Member Management

^Yeah, that all makes sense. It just seemed odd with some of the recent bannings - they seemed to happen very quickly without much/any discussion here. And when they re-register saying 'I used to post as X. My login stopped working so I made a new account' it seems like a breakdown of the procedure somewhere

^ Is there a particular member you are thinking of?

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Speaking of lack of discussion, paddywhacked/pheiress for some reason is no longer banned

^Well I believe it also happened with redxv, but let's just stick with Bast who said something of the sort when he reemerged as Bridgeburner. By the way I don't particularly care one way or the other that he was banned, but I guess understanding this specific situation would help clear up some things for me across the board

What was the suspicious behaviour that was reported? Was he approached about it or was he just monitored and subsequently banned when it kept happening? Was there a reason it wasn't discussed in here? Could you also explain the reasoning behind the IP trail (what you look for and what it proves)? eg. http://www.bellazon.com/main/topic/26654-member-management/?p=3368335

^ Is there a particular member you are thinking of?

 

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Speaking of lack of discussion, paddywhacked/pheiress for some reason is no longer banned

Can't only the Admins remove IP bans? if so Maybe Joe or SS felt she/he didn't need to be banned anymore?

Bast gave some members an odd vibe and it was mentioned by a couple of members in passing and casually Some of the conversations occurred in the SI 2013 PM. I think there are over 50 pages in that PM, but feel free to go through pages to find the exact conversations The conversations were never transferred into this thread b/c most (if not all) of the active staff members were on that email, so there didn't seem be a need. But I do hear you---perhaps in the future we should transfer  It was after sometime of mainly observing that we decided to look into his account and posting behaviors.

With the IP Addresses, it was odd he would have that many IP from proxy servers especially from a cellular carrier :notsure: That was why I posted the info you linked to, to see what other staff members with a better understanding about IP addresses had to say. There didn't seem to be any objections or opposing comments about it at the time so we went ahead with the banning.

 

^ Is there a particular member you are thinking of?

 

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Speaking of lack of discussion, paddywhacked/pheiress for some reason is no longer banned

Can't only the Admins remove IP bans? if so Maybe Joe or SS felt she/he didn't need to be banned anymore?

 

I think so but I will have to check on that. I will wait to hear from Joe, SS or MD--maybe they know something about this.

Bast gave some members an odd vibe and it was mentioned by a couple of members in passing and casually Some of the conversations occurred in the SI 2013 PM. I think there are over 50 pages in that PM, but feel free to go through pages to find the exact conversations The conversations were never transferred into this thread b/c most (if not all) of the active staff members were on that email, so there didn't seem be a need. But I do hear you---perhaps in the future we should transfer  It was after sometime of mainly observing that we decided to look into his account and posting behaviors.

With the IP Addresses, it was odd he would have that many IP from proxy servers especially from a cellular carrier :notsure: That was why I posted the info you linked to, to see what other staff members with a better understanding about IP addresses had to say. There didn't seem to be any objections or opposing comments about it at the time so we went ahead with the banning.

Also, granted I don't know enough about proxies/IPs and what not, but that doesn't really seem a tangible piece of evidence to me. For investigating duplicate accounts, sure, but it's too grey an area to call it proof of 'suspicious activity'. And surely we want votes of support rather than a lack of votes of opposition?

^ I hear you Perhaps you could make a proposal of all your suggestions for us moving forward. We could all discuss it and hopefully come to some sort of agreement, middle ground or compromise

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I don't really have anything specific in mind right now. Personally I just think we need a bit more clarity and accountability when it comes to bans - I think it's as simple as having more open discussions, and perhaps a more democratic approach to decision making? A forum is nothing without its members, and I think we should do all we can to retain them - even the ones most regard as annoying/stupid/abrasive/whatever. It takes all kinds

Anyone else, feel free to chip in

Why is Baggot back?

http://www.bellazon.com/main/user/86238-alex-vienna/

Has been placed on Mod Watch for 15 days do to homophobic slurs in Barbara's thread.

