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Strangely enough, my favorite role of Gwyneth's isn't the one she won for, but that Shallow Hal . It was also interesting that she said in an interview that Jay-Z was her best friend . I had already seen the clip actually. I don't watch the show live, but I have it and the Soup set to an autorecord program. Maybe I just have a weakness for female comedians .

That was definitely the dish I meant. In the restaurant, they referred to it as the 'Polish burrito' so I assumed that they just used cabbage for a wrap instead of a tortilla. I never eat beef unless I'm assured its grass fed instead of grain fed though so I get chicken or fish in mine.

East Timor, interesting . Yes, I speak Spanish, Greek and Japanese (can't read or write the symbols though) and am about 30% with Swahili and French. I was going to learn Dutch because a hot Dutch woman flirted with me one time and I couldn't understand what she was saying. They have good food too. There are other languages such as Korean, Polish ect. that I can say a lot of words for foods and plants in, but can't actually put a sentence together . That is true that the stereotype is about English type people in general rather than just Americans. I guess since like you said we don't have as many jobs where you need other languages. To be honest, there isn't really even a need for anything other than English or Spanish for most Americans and even Spanish is only useful because of the illegal immigrants for the most part as most legal immigrants have learned English already. I've actually never met anyone from say Africa that didn't speak English and most of them speak at least five or more languages. I still find languages fascinating and there's something about the shock on someone's face when they see you speak their language.

Joe: How do you learn languages yet be illiterate at the languages at the same time?

I studied Mandarin throughout grade school and college and I have Mandarin as one of my skills on my CV. I can communicate with Chinese although not at the highest adult level. On the East coast, and in New York City in particular, being able to speak Mandarin is an advantage and more important than Spanish or any other language.

I can soften up Chinese I talk to through conference call and in person, and then when we get to business, we switch back into English. I can attend events hosted by local leaders of the Chinese business, cultural, and political community in the city without being clueless and leaving with no benefits.

And of course Layla, for those people who work for a multinational, the government, or are involved in international business, having CV with foreign language and cultural skills opens up more opportunities to add value and work outside of the US in foreign affiliates.

I didn't know who that was but I did google it...so why regret it ? :-)

Here is French kiki's cliches thread :

http://www.bellazon....h-thats-cliche/

I was planning on doing Russia and former communist bloc cliches but I forgot about it..Russia/former SU is subject to some of the worst stereotypes by Americans, and most of them are very stupid. The legacy of the cold war still exists, but it has faded a little over time.

This is probably one of our worst areas as far as international impressions go, as a lot of misinformation, distortions, and insults were created by libertarians and conservatives and used for political/influencing purposes and propaganda (it's an integral part of the right wing world view)

My Russian pal despises it immensely, and his point of view was illuminating. I've heard that Russians find all of it to be infuriating..

Strangely enough, my favorite role of Gwyneth's isn't the one she won for, but that Shallow Hal . It was also interesting that she said in an interview that Jay-Z was her best friend . I had already seen the clip actually. I don't watch the show live, but I have it and the Soup set to an autorecord program. Maybe I just have a weakness for female comedians .

That was definitely the dish I meant. In the restaurant, they referred to it as the 'Polish burrito' so I assumed that they just used cabbage for a wrap instead of a tortilla. I never eat beef unless I'm assured its grass fed instead of grain fed though so I get chicken or fish in mine.

East Timor, interesting . Yes, I speak Spanish, Greek and Japanese (can't read or write the symbols though) and am about 30% with Swahili and French. I was going to learn Dutch because a hot Dutch woman flirted with me one time and I couldn't understand what she was saying. They have good food too. There are other languages such as Korean, Polish ect. that I can say a lot of words for foods and plants in, but can't actually put a sentence together . That is true that the stereotype is about English type people in general rather than just Americans. I guess since like you said we don't have as many jobs where you need other languages. To be honest, there isn't really even a need for anything other than English or Spanish for most Americans and even Spanish is only useful because of the illegal immigrants for the most part as most legal immigrants have learned English already. I've actually never met anyone from say Africa that didn't speak English and most of them speak at least five or more languages. I still find languages fascinating and there's something about the shock on someone's face when they see you speak their language.

