Joe > Average

^ That’s b/c you are a guy Guys rarely bring much stuff with them when they go out. Women on the other hand carry a shitload of stuff

Interesting findings (Y) Exercises like pilates & yoga contributes very much to their flat stomachs but I also think being cautious about what they eat is a factor. They probably try to avoid foods that causes bloating like dairy, fatty & salty foods, cruciferous vegetables, carbonated drinks, etc.

Yeah, I guess they do avoid that kindof stuff. Do they really avoid brassica vegetables though ? Some also jokingly say that models are on a cigarettes and crackers diet .
-

I think it is ok to have some belly. Sometimes when the belly is too flat it looks concaved--not very attractive.

Joe, What's a 'ID' torso?  Like the one the model Samantha and the blonde next to her has? 

 

My personal trainer, which I worked with for some time-  (and my experience with sports to boot..)had largely convinced me that six packs, extreme slimness and so forth are a combination of genetics and/or weight training over pure diet.  His view was that dietary content was a factor but ultimately marginal to age/genetics + actual dieting and exercise. 

 

My own personal experimentation with body shaping a few years gave me the same impression.  Essentially, a slim layer of fat over one's torso has everything to do with body fat %, and you reduce this with cardiovascular activity (swimming, distance running, sports, etc.).  Men are either genetically inclined or get six packs by performing exercises and sports that increase the size of the abdominal muscles so they emerge with more surface structure. People have different metabolisms and one's 'natural' body fat % will increase with age or decrease with weight loss up to a certain degree.  And of course, some people are genetically inclined to have thinner stomachs, fatter faces, fatter legs, thinner arms, etc. so weight loss and weight gain hits them differently.

 

Then there are nutritional advocates and bodybuilders that claim that low carb %, higher protein and fat % of calories eaten also helps.

 

Personally, I don't have naturally very low body fat % ( as in someone with ~4 %, 6 pack, etc.) so I need to work on it.  I'm technically underweight and I have a flat stomach but not incredibly cut like some people would be.

 

With most female models, I think they just simply starve themselves to a very low weight, and their stomachs disappear via starvation rather than real training.  So you have lots of very thin women with no definition on their stomachs (not overly low body fat %)  but combined with low muscle mass.  They're not real athletic women at all and may be just like my girlfriend, who was 5'7'' 107 lbs and maintained her slimness through both small food intake (regardless of content, she counted calories), genetics, and a few hours of jogging every week.  So they all drop their genetic body fat % to its low level mostly via food intake control. 

 

Then there are models Melissa T. that looks like she starves herself and overexercises.  I bet she eats only fruits, vegetables, and some protein.  Then she hits the gym with lots of cardio and swimming (she has swimmer's stomach).  Hilary Rhoda also appears to have done this, but in a different extent.  She had very defined abdominals (nearly a developing six pack bulging from her torso) in the last VS fashion show and had an obvious drop in body fat % (that hit her perfect face, unfortunately).

 

http://www.bellazon....mmerijn/page-24[/quote] 

I can't really guess what she's eating although its likely not a lot. She could be on the crackers and cigarettes diet too.

A 1D torso is a one dimensional torso. I meant to put up an 'averagism' definition key . By one dimensional I mean one layer of meat. I'll try to get some picture examples because its hard to explain. Its more so based on the layers of 'meat' from a side view. Candice S. for example has a 1D torso, Brooklyn Decker has a 2D and Lara Stone has a 3D torso.

Interresting insight on the dynamics of the stomach. It is true that there are a lot of models who simply just don't eat that much food and are consequently skinny opposed to dieting and exercise. It seems to me that Hilary Rhoda seems to workout her arms and Doutzen seems to workout arms and abs and some others isolate different areas. Even a lot of fit models seem to isolate particular areas rather than go for a total body workout but anything is better than nothing I guess. I think Naomi Campbell may be one of the few to go for a total body workout as she at some point had both toned legs and some tone in the upper body.

Genetics definitely play a large role in fitness potential. Some simply have to work harder or less than others based on their own genetic potential. The only times I had a 6 pack was when I was a 290lb vegetarian lineman (getting Vitamin B12 from bee products, yeast and supplements) and when I was 280lb on a 'gorilla diet' (about 2-4% animal products and the rest plant foods). Other than that, 4 pack was the best I could achieve as a weekend warrior, which makes me think that a 4 pack is probably my natural potential . Everyone is just different I guess. Even two people with the same genetic pool have different metabolisms, different genes expressed more or less in them not to mention work ethics and such. I would assume that the ever elusive 8 pack is definitely a matter of genetics to a large degree too.

