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not90 doesn't appear to be hotlinking any more, I spotted a post by him using the hosting service imgur.com a couple of days ago, so I think it's probably safe to assume that he's taken heed there. Regarding the nudity issue, is there anything to be said for trying to find another member who speaks the same language, to either act as a go-between or do a bit of translating for us?
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I don't really have anything specific in mind right now. Personally I just think we need a bit more clarity and accountability when it comes to bans - I think it's as simple as having more open discussions, and perhaps a more democratic approach to decision making? A forum is nothing without its members, and I think we should do all we can to retain them - even the ones most regard as annoying/stupid/abrasive/whatever. It takes all kinds
Anyone else, feel free to chip in
I was gone when this was being discussed, and wanted to say that I agree 
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I recived a PM from:
Eddie01 (IP: 134.48.160.24 )
New Comer
- Members
- 0 posts
- 0 warning points
Sent Today, 03:55 PM
Prettyphile,
I write with the encouragement of jj3. My identity on this site is Eddie01, but I used to have an identity as BAGGOT. These are the only two names I have ever used on this site. For some reason, I was banned about a month or five weeks ago. I received one email from BZ administrators telling me that unusual activity had been associated with my account. At that time, I could not access BZ at all, even without logging in. I do not understand what happened, and I tried to write a reply email asking what had happened. I never received a response. After a few weeks, I established this new account, but I have refrained from commenting on any threads because I was uncertain what had happened before. I enjoy this site very much and have found friendships with some other contributors, most especially jj3. I sent him a note today for the first time since my banning to congratulate him on his latest posts on the Genevieve Morton thread, and he reacted as if I were a bad person, but he also told me to write directly to you. I feel I have done nothing wrong and have no idea why I was banned. The entire situation has upset me greatly. Any explanation would be welcome.
Eddie01/BAGGOT
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I've told him to sit tight, and I'd ask the Senior staff about the issue.
Since then I've spoken privately to PC as she was the one who banned Baggot and between the two of us we came up with a possible idea on how to handle this.
We take a vote for him to become unbanned... but if he does we put him on Mod Watch/Queue
Those of who have no idea why he was banned (other then the staff observing things over about 3 months)
Baggot: http://imgbox.com/8MJ4S3oB
njdvl32: http://imgbox.com/aoEOEa2f who Shares IP: redxv, energizer358
IMO this isn't a coincidence. They both happen to use a non popular screen shot of Lily? Yeah that happens often.
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And then there's this.
#1414 
BAGGOT (IP: 134.48.35.11)
Posted Today, 11:28 AM
Mmmmmy mmmmmorning is getting even better. New Mmmmmmartha! Thank you, Lenore. 
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#1415 energizer358 (IP: 172.56.37.237) (banned for having multiple accounts redxv & njdvl32)
Posted Today, 11:52 AM
Mmmmmartha looking good. By the way, I used to post as redxv. That name stopped working on bellazon.com for some reason. So, this is my new name.
Are they 12 year old girls who happen to be BFF's and think typing the same is super awesome fun? It doesn't add up..
So whatcha guys think about the situation? Do we allow Baggot back?
If we go to vote, mine would be a no.. Too many things don't add up, nor do they sit right with me.
^ has he been asked about his association with these other accounts?
I inquired about it a little over a month ago and got no reply back. I will again now that I know he's around for sure.
Update: Sent him the pm.
Here's his explanation as to why things don't seem to add up.
I can say only that I began using the Mmmmartha independently of those other members.
Redxv and I are not the same people, though we liked many of the same models--including Lily Aldridge.