And of course Layla, for those people who work for a multinational, the government, or are involved in international business, having CV with foreign language and cultural skills opens up more opportunities to add value and work outside of the US in foreign affiliates.

Joe: How do you learn languages yet be illiterate at the languages at the same time?

I studied Mandarin throughout grade school and college and I have Mandarin as one of my skills on my CV. I can communicate with Chinese although not at the highest adult level. On the East coast' date=' and in New York City in particular, being able to speak Mandarin is an advantage and more important than Spanish or any other language.

I can soften up Chinese I talk to through conference call and in person, and then when we get to business, we switch back into English. I can attend events hosted by local leaders of the Chinese business, cultural, and political community in the city without being clueless and leaving with no benefits.

And of course Layla, for those people who work for a multinational, the government, or are involved in international business, having CV with foreign language and cultural skills opens up more opportunities to add value and work outside of the US in foreign affiliates. [/quote']

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Learning as a child can be an advantage for many reasons. If I had started in say middle school and it wasn't manditory for a class, I may not have been as motivated. The Spanish was a bit

of a freebie due to the Afro-Mexican relatives. The Greek came probably because I was so fascinated with Greek literature as a child and so many words have Greek

roots anyway. I definitely wouldn't call myself 'literate' in Japanese seeing as how I can't actually read or write the 'symbols' or traditional Japanse chaligrophy. I can communicate

with someone who speaks only Japanese and watch Japanese shows without subtitles, but I definitly couldn't command top dollar on the lecture circuit over there by any means .

I always love the surprise that I see in people when they see an American speaking their language though. Chinese is one of the ones I kindof gave up on . Its good to know

that you can communicate in it though and also interresting to hear that Mandarin is more of a commodity in NYC than the Spanish language.

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Strangely enough' date=' I think I haven't seen more than 3 films with her

I know, right? But the Martins are friends with the Carters for some time now. I remember watching Glastonbury 2011 concert on the tv and Gwyneth was there with Jay and Bey. And weren't

Jay and Chris performing together at the last New Year's Eve in New York? Joe, I googled pics of them and you can see, even by hairstyles that their friendship has been going for

at least a few years now.[/quote']

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I wasn't surprised about them being friends, but only when she said that he was her 'best' friend .

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I assume it was better to call it a Polish burrito as the Polish name for this dish is gołąbki' date=' meaning 'little pigeons' which is strange and when I was a

little girl (kindergarden age) I thought, as many of other kids did too, that the meat inside it is from dead pigeons, the old ones that just died naturally btw, what kind of meat

was used in it?!??

As for langueages, that's the first link I found when I searched for 'the most difficult langauges' (search in Polish):

http://infografika.n...-jezyki-swiata/

I've always heard that from European languages, only Hungarian is more difficult than Polish but upon looking into other websites, it looks like Estonian may be between those 2. Anyway, Polish is still in top 10.

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I might not have eaten it at the time if I thought it had pigeons in it based on the things I've seen pigeons eat . Strangely enough, I still ate bacon after my pig friend died whereas I stopped eating pig bacon from seeing my next pig friend eat his own turds . I still eat wild boar though since they have a much healthier diet plus its self defense so I don't feel as bad. Anyway, most of the 'golabkis' in the restaurant had beef, pork or mystery meat . I make my own now although I don't currently eat any beef that isn't hormone free, grass fed and free range. Interesting that Estonian was added. I never thought about that seeing as how I haven't heard it spoken that much . The ones I've met speak English and I haven't been over there. Admittedly, not having anyone to speak with in said language is usually a demotivator on my end. I mean, I could read 'Les Miserables' and 'War and Peace' in the time it takes to learn some languages that I may not get to use. Maybe that kindof logic is part of why its so much easier to learn as a child. On the other hand, its not that hard to at least be competent in a language seeing as how while on vacation, people seem to work with you if you at least know a little.

I wasn't surprised about them being friends, but only when she said that he was her 'best' friend .