Bicycle kick goals are usually pretty rare because raising your foot so high in the air is almost always considered dangerous play. You could only really do one legally if you remained completely unchallenged by defenders, which isn't something that you'd often see near the goalmouth, or if you were doing it in a way that didn't endanger your opponent, which is a little tricky given the nature of the maneuver. Consequently, though it's not uncommon to see them attempted, you'd rarely see one that results in a goal.

 

For the distance thing, probably not. There have been cases of goalkeepers scoring from long kick outs, but it's generally a freak occurence caused by odd bounces of the ball and windy conditions.

 

(Note the snazzy camouflage shirt )

 

 

 

The FIFA rankings are quite often a bit of a puzzle to us all. I believe they're meant to be averaged out over about a four-year stretch, with more importance placed on recent results. It was simplified a few years back too, as it was previously thought to be a bit flawed due to teams playing different numbers of matches each year, and the quality of opposition that they have to face, which can sometimes vary pretty wildly. Even now, it's not always a reliable yardstick of a team's quality (for instance, if common sense were to prevail, there's no way Colombia would be placed third in the world), and nowhere near as prestigious as world rankings are in, say, tennis.

Jajaja, goalies ftw ! I bet that ball is worth something . Yeah, I also almost choked when I saw Colombia's ranking . I guess its just not as easy as with individual sports. In my last recreational game, we held our opponents to a single digit again although my epic stop was followed by one going into the goal from between my legs . Unless I'm missing someone, it seems as though the whole idea of 'faking someone out' to the point of making them look stupid or even hurt themselves seems to be unique to football, American football and basketball. Well, hockey too probably.

^Ah, the life of a goalie. Well, don't forget you've always got the option of blaming your defenders.

Yeah, there's been an element of that in the game for a long time. I seem to remember reading about ten years ago that the Brazilian player Robinho once received a yellow card for performing too many step-overs, because the referee considered it a lack of respect to his opponents - but that's very much the exception.

I thought that most models were naturally thin?

Was I wrong, guys?

long time ,no speak Joe

just passing by to say quick

^Ah, the life of a goalie. Well, don't forget you've always got the option of blaming your defenders.

 

Yeah, there's been an element of that in the game for a long time. I seem to remember reading about ten years ago that the Brazilian player Robinho once received a yellow card for performing too many step-overs, because the referee considered it a lack of respect to his opponents - but that's very much the exception.

It depends on who it is. There are some people who can eat and eat but are thin due to being very active, genes, metabolism or whatever else. Some stay a certain size due to pressure from designers, agencies and such. It appears to me that the average model dress size in the 80s-90s was dress size 6 or more and there was a considerable drop in the late 90s or early 00s while the number of obese individuals as well as childhood obesity grew to an all time high interestingly enough. That said, models in the last couple of years seem like they are slowly gaining weight back although most Brazilian and Dutch models seem to have been their natural size anyway. Its worth mentioning that I like all sizes though , even thin, but just natural thin that is.

There are many reasons in the U.S. and the other countries that follow the same practices. For one, as a whole, we are consuming more overly processed, unnatural foods than ever that our bodies don't even recognize and that have no real nutritional value. Without enough living food, there aren't enough enzymes to digest all that stuff and without enough fiber, the wastes that the liver's bile tries to dispense of only get reabsorbed by the body. Pretty much anything the body can't dispense of has the potential to be stored as fat. In the case of a slim person that can't dispense said wastes, they are still toxic and at times even carcinogenic. We also consume more refined white sugar and high fructose corn syrup than ever by far. These all cause blood sugar spikes and because the liver can't use most of it, they are generally stored as fat. We consume more sodium chloride and or table salt than potassium which causes high blood pressure and water retention. On top of that, we consume less beneficial fats (mono-unsaturated and long chain Omega-3s) than ever too. Practices in commercial animal raising results in weight gain too. Commercially raised animals are pinned side by side in the dark and some never walk a whole foot their whole lives while being loaded with steroids and food they wouldn't naturally eat while getting no exercise. This increases their Omega-6 and saturated fat content whereas humans for the majority of their existence ate leaner, wild game meats that exercised and ate wild foods and were thus lower in saturated fat and higher in Omega-3 fats. Children also play more video games compared to playing outside. Of course, its worth mentioning that exercise can't take the place of the vitamins, minerals and enzymes of plant foods nor can it combat free radical damage and such the way plant foods can but neglecting it doesn't help the cause by any means. Some place the blame primarily on saturated fat and while saturated fat from animals should be taken with some moderation, its more so the toxins from the pesticides, hormones ect. that is the problem. For example, populations that eat way more saturated fat than us who consume no artificial additives don't have any of the conditions we associate with saturated fat. Toxins are fat-soluble though (stored in fat) so they store themselves in the saturated fat. There are African tribes that eat far and away more animal saturated fat than obese Americans but no additives and have no high cholesterol, no high blood pressure ect. On top of that, the animals eat their natural diet and exercise so they have a greater Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio, which counteracts their saturated fat content by comparison. Most also have meat as their number one food group like carnivores whereas humans are omnivores, not carnivores and not like bears. Our digestive system is actually more similar to herbivores. We have 20 molars, blunt fingernails and sweat from our pores rather than tongues. Humans are adaptable though, as we see with eskimos, but then again, that is natural meat and fish opposed to synthetic commercially raised. On the positive side, there seems to be a movement of individuals trying to move away from this by exercising or at least doing some type of recreational labor as well as eating more whole foods. Its difficult for said movement to get much press because of the billions of dollars spent on fast and synthetic food advertisements though, but a movement nonetheless.