In my warning I directed him to look at BZ's rules so hopefully we won't have a repeat performance

It definitely wasn't me who unbanned any of them. Well, I don't know them, but I've also never unbanned anyone. I always start with the unofficial warning. After that, I usually disable their posting to get their attention. They then send me a pm 99.9% of the time asking why they can't post. I then get them to somehow convey that they understand the rule in order for the indefinite suspension to be reduced to a set suspension. After that, if they offend in the same way in a manner that doesn't appear to be an accident, they go through the standard three warnings system. After the third warning is a long suspension and after that, they are usually banned. In most cases, I can persuade people one on one. Its usually only hardcore racists, homophobes, spiteful offenders, fake agency scouts ect. that I end up having to ban without taking it to vote. Over 95% of the ones I've talked to have heeded my warnings though. Needless to say, I've never brought anyone back after investing in such a process for them already. Everyone has their own process when it comes to banning and we all come across different members in our browsing which is why members who aren't either spambots or no-brainer bans are generally put up to vote.

As to unbanning in general, seeing as how its already happened and its too late for me to vote, I will then vote that if such a thing were to become a trend, it would require all of the active staff to vote and have a minimum of more than 50% agree. I more importantly move that banning (unless its an inhuman spam bots or those who are just fool proof ban material) be put to vote to avoid any need for such a thing as unbanning in the first place. Even if we don't all just happen to be browsing on the same page at the moment, whoever proposes the vote can simply send pms to active members as a bat signal of sorts. 

Speaking of which, I'd still like an answer to the not90 question . 

This Alex person probably comes from one of those men's type forums that are more liberal. I think he'll get the message, but I'll keep an eye on him too. 

 

^ Is there a particular member you are thinking of?

 

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Speaking of lack of discussion, paddywhacked/pheiress for some reason is no longer banned

Can't only the Admins remove IP bans? if so Maybe Joe or SS felt she/he didn't need to be banned anymore?

 

Not me. When did she return?

The only times I go straight to banning is with spam accounts.

http://www.bellazon.com/main/user/86238-alex-vienna/

Has been placed on Mod Watch for 15 days do to homophobic slurs in Barbara's thread.

In my warning I directed him to look at BZ's rules so hopefully we won't have a repeat performance

Today he attempted to make a post in Barbara's thread attacking and baiting Kiki, I gave him another warning. If this happens a 3rd time I'm going to ban him. This guy is a racist, misogynistic, piece of dog.....

"Rather you will have a sclerosis and boobs flopping near the knees, than I´ll be banned. :neo2:"

Why is Baggot back?

He's back like he is posting? :notsure: When I checked his account he is still banned

 

 

^ Is there a particular member you are thinking of?

 

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Speaking of lack of discussion, paddywhacked/pheiress for some reason is no longer banned

Can't only the Admins remove IP bans? if so Maybe Joe or SS felt she/he didn't need to be banned anymore?

 

Not me. When did she return?

Not sure. I was following up on Pretty's post. When I checked the accounts paddywhacked & pheiress, neither were banned anymore so I am confused about what happened?

His account was online and it wasn't showing him banned. o.o And it doesn't look like he's posted. He made another account to PM me, but I don't know if he's been posting on it.

Lemme doubt check that account. One sec. - Update: http://www.bellazon.com/main/user/86490-eddie01/ hasn't been posting.

 Might have been a glitch in the system or something.

Do we have any word to give him about his ban, or do we just keep him banned and remove his new account?

What's our policy on removing warning points?

DanniCullen has sent me a pm asking me if I could remove her point, but I don't know if we're allowed to do that or not.

Passive aggressiveness just isn't my thing, so I'm just going to go with aggressive. WTH do I have to do to get an answer about the not90 thing :anger:  :anger: :anger: ?!  I only ask because I'm not a dictator, not because I need to practice my writing. If I needed practice, this wouldn't be my platform of choice. This person has sent me over ten messages now. In the mean time, I have this person's posting indefinitely disabled and let it be known that all two thousand of this person's pictures were hotlinked before, so if they do reform upon release, the dates should be considered. This is my last appeal on this issue. After this, I'll just let my will be done without regret . 

I also move to ban the Barbara thread person after the next offense. 

Warning Points

There is not concrete system when it comes to removing warnings, but we are allowed to. I removed your remember . Its pretty much up to the person that gave it. You can remove it if you believe that the person has gotten the message for the most part. I removed Squege's hotlinking warning when a conversation with her proved she had no idea what hotlinking was and she hasn't done it since. In the case of Danni, I think she needs to have a bit of time to prove that she won't do this thread thing again first.