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I might not have eaten it at the time if I thought it had pigeons in it based on the things I've seen pigeons eat . Strangely enough, I still ate bacon after my pig friend died whereas I stopped eating pig bacon from seeing my next pig friend eat his own turds . I still eat wild boar though since they have a much healthier diet plus its self defense so I don't feel as bad. Anyway, most of the 'golabkis' in the restaurant had beef, pork or mystery meat . I make my own now although I don't currently eat any beef that isn't hormone free, grass fed and free range. Interesting that Estonian was added. I never thought about that seeing as how I haven't heard it spoken that much . The ones I've met speak English and I haven't been over there. Admittedly, not having anyone to speak with in said language is usually a demotivator on my end. I mean, I could read 'Les Miserables' and 'War and Peace' in the time it takes to learn some languages that I may not get to use. Maybe that kindof logic is part of why its so much easier to learn as a child. On the other hand, its not that hard to at least be competent in a language seeing as how while on vacation, people seem to work with you if you at least know a little.

Ah I see well, she seems to be best friends with many people. But the Carters seem to really be 'the best'. I wonder how Gwyneth calls Jay in real life, because in one of the recent articles she referred to him as 'my friend Sean-Jay Z-Carter' and in another interview she referred to Bilyl Joel as 'William'

Ah don't worry, 'gołąbki' don't have pigeon meat in them. Now that I think about it I have no idea where the name come from. I don't eat beef, it's not very popular here anyway. I usually eat pork, poultry or turkey. Other kinds of meat, not really, at least it would be difficult for me to think of the last time I ate a different kind of meat from those 3 mentioned. I haven't eat rabbit pâté or anything with rabbit meat since I was a little girl and accidentally saw that movie scene where a man with a strange satisfaction rips off skin from a rabbit and I had a bunny when I was a teenager.

When it comes to Estonian... Estonians know English very well and there are not a lot of Estonians anyway so I'm sorry to say, but I kind of see no point in learning their language unless you plan to live there or work for a company where the language would be useful.

Admittedly, not having anyone to speak with in said language is usually a demotivator on my end.-very good point

I don't eat much rabbit either and in part due to a similar experience . As to Polish food, I loved the Makowiek more though .

I assume you have an opinion about the following seeing as how both fashion models and the star of GG are well known for it . Anyway, I was wondering what you consider ideal woman legs to be. The most common factor for most of the world seems to be longness with the other aspects varying moreso. I've always found the different perspectives of the African and Caucasian American perspectives to be interesting. Believe it or not, longness alone isn't commonly praised among African Americans. As a matter of fact, most that I know would even refer to the vast majority of fashion model legs as 'too skinny' and prefer what is referred to as 'big legs' like Beyonce's above) whereas there are a lot of Caucasian American women who say they're just fat. On the other hand, Caucasian American women seem to like Rhihanna's legs more than African American women, so its an interesting thing to me. I could say I'm in the middle in a way. On one hand, fat isn't the world I'd use for Beyoncé's legs as I actually love the thighs. My only criticism would be that the calves don't seem in proportion to them and I do agree with the contingent that gives Rihanna the edge in that category (though not as significant as the disparity of talent obviously). As to myself, the first legs I ever came to admire were dancer's legs because of the shape and the fact that they had some tone, but were still very feminine at the same time. I would still say as a group, long legged dancers (such as ballet, contemporary, jazz) and feminine athletes would both be ranked above models on my end although models are strong as a group. So overall, the shape and powerfullness (with femininity) rank much higher in my estimation than longness alone, but its hard not to give the edge to one with both obviously. Even with that though, I'm not sure which I prefer out of shaped yet feminine or softness. I actually like some slim legs too, if its the natural size as what's the natural size for one may be skinny but still have some meat whereas it doesn't work for me as well with someone who's natural size it isn't. I hope this makes any kindof sense .

Makowiec! I doubt Polish cuisine will ever be as popular as Italian or Chinese, but I believe it'll get more popular. I remember reading an interview with Rene Mazepi? Wait, let me google him, I mean the guy who is an owner of the best restaurant in the world-Noma-which is placed in Copenhagen. It's Medzepi, see, I wasn't that far anyway he and a group of chefs were visiting one of the regions known for really good traditional food and he was amazed by some taste combination we have and the fact that many people grow things they later eat in a garden.