I think Izabel Goulart (who is Brazilian interestingly enough) is a great example of a naturally skinny model. There are models that starve themselves to be her size but for her it is natural and she has a very distinct layer of meat covering her ribs and is very fit. Gisele who is also fit, is probably above average size for a runway model, but what the average person would probably call slim, but is definitely her natural size because she eats a lot of food .
 

On a different note, Up was a good movie. It actually took awhile to grown on me because I didn't quite get the hype the first time and also resented the new best animated movie category at the time, but now I love it. That reminds me too that I was going to post my top 50 show theme songs, but am not sure whether to mix cartoon with regular. Well, a song is a song I guess .
 

Oh Joe...what have you been doing in the food department as of late?

Lately I've been doing a lot of experimenting. There's such a wide world of foods and so many ways to combine them. In the world of desserts, since my cousin was teased at a school party for not being able to eat the desserts, being allergic to lactose, soy and nuts I've been working on alternatives. Quite naturally, soy and nuts are generally the go to ingredients for many in such cases, but they are pretty common allergens too I guess. As a result, I've been working on dairy, soy and nut free desserts. I made some rice dream ice cream with natural sweeteners like stevia, raw honey, natural maple that was well received but I'm always looking to improve. I of course eat free range cow yogurt with living cultures myself despite being intolerant but the bacterium digest the lactose for me since I'm not allergic to it. There are so many fun ways to make things like ice cream, jellies ect. though. I've been doing a lot of growing too. I'm ashamed to say that I've had to take measures to keep my furry little friends away from my fruit though . That's not to say I've harmed any of them, but I had to put habaneros, cayenne ect. out to chase them away and nets to keep the birds off of some. My scarecrow just got laughed at. Ironically, I wish my cats would stop eating the birds and squirrels both .
 

Thank you for your insight Joe

For me, the principle is easy - people eat way too much and move less.I like moderation in everything, especially in food and eating. I dislike eating in most restaurants because of the impossibly huge portions they give you, it makes me sick. Example - from time to time, with FL we like to visit an Asian restaurant near our home. We have a soup (a perfectly decent amount) and then fl orders himself a fried rice with vegetables (which is listed as a supplement food, not a normal meal) and I order myself spring rolls (which is listed as appetizer) and normal rice. We always leave totally full and we did not even get to the main meal! I thought it was impossible to eat a soup, appetizer and then a main meal and dessert, but I´ve seen people do that. Hell.

Recently I mostly eat only soup or order myself a kids portion. When I look around how MUCH people eat, it´s concerning me. The same goes for buying and wasting food - I´m furious over this issue. I only buy what I can utilize, never anything more. But you can regularly see people buying LOADS of food they are not even able of eating, so they throw out half of it at the end of the month. It´s insane.

Izabel is really incredibly fit and toned. Gisele is always in perfect shape - do you think she is larger than average runway model? I think she is somehow larger than she used to be in her runway days (she gained more muscles) but when I see her in candids, she´s still incredibly thin. But I love the healthy look she maintains.

Up was so touching I did not get to it until recently (it wasn´t so popular here in Slovakia) but hell, what have I missed!!

