that kid from ‘Two and a Half Men’.
That Hannibal show looks pretty interesting, excellent cast too. Alas, I don't think it's reached our shores yet, but I'll definitely check it out if and when it does.
I'm familiar with, hmmm, probably about half the names there. Silverchair and Powderfinger were quite well known over here in the late nineties and early 2000s when nu-metal and nu-grunge were the order of the day. And then when the great Strokes/Stripes explosion happened, I seem to remember You Am I being cited as a major influence on The Vines during the commercial heyday of 'Highly Evolved' and getting a fair bit of attention through that. Some of the others do ring a bell, but I’m having trouble actually placing the music.
The Panics are still going too, aren't they?
Interesting, I wouldn't have really picked You Am I as an influence, although in fairness they've probably had an effect on almost all Australian bands in the rock scene over the past couple of decades. They're pretty much rock royalty here, although they've never really had a whole lot of mainstream success, far as I know. This year they're celebrating their 20th anniversary by touring two of their early (and seminal) albums Hi Fi Way and Hourly, Daily, which sould be pretty amazing. Funny, last year I saw two others from that list (Regurgitator and The Living End) do similar album tours.. seems something of a trend in recent years.
Are Augie March one of the ones you know? You might like them.. they're one of my favourite Aussie bands. The lead singer has got a bit of the 'tortured genius' thing going on.. he's a good performer, but he gets frustrated with himself (and possibly the band) when things aren't hit 100%, and he'll often stop a song and start it over. Their live shows can have a really weird vibe because of it, although it doesn't always happen. I'm not sure if they're still together actually - they haven't had a release for a few years, and I know the lead singer Glenn did some solo stuff at some stage.
Yves Klein Blue only got together in the mid naughties, but split after a few years - they were so underrated, and I always thought it was a shame they only lasted as long as they did. Not really sure what the circumstances of their split was.. they only released one album and an EP. Amazing voice (Y)
The Panics are still going too, yeah
Do you still have Fashion TV? If so, consider me jealous! We used to get it in the UK, then one day it just vanished off the face of the Earth.
I was thinking more along the lines of Will and Willow Smith than Joe and Michael Jackson, not that Will needs his daughter's help in making stacks of money...
How come?!? Yeah, I do have it but I haven't watched it a lot lately. When I get to see tv in the evening, they usually play "Fashion Divas" :yuckky: (music videos of the most famous female stars at the moment; I have MTV for that, thanks, plus they chose those videos randomly-I understand putting stylish stars there but are Kelly Clarkson and Ke$ha Divas? Fashion Divas?!?)
She is! I heard she is pretty good, winning championships and all, but I would have to google-sadly I haven't heard about her before EURO. From what I remember they've been dating for quite some time, 5 years? There were rumours about them getting married this summer but I don't know if something's planned afterall.
It seems you can see her in action in quite a few different YouTube vids. Quite exciting, even for a pacifist like myself.
I watched that video without sound nice, thanks (Y) by the way, I just found out he (Robert) shares Birthday with Usain Bolt. And I also found an old quote from the former coach of our team:
"Franciszek Smuda, the coach of Lech Poznan [not currently of course], made the journey to Gliwice to check out Lewandowski’s skills as a footballer. In 15 minutes Smuda was so unimpressed that he told to the person who scouted him: "You owe me petrol money. If I wanted to see trees I would have gone to the forest instead.”
Lmao I don't know when it happened but no wonder Smuda didn't lead us to the quarters of EURO (well, that's not only his fault but shhh) and now he's coaching some 2nd rate German team who wants to fire him already 
Admittedlly an upgrade, but still not sure its enough
It's like a microcosm of past and present superhero presentation. I can't truthfully say I know much about the character, but I do quite like the fact that he can fly and manipulate the wind, and that he draws strength from the Earth. Curious that a spider goddess gave him condor powers, though, isn't it? Some sort of crossed wires there, I guess.
As an investor for the past eight years, I can tell you that these liberal academics and liberal websites, no matter their fancy degrees and aspirations for governmental consulting fees, are misleading people and are dead wrong if they're blaming all of this on one man and one academic department. 
I have seen this claim in several places, but every time I've seen it, it doesn't hold muster. It's a political attack and sophistry, not real analysis based on commerce. It's cherry picking economic indicators from statistics software. They're attacking their competitors, so there's a self-interest motive here.
The gap between rich and poor was caused by the evolution of the productive business sectors, globalization, information technology, and several other more important factors, and much less on 'monetarism' and the federal reserve policy anti-inflation/debt capital markets rebalancing actions during the early 1980s.
Basically, based on stuff that most Economics Ph.D's barely studied.
I could vent more about how specious I think a lot of political macroeconomists are...They're only tangentially interested in truth. :-p
I read it in a book of Political Economy, I heard it about 6 months ago on a TV documentary, and we can find this perhaps too simplistic interpretation in lots of websites. Anyway what makes me indignant is the fact that, under the monetarist policies, the gap between rich and poor got wider.