That's a really interesting issue to discuss!

See, I am not very objective, I guess. Shamelessly I admit I find my legs to be my best feature. Like, 10/10 and 9/10 on a bad day. I like to wear things which show them. I have quite many dresses and skirts, most of them are above-knees length. My legs are long and slim but not crooked(?). Thank God I don't have 'cankles' and I think they have good calves-thighs proportions. BUT I agree about this 'culture' thing, or it may be just preference. Because I remember you mentioning it numerous times that you find dancers' legs the best, so mine could look like they are too thin or don't have enough 'meat'.

Ideal legs? Let me think about that...

As to mention a few names. I think Blake Lively's legs are really good-looking. She's tall and slim, but not 'model slim' and I think her legs are proportionate. Yet when my mum saw Blake on tv or in a magazine, she said that "her legs look like Miss Piggy's [The Muppets] legs" O.o and all I could think of was that she's the only person who said something negative about them because it seems that even those who are not fans of Blake admit her legs are heavenly. Similar thing with Beyonce, she caught a concert with her once and said "she's got big thighs" and I replied "so? She's wonderful anyway".

Minka Kelly and Leighton Meester seem to be similar look-wise, and that includes legs. When they are in flat shoes, you can see they have 'cankles'. Sometimes it's visible in shoes as well. Look at this link: http://bmmoejackson2.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/minka-kelly-vh1-nyc-1.jpg?w=620 maybe it's a weird photo angle but if ankles don't have a right 'cut' in them, it's more difficult to find shoes that won't enhance that. And it's something you can't get rid of, even long-legged girls can have cankles.

Kenza Zouiten has good legs, but she's just all-around-gorgeous girl anyway.

Anja Rubik's legs are soooo long but a bit too... I don't know how to describe it... like, there's not a lot of difference in 'width' between thighs and calves and I don't think that's a good look. Same with Alexa Chung.

Iman is one of these women for whom the rule of not showing too much legs at certain age doesn't apply. She's out of this world anyway haha, that reminded me of something. About a year ago I was shopping for some bathroom items with my mum and a middle-aged woman (I guess 45? Maybe older) asked us about something. Anyway, from the waist up she looked average, maybe some would say tacky, as she was wearing a tight mini dress in pink leopard print, and obviously she didn't have abs of steel so you could see 'rolls' around her waist. But my God, did she not have gorgeous legs. I mean, absolutely NO veins visible, not cellulite... slim, like of 20-something year old girl! I told my mum that I know at a certain age it isn't appropriate to wear such clothes but when I am her age and my legs would look THAT good, I wouldn't care for such rules.

All in all I prefer slim legs over dancers legs, but I don't like very 'crooked' and skinny ones. Big thighs are not nearly as bad as big calves. And I feel sorry for girls with cankles cause what can you do with that?

It seems to me Polish, Hungarian and Korean cuisine among others will probably continue to grow in popularity even if they don't reach Italian and Chinese. That's interesting about the chef too.

Nothing wrong with being proud of one's legs . The story with the woman in the store proves the point that they may be the best (of the body) features to have as a strength seeing as how they last longer and of course Iman is another one who defies 'rules' so to speak. The bosom may start to become deflated, the bottom may get cellulite quicker, the abs will be harder and harder to keep toned the older you get, but the legs will likely outlast all of those things. I've never heard anyone criticize Blake's legs either but there's probably nothing full safe I guess . I think Minka has better lips whereas Leighton has a better smile. It seems to me that Minka's expression looks closer to bratty whereas Leighton's looks more like a cute mischievous, so I like her more on those grounds even though I don't know much about either's personalities that is.