If you and your managers check through my correpondence lists, which undoubtedly you can, you will see that he and I exchanged messages occasionally, just as I exchanged messages with other members of the BZ community (most expecially the TexasLonghorn, jj3, and ILUVBarbaraPalvin. I have no idea who njdvl32 is. In looking at the screen grabs you've made, I assume that the similarity is that our icons were the same pictures of Lily Aldridge. Your administrators will no doubt have noted that prior to the date that I changed to that icon, I had almost exclusively used images of Genevieve Morton, yet for whatever reason, this did not lead you all to think that jj3 and I were the same person. As for piggy-backing comments, that is so laughable that it almost hurts. Was I the only member whose comments piggy backed with those of friends regarding models we liked? Look at the content of virtually every thread on the site. Instead, ask the administrators to take a look in the mirror and consider whether a question to the member who is accused of something might not be appropriate prior to banning. Instead, what I received was no explanation, but I have found myself considered dishonest by people I trusted. Here, as I told jj3 last week, I was worried that my account had been hacked in some way, as the banning occurred shortly after we learned about potential weaknesses in serving security via yahoo and other sources. Instead I learn that some unnamed members were suspicious of me for sounding like someone else on the thread.
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Was I the only member whose comments piggy backed with those of friends regarding models we liked? Um no. LMS/LU - Track/Dreamss (and a plethora of 12 year old girls do/did it all the time.
I personally still don't buy it, nor do I buy two grown men typing the exact same way (regardless of who started Mmmmmartha first), but I'm willing to vote and go with the majority. (Mod queue if he comes back, till we can trust him), or (continue to stay banned)
Update: He's getting super pissy pants and throwing idle threats around it would seem.
Please know that I have not EVER established another identity on this site: only the original BAGGOT and now Eddie01. I have purposely not posted anything as Eddie01. I only came forward via PM to jj3 after he had posted some new work from his and my favorite, Genevieve Morton. I had missed our conversations, and he accused me of having been dishonest and using multiple identities. When I assured him of Eddie being my only other identity, he encouraged me to contact you and explain what had been happening. That is why I approached you initially, and I appreciate your help in looking into this. I would point out, however, that jj seemed to know that I had been accused of having more than one identity/presence on the site, which suggests that more than just the board knew of this accusation. As it is a false one, that could be a slander on me, and I am not using that term loosely: I mean legally a slander. That's really not good. Even if I remain banned from the community, I would like some acknowledgment from the board of their reasoning and an apology for an action that is bordering on illegal--not the banning, the slander.
My response:
I have no idea who might have said anything to jj3 as no one I know on the staff would of mentioned anything to him. Perhaps it was an educated guess on his part? At the end of the day does it really matter? Nope.
I honestly think you're being overly sensitive about the situation. The staff has never claimed they would talk out anything with any members and senior staff reserves the right to remove people from the forum as they see fit. Nothing anyone can do about it.
In 10+ years of either being staff, or knowing how they work, you're about the only one who's been this upset over something as trivial. Continuing to poke the sleeping bear isn't going to get you back onto the forum any quicker (trust me, I know.. I was banned many many years ago and given zero explanation as to why, nor was I allowed to plead my case. It took almost two months to clear up my case.) So I highly doubt you will get an apology because we simply don't owe you one. Like I said if you're unhappy with BZ as is and the way things can run, you might be happier elsewhere.
Till we find out anything please just sit tight. Note it could take away as we need a majority vote and 95% of the staff seems MIA atm. I'm doing all I can. Sorry for the delay.
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Even the known asshole (Trackk/Dreamss) didn't push this hard to come back and make a point of being "right".. I can honestly say that I've never seen an ex member loosely threaten us with "slander" 
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Update 2:
Fair enough. And you're right, I am angry at all this. Maybe needlessly so. I will relax. It's just been a very frustrating experience. Your honesty and advice is really appreciated. Sitting tight.
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If he was so angry, why did it take him almost a month to contact us about this? My guess is he's bored and wants back on the forum.
^So what evidence is there that they are the same person? Even though I do believe they probably are by the way they talk/writing styles etc. But just wondering for the benefit of the doubt
PC found the identical avatar pictures being used. Now if they were very well known pics I could maybe see a couple people using them, but they weren't, they were screen caps, bad quality and not popular, so why on god's green earth would two people be using them? The reality is they wouldn't. The avatars were being use by one guy who had three accounts confirmed, and and BAGGOT.
Then there's the leap frog posting between Baggot and Mister Three Account guy.