As an investor for the past eight years, I can tell you that these liberal academics and liberal websites, no matter their fancy degrees and aspirations for governmental consulting fees, are misleading people and are dead wrong if they're blaming all of this on one man and one academic department.
The gap between rich and poor was caused by the evolution of the productive business sectors, globalization, information technology, and several other more important factors, and much less on 'monetarism' and the federal reserve policy anti-inflation/debt capital markets rebalancing actions during the early 1980s.
Basically, based on stuff that most Economics Ph.D's barely studied.
I could vent more about how specious I think a lot of political macroeconomists are...They're only tangentially interested in truth. :-p
OK. Thanks for your detailed explanation.
Oh, well happy belated birthday for March!
Thank you Michael. 
You can add the internet too now .
Also March and April are the most celebrated months of the year-many countries celebrate Mother Day,Father Day,Sports Day,School End Day,Spring Day,and others.
November seems popular too, but that one I can understand as it's about nine months after Valentine's Day.
Didn't know that you have funny,playful part. 
Hmmm, well, as a native north easterner, I'd have to say it's virtually impossible to speak positively about her from a political standpoint. She'll only ever be perceived here as the person who laid waste to the mining, shipbuilding and steel industries that were the lifeblood of the area at the time. But as with almost anyone in a position of such prominence, a lot would have probably depended on where you went and who you asked. She was a completely polarising figure - basically the heroine of 'the right' and the demon of 'the left' - authoritarian, ruthless, forthright and single-minded. Great if you agreed with what she did, your worst nightmare if not.
Sorry that her name brings bitter memories to mind and maybe heart.
Does this part of the country still suffer from what she did until now?
So her given nickname was typically right ''the Iron Lady''.She seems to be so devilish from what I got from your words.
To some, probably, but as I mentioned to Andy, so much depends on your perspective. I suppose my personal opinion more reflects her impact on the area than her overall place in history, and reading some of the news makes me realise how much anger there still is towards her around these parts. But I’m a little too young to remember it first hand or to have been directly affected by anything that went on at the time, so my views are garnered more from information passed down by older family members and whatnot. Hearing word of her passing made me think more about some of my uncles, and other north east miners and their families than anything else.
There's still a lot of unemployment, probably more than in most areas of the country, but we do still have some industry today. The Nissan car company and the IT sector are by far the biggest providers of jobs.
Sorry to know that some around you were affected,others too ofcourse.
I didn't know that Nissan is an English Car,though most of my family trade in cars,different kinds of cars and also from when I was young,I used to know all kinds and models of cars and their country of origin,but really never came by origin of Nissan,weird that I didn't notice.Sounds good for a source of living and employment,What is IT sector?Information Technology?
I'm familiar with, hmmm, probably about half the names there. Silverchair and Powderfinger were quite well known over here in the late nineties and early 2000s when nu-metal and nu-grunge were the order of the day. And then when the great Strokes/Stripes explosion happened, I seem to remember You Am I being cited as a major influence on The Vines during the commercial heyday of 'Highly Evolved' and getting a fair bit of attention through that. Some of the others do ring a bell, but I’m having trouble actually placing the music.
The Panics are still going too, aren't they?
Interesting, I wouldn't have really picked You Am I as an influence, although in fairness they've probably had an effect on almost all Australian bands in the rock scene over the past couple of decades. They're pretty much rock royalty here, although they've never really had a whole lot of mainstream success, far as I know. This year they're celebrating their 20th anniversary by touring two of their early (and seminal) albums Hi Fi Way and Hourly, Daily, which sould be pretty amazing. Funny, last year I saw two others from that list (Regurgitator and The Living End) do similar album tours.. seems something of a trend in recent years.
Are Augie March one of the ones you know? You might like them.. they're one of my favourite Aussie bands. The lead singer has got a bit of the 'tortured genius' thing going on.. he's a good performer, but he gets frustrated with himself (and possibly the band) when things aren't hit 100%, and he'll often stop a song and start it over. Their live shows can have a really weird vibe because of it, although it doesn't always happen. I'm not sure if they're still together actually - they haven't had a release for a few years, and I know the lead singer Glenn did some solo stuff at some stage.
Yves Klein Blue only got together in the mid naughties, but split after a few years - they were so underrated, and I always thought it was a shame they only lasted as long as they did. Not really sure what the circumstances of their split was.. they only released one album and an EP. Amazing voice
The Panics are still going too, yeah
Yeah, Augie March were one of the ones I’d heard of. I made a point of tracking down ‘One Crowded Hour’ after it was featured quite prominently in an episode of ‘Doctor Who’ about a year ago. Beyond that, they've never really had much publicity over here, which is a pity because you can't beat that kind of Jeff Buckley-esque emotional rollercoaster sound when it's done well.
I like the sound of both those Yves Klein Blue tracks, getting a sort of 'Mutations'-era Beck vibe with a dash of The Libertines mixed in for good measure. I’ve always been a bit of a sucker for pedal steel too.