I must make one clarification though in that I think dancers and maybe feminine athletes might have for me the best average for a group whereas I'm undecided about the individual best. The groups of course being based on professions as its more difficult to categorize otherwise since leg types aren't a commonality in general professions . I'm still not sure what my individual favorite is. Tone vs. softness? Inbetween vs. both? Slim legs also have their own advantages as when doing say the salsa or something like that, you can do more interesting lifts with skinnier legs because you can get your hand around them or do the split lift. They also wrap more gracefully around the partner's leg as well. I do prefer long over short when everything else is equal though. Seeing as how I like most kinds and every group has individual 10s in the group. For example, fashion models as a group are probably more beautiful than actresses although Audrey Hepburn, Kristen Kreuk ect. are more beautiful (to me) than most models. Also, I find it difficult to describe what I mean by 'meat.' For example, to me Josie's

legs have 'meat' even though her legs aren't 'meaty.' http://images.search...bK&fr=altavista

This woman has a longer version of the same type.

http://images.search...bK&fr=altavista

Two women can have legs of the same thickness and one have more meat than the other. Skaters also seem to hav nice legs, assuming its not an optical illusion from the gracefulness of skating anyway . LOL @ the 'cankles' thing .

Catherine McNeil has been 'very expensive' as of late

^ I don't know, all I see is 'harsh' looking and the look of her eyes... I stand by my opinion that she looks skinnier compared to what she used to be like and to me that's a negative change.

It seems to me Polish, Hungarian and Korean cuisine among others will probably continue to grow in popularity even if they don't reach Italian and Chinese. That's interesting about the chef too.

Nothing wrong with being proud of one's legs . The story with the woman in the store proves the point that they may be the best (of the body) features to have as a strength seeing as how they last longer and of course Iman is another one who defies 'rules' so to speak. The bosom may start to become deflated, the bottom may get cellulite quicker, the abs will be harder and harder to keep toned the older you get, but the legs will likely outlast all of those things. I've never heard anyone criticize Blake's legs either but there's probably nothing full safe I guess . I think Minka has better lips whereas Leighton has a better smile. It seems to me that Minka's expression looks closer to bratty whereas Leighton's looks more like a cute mischievous, so I like her more on those grounds even though I don't know much about either's personalities that is.

I must make one clarification though in that I think dancers and maybe feminine athletes might have for me the best average for a group whereas I'm undecided about the individual best. The groups of course being based on professions as its more difficult to categorize otherwise since leg types aren't a commonality in general professions . I'm still not sure what my individual favorite is. Tone vs. softness? Inbetween vs. both? Slim legs also have their own advantages as when doing say the salsa or something like that, you can do more interesting lifts with skinnier legs because you can get your hand around them or do the split lift. They also wrap more gracefully around the partner's leg as well. I do prefer long over short when everything else is equal though. Seeing as how I like most kinds and every group has individual 10s in the group. For example, fashion models as a group are probably more beautiful than actresses although Audrey Hepburn, Kristen Kreuk ect. are more beautiful (to me) than most models. Also, I find it difficult to describe what I mean by 'meat.' For example, to me Josie's

legs have 'meat' even though her legs aren't 'meaty.' http://images.search...bK&fr=altavista

This woman has a longer version of the same type.

http://images.search...bK&fr=altavista

Two women can have legs of the same thickness and one have more meat than the other. Skaters also seem to hav nice legs, assuming its not an optical illusion from the gracefulness of skating anyway . LOL @ the 'cankles' thing .

Leighton played a b***h on "Gossip Girl" yet all the reports seem to say she's nothing like that in real life. Contrary to what is rumoured about Minka, that she thinks of herself as if she was 'above others' and is only nice to people who can help in her career. Who knows what the truth is though.

Uhm yeah but that's my mum, she gives such strange opinions sometimes.

That's what I like about legs! they seem to 'age' the slowest. I wish that more women would wear skirts and dresses on a daily basis, I feel like in fact they are more helpful in 'masking' imperfections with legs shape etc. Whereas in pants any imperfections are more visible and I see girls tend to have skinny jeans as their pants of choice and that's not always a good look plus I don't really see skirt and dresses as much less comfortable, except for sports of course.

I prefer the longer version maybe it's just the way Josie is posing but to me I don't see her&other model's legs as the same type...

Cankles are nothing to laugh about, Joe!

Layla, what do you think of Monica 'going sexy'/beachwear? Does it work? This is the first time I've seen her in this type of shoot.

Vogue Germany 2013

"Sommer" shot by Greg Kadel

Sommer

German Vogue June 2013

Directed by Greg Kadel

nudity

That's actually only her second time appearing topless. The first time was a black&white photo by Patrick Demarchelier a couple of months ago.