The only time I've ever seen accounts leap frog that much is when they were people with multiple accounts (Sweet Lu/LMS ... Trackk/Dreamss)... and I'll stand by it, it looks really bad when two grown men are posting 5-20 mins a part in almost every single thread they both go to every single time
Then there's the typing issue. Either Baggot has a stalker on his hands who loves his models avatars, and types exactly like him, or he's trolling? O.o
And lastly why did it take so long for Baggot to get back to us? You'd think if he was truly innocent he would of contacted us right away. But nope, he stat around on his ass fishing for BZ members to tell him what they knew.
I'm pretty sure, in fact I'd be willing to bet that Baggot got bored since school is over, and thought he could talk his way out of his ban with excuses. And because his ban was based after gut reactions and from observations of his posting style for awhile we have nothing "concrete" to give to him.
Between Proxies, cell phones, dynamic ip's... finding "proof" is very difficult thing to do, so as staff we often need to fall back on our gut/observations to make final calls. It sucks, but it's the reality of the internet.
^Interesting. Well I guess going with the gut is best then
Also keep up with member:
karensmith
They have been reposting images and creating topics consistently, especially in the Jayne Moore thread. I PM'd her about this the first time, and got no response. I send them a second PM now warning them of the same thing, and telling them that if it continues their posting abilities would be taken away
Also keep up with member:
They have been reposting images and creating topics consistently, especially in the Jayne Moore thread. I PM'd her about this the first time, and got no response. I send them a second PM now warning them of the same thing, and telling them that if it continues their posting abilities would be taken away
Sent her a similar PM just this morning after responding to a report about another duplicate thread, but have yet to receive a response. If it happens again, I suggest we put her on mod watch.
Received this from FashionDream via PM today. I don't know much about this FoF guy, but I see he was banned for suspected multiple accounts violations and baiting other members back in March...
A poster by the name of Fckall is sending me weird PM's... I don't even know this person, he's just harassing me because I have Leo in my avi.... In the PM he sent me he wrote "Fof" that's the name of a poster who used to post here who I believe got banned. So of you can notify the other Admins about this poster that would be great.
not90 doesn't appear to be hotlinking any more, I spotted a post by him using the hosting service imgur.com a couple of days ago, so I think it's probably safe to assume that he's
! I'll see if I can get Squeege or Reeyo to translate if the next issue appears to be due to said language barrier. I'd rather that than the google translator. 
. I'm going to inquire of the matter further, but just figured I'd mention it.
Does she go to a university, and if so is she using the pc's are school? If an entire university goes out through one public IP, all those clients will appear to you as one IP address.
There is no limit to the number of computers on a NAT (It converts the private addresses that are assigned to the internal computers to one or more public addresses that are visible on the Intern), however there is a limit to the number of simultaneous connections because of the possibility of ephemeral port exhaustion. More computers usually means more connections so there is a practical limit to how many computers will typically share the same IP address. Usually with a very large number of computers, multiple IP addresses will be shared in a pool to be used for NAT.
Now if she's not at school then you've got something to look at. Static IP's cannot be shared. IP addresses are technically not able to be hacked. They're fundamental to routing data on the internet, and as such an attempt to hack an IP address would break the hackers connection to whatever he was trying to access. Two machines can appear to have the same IP address on the internet at the same time if they happen to both be behind the same router.
In your home, you may have a router that connects to the internet as provided by your ISP. That connection can then be shared among multiple computers.
Part of what's being shared in the IP address.
The IP address is actually assigned to the router - it then in turn assigns local area network IP addresses to each of the machines connected to it. These are usually addresses of the form 192.168.x.x which by definition cannot appear on the internet itself. Each time a machine makes a request of the internet the IP address is "translated" by the router and appears to come from the single internet IP address that was assigned to it.
In other words, all the machines behind the router look like they have the same IP address on the internet. The other way two machines can appear to have the same IP address on the internet at different times if they connect via DHCP.
DHCP, for Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, is one of the ways that ISPs re-use IP addresses when computers aren't continuously connected (and even sometimes when they are).
DHCP dates back to the days of dialup when computers were typically only connected for a short while before someone had to use the telephone again. When you connected your computer via dialup, an IP address was assigned on the spot, and when they disconnected it was released. If another computer came along and dialed up after you had disconnected there is a good possibility that they might be assigned the same IP address that you'd just been using.