I am glad Monika never got into 'too skinny' mode or didn't have any 'dramatic change', which would be possible considering she was only 12, 13 when she started and was still growing up. It still blows my mind when I remind myself she was just 13 when she landed Hermes campaign with Daria Werbowy, photographed by Peter Lindbergh! In one of the interviews she mentioned they were talking about Poland. Anyway, her family is involved in sports so I guess it helped her with maintaining a good-looking body and health. Her sister Anna, even though she's not a model was featured in 4F campaign recently (sportswear company) and she's also beautiful.

It's kind of strange seeing her doing sexier photoshoots but I guess it has more to do with the fact I can't believe she's an adult yet plus, as long as she doesn't go the Lara Stone risky photoshoots style it's all good

That's a...very young age to start modeling. So her body matured very quickly? She must have super-genes...13 years old and passing herself off as a twenty year old...

Lara Stone was a great nude model though :-p

I don't think that Monica is an adult yet either. She looks 'forever 16, maybe 18'. So the sexy stuff is odd to see from her.

Do you like her modeling? I think she's okay, and is an adequate fit for most that she has done. But I don't think that she has done much that's truly memorable yet. She's beautiful, but she always have the same expression & I always recognize that she is just herself in the pose.

- You can hide from the media if you really want to.

- Money can keep you out of jail even if you're obviously guilty. Of course, this is obvious, but it was one of the first lessons I learned from celebrities as a child anyway.

- Don't force your child to be a professional performer at the age of 5 no matter how talended they are.

- Even if they've lived a pampered life and even when they'll only be there for a couple of hourse, rich people can still produce equally pucked up mug shots.

- Say no to drugs.

- To most people, pretty and famous > really pretty in day to day life. I've never got that, but it seems to be the case.

- People take their celebrity encounters seriously. If many people 'meet' you for a second and you have a frown, you're a 'fake SOB or b****'. It can't possibly be that

you were having a bad day or going through something, but because you're a celebrity, that one half second that they encountered you defines who you are as a person.

- Money can really improve your looks. Just by virtue of a little makeup, a stylist, nice clothes and some straightened teeth, many celebrities who looked pucked up in their high school year book

look much better 20 years later.

- Good looks and money don't automatically equal a happy marriage or relationship.

- People will forgive what you say if they think its funny.

- The grass isn't always greener. Various celebs I wanted to be like as a child turned out to have lives I wouldn't have envied if I could have foreseen.

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Feel free to share what you've learned . *edit* This originally had pictures, but the links were broken although I assume there are more than enough examples of each to go around.

That's a...very young age to start modeling. So her body matured very quickly? She must have super-genes...13 years old and passing herself off as a twenty year old...

Lara Stone was a great nude model though :-p

I don't think that Monica is an adult yet either. She looks 'forever 16, maybe 18'. So the sexy stuff is odd to see from her.

Do you like her modeling? I think she's okay, and is an adequate fit for most that she has done. But I don't think that she has done much that's truly memorable yet. She's beautiful, but she always have the same expression & I always recognize that she is just herself in the pose.

Well, that's how she looked like at 16:

She didn't really pass herself to be 20 they just liked her so much they casted her immediately

I'm not denying it, there's a reason why she rarely ever had clothes on in her photoshoots I just mean that some of her editorials looked tacky or just strange. I think there was a photoshoot with her in the woods, completely naked but with a tv on her head? And another photo had her laying with caviar near her crotch? I don't remember well but it was a very weird photoshoot.

Yes, she looks younger than she is... but not quite like Barbara Palvin. Barbara's commercial for Intimissimi is played here pretty often and I don't think she was the right choice. She's pretty, but it feels like looking at 16-year-old Facebook girls who take 'sexy pics' of themselves, bending their backs and lollipops in their mouths.

I don't think she does the same face all the time but indeed, I don't think that any of her photoshoots truly stand out. Yet I'm not complaining, I think she's just so breathtakingly beautiful. I could stare at her Chanel make-up video a whole day. I guess the same could be said about Valentina Z but Valya is just

What I've Learned from Celebrities Growing Up

- You can hide from the media if you really want to.

- Money can keep you out of jail even if you're obviously guilty. Of course, this is obvious, but it was one of the first lessons I learned from celebrities as a child anyway.

- Don't force your child to be a professional performer at the age of 5 no matter how talended they are.

- Even if they've lived a pampered life and even when they'll only be there for a couple of hourse, rich people can still produce equally pucked up mug shots.

- Say no to drugs.

- To most people, pretty and famous > really pretty in day to day life. I've never got that, but it seems to be the case.

- People take their celebrity encounters seriously. If many people 'meet' you for a second and you have a frown, you're a 'fake SOB or b****'. It can't possibly be that

you were having a bad day or going through something, but because you're a celebrity, that one half second that they encountered you defines who you are as a person.

- Money can really improve your looks. Just by virtue of a little makeup, a stylist, nice clothes and some straightened teeth, many celebrities who looked pucked up in their high school year book

look much better 20 years later.

- Good looks and money don't automatically equal a happy marriage or relationship.

- People will forgive what you say if they think its funny.

- The grass isn't always greener. Various celebs I wanted to be like as a child turned out to have lives I wouldn't have envied if I could have foreseen.

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Feel free to share what you've learned . *edit* This originally had pictures, but the links were broken although I assume there are more than enough examples of each to go around.

-It's true. And you can control the media if you have enough power. I mean, it is pretty incredible Angelina could keep her condition in secret for so long. Same for Sandra Bullock adopting a child when she was in the middle of Oscar campaign/divorce!

-"if her name was Laquisha Lohan, she would be in jail" (Chelsea Handler) so I think money can keep you out of jail as long as you're white.

-I agree about this meeting famous people thing. And some fans are annoying and think celebrities 'owe' them something. Then again, I get having a bad day but not treating people like **** why are some people (celebs or VIPs) so rude to people at cafes, restaurant etc.?

-well Joe, I didn't look my best in high school either so it has more to do with growing up itself, I think. Also, it's funny to see style evolution for celebs and non-celebs. Yesterday I looked through loobook pics of one of famous fashion bloggers and I can see a difference not only in photos quality, but also clothing. She used to look like 'small town chick' in average quality things and now she's definitely more 'cosmopolitan' looking

-I agree with the last 3 in 100%

what would I have added to the list:

-no matter how rich some people are, it's a given that about 80%, if not more, when attending events with full buffets will 'jump' to the food and eat as much as if they haven't eaten for 5 days and as if they were afraid they won't eat in the next 5 days. It's crazy and embarrasing. I'm not saying they shouldn't eat, duh, but it looks like some celebs come to such events only to get as full as possible

-it seems that for some people a despicable celeb will get a redeeming quality once she/he has a child. 'Why is she still acting? She's no a good actress" "Oh maybe, but look, she's got a baby, she's a good mum!"

I´m really glad Joe did not finally obey to your commands NOT to create any thread

Really nice to see you here, Lay I think you have MANY interesting things to say and while reading these 4 pages I know I´m right. I´m already looking forward to the conversations!

So, CONGRATZ

So I had Belvedere Vodka the other day! Think I liked it a little to much. Went down far to smoothly This really doesn't bode well for my bank balance haha

Why did you mention Belvedere to me? nah, I know why. Though 'stereotypically' I guess I'm not Polish cause I don't drink vodka... so I don't even know how it tastes like or rather what's the difference in taste between Belvedere and other vodkas. Chelsea Handler's a big fan of it (Belvedere), I think she was a spokesperson for the brand. And Jay-Z raps about it so I guess it must be good.

I thought Russians were legendary because of drinking vodka? Also our East-Slovakian people (near Ukraine) are masters at vodka. It is interesting to actually see the alcohol varying according to regions.

Joe, I love "I'm every woman". btw, do you have VH1 Classic channel? When I want to watch tv and there's nothing interesting on other channels, I choose VH1 Classic, there are so many good songs. Strange how some of them seem to be played more often than others. Lately I seem to catch Toto's "Africa" pretty often but I'm not complaining, I love this song.

FL loves Africa from Toto it´s a very beautiful song indeed.

And Monica is a stunner.