Even though we're often connected for much longer, the same technology is still in use. Depending on your equipment and how you connect it's very possible that your ISP is assigning you an IP address when you first connect and releasing it some time later. Once again, if after you disconnect someone else comes along it's possible that they could be assigned that IP that you'd just been using. And much like dialup, they really don't have to be all that close to you either, they simply need to be using the same ISP.
To muddy the waters even further, you don't really even have to disconnect to have your IP address released out from underneath you and placed back into the available pool. The protocol is such that you'd be assigned a new one immediately, and you'd never notice, but I've seen it happen. The net effect is that even if you're connected continuously your IP address could change, and the one you had been using could be assigned to another machine elsewhere.
Country Country Code Region City Latitude Longitude ISP UNITED STATES US TEXAS BURLESON 32.542080 -97.320847 AT&T INTERNET SERVIC... United States US not found not found 38.000000 -97.000000 AT&T U-verse us us tx richardson 32.950001 -96.709000
att internet service...
IP: 99.65.57.170
Decimal: 1665218986
Hostname: 99-65-57-170.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net
ISP: AT&T U-verse
Organization: AT&T U-verse
Services: None detected
Type: Broadband
Assignment: Static IP
Now we look at Cell Phones:
Some earlier smartphone users have bought a static, or permanent, IP Address, which can still be used today. However, it is much more common for a phone to have a dynamic IP. If all phones had a static IP, there would simply be too many. A static IP address is an address permanently assigned to a workstation or cell phone (ie they'd be using the same phone or pc to log in). A dynamic IP address is an address that is used for the current session only. When the session is terminated, the IP address is returned to the list of available addresses.
So it sounds like AT&T U-Verse might use DHCP due to them being DSL.
Let's keep an eye on her for now. If she jumps from Dallas to somewhere else, this could be an issue
Yeah, Its definitely possible and I hope it is the cast , but it was just the 'happy Monday' that got me 
(because its one of the worst catch phrases ever) and all the accounts just seemed like pouring it on after that. Hopefully it is the former, but we will keep an eye on it indeed.
I've been away from the site for a little while, so I'm weighing in a little late here, but regarding the BAGGOT situation, I'd err on the side of believing him. He's not really doing any harm, and will be on a short leash while under mod watch.
, but I'm giving dice an opportunity to explain. This post was very spammeresque and had his email address listed like forty some odd times and had like thirty pictures of himself and or this person. In the mean time, I've deleted his post and disabled his ability to post. He does indeed have only that post, so if he doesn't give a satisfactory explaination, nothing is lost.
What's our policy on removing warning points?
DanniCullen has sent me a pm asking me if I could remove her point, but I don't know if we're allowed to do that or not.
We could but for record keeping purposes I think it is best we don't, especially if it is a recent warning.
PC!!! You're back, are you feeling better hun? 
Just got a report from DivineCandice saying she thinks candicelovercovu has multiple accounts. I check his IPs and he only has one IP address: 88.169.151.29
All the accounts associated with that IP are:
Machismo Poison
staff.candicelover@gmail.com
Posts: 33
Reg: Jun 17 2014 @ 04:16 PM
Last Used: Jun 29 2014 @ 05:54 AM
candicelovercovu
keso.abuladze@gmail.com
Posts: 149
Reg: Feb 14 2014 @ 11:25 AM
Last Used: Jun 12 2014 @ 12:48 PM
ilovecandiceswanepoel
vangelsfans@mail.ru
Posts: 39
Reg: Sep 19 2013 @ 06:25 AM
Last Used: Feb 17 2014 @ 01:04 PM
Other Notes:
- All 3 has only one IP and all are identical
- ilovecandiceswanepoel: currently on Mod Watch, has 3 warnings (Hotlinking and promoting personal site: candicelover.co.vu)
- candicelovercovu: Has one warning for promoting personal site candicelover.co.vu
Obviously there there is a multiple accounts violation but I thought I would ask the rest of you how you think we should proceed. Thanks!
Ask why they have so many accounts, and if they give you some BS story that they forgot their password for each account, then ask them why after they made the second account didn't they contact staff to let them know they had made another account.
I'd say perm mod watch is needed, or a ban.. your call hun