Lately I've been doing a lot of experimenting. There's such a wide world of foods and so many ways to combine them. In the world of desserts, since my cousin was teased at a school party for not being able to eat the desserts, being allergic to lactose, soy and nuts I've been working on alternatives. Quite naturally, soy and nuts are generally the go to ingredients for many in such cases, but they are pretty common allergens too I guess. As a result, I've been working on dairy, soy and nut free desserts. I made some rice dream ice cream with natural sweeteners like stevia, raw honey, natural maple that was well received but I'm always looking to improve. I of course eat free range cow yogurt with living cultures myself despite being intolerant but the bacterium digest the lactose for me since I'm not allergic to it. There are so many fun ways to make things like ice cream, jellies ect. though. I've been doing a lot of growing too. I'm ashamed to say that I've had to take measures to keep my furry little friends away from my fruit though . That's not to say I've harmed any of them, but I had to put habaneros, cayenne ect. out to chase them away and nets to keep the birds off of some. My scarecrow just got laughed at. Ironically, I wish my cats would stop eating the birds and squirrels both .

 

Ah nice, some good experimentation going on indeed What a task though since sugar, milk, nuts are a no no on your side for whom you are trying to bake for. Luckily there are SO MANY recipes out there for those with allergies now that our society is ever more aware of food allergies then ever. Any particular dessert you loved out of all the ones you have been trying? LOL, and good luck about keeping animals and insects away, sadly, you will lose some to them the key is to keep it to a bare minimum though

Ah nice, some good experimentation going on indeed What a task though since sugar, milk, nuts are a no no on your side for whom you are trying to bake for. Luckily there are SO MANY recipes out there for those with allergies now that our society is ever more aware of food allergies then ever. Any particular dessert you loved out of all the ones you have been trying? LOL, and good luck about keeping animals and insects away, sadly, you will lose some to them the key is to keep it to a bare minimum though

Good point about the rising awareness. I know some old grains like spelt ect. are starting to get some love again due to the gluten allergies, but the list of allergies is a long one. Of those that I taste tested so to speak, I actually really liked the rice dream ice cream. After having some from different professionals, I could see how far I have to go but  was proud at how far I got at the same time. Making them the vegan brownies and chocolate chip cookies wasn't as difficult since I had already had practice with those. I probably like those the most. Though I assumed allergic to milk chocolate, they weren't allergic to pure chocolate although some are of course. With the animals and bugs, I've learned to try to go for 'control' rather than destroy. Even if I wasn't an animal lover, it does more harm to the crops and environment anyway. With insects, I just try companion planting, crop rotation and attracting predatory insects. With the animals, old CDs and aluminum pans on strings plus my pets seem to be able to scare them away on the ground. As to higher in the trees, well that's another story. That's pretty much win some and lose some. The peppers scare them away because they hate spicy foods, but you can only put so much. The net covering works too, but is kindof an eye sore . I have acorns out there too and let them have their way with that since I don't eat them and that helps to distract them from the fruit to some degree.

Thank you for your insight Joe

 

For me, the principle is easy - people eat way too much and move less.I like moderation in everything, especially in food and eating. I dislike eating in most restaurants because of the impossibly huge portions they give you, it makes me sick. Example - from time to time, with FL we like to visit an Asian restaurant near our home. We have a soup (a perfectly decent amount) and then fl orders himself a fried rice with vegetables (which is listed as a supplement food, not a normal meal) and I order myself spring rolls (which is listed as appetizer) and normal rice. We always leave totally full and we did not even get to the main meal! I thought it was impossible to eat a soup, appetizer and then a main meal and dessert, but I´ve seen people do that. Hell.

 

Recently I mostly eat only soup or order myself a kids portion. When I look around how MUCH people eat, it´s concerning me. The same goes for buying and wasting food - I´m furious over this issue. I only buy what I can utilize, never anything more. But you can regularly see people buying LOADS of food they are not even able of eating, so they throw out half of it at the end of the month. It´s insane.

 

Izabel is really incredibly fit and toned. Gisele is always in perfect shape - do you think she is larger than average runway model? I think she is somehow larger than she used to be in her runway days (she gained more muscles) but when I see her in candids, she´s still incredibly thin. But I love the healthy look she maintains.

 

Up was so touching I did not get to it until recently (it wasn´t so popular here in Slovakia) but hell, what have I missed!!

I didn't even think about the food wasting thing, but great point . Though I do eat a lot (though raw plant foods are my biggest group), I try to avoid waste. With things like meat, I try to take only what I'm going to use and put the rest in the freezer. That's great to hear that you guys can be satisfied even before the appetizer. Actually, since you mention it, the dessert in the same meal is somewhat of an overkill. Many probably don't even realize that they are full because of a lack of thorough chewing. I know that when I started chewing , I noticed that the same portions were more filling. Soups help to remedy that too since they go straight to the source with no undigested minerals lost to improper chewing.

I think when she works out more she seems at least bigger than the average high fashion model, but not bigger than the average commercial model. She's definitely one of the fittest though

as is even more evident by the 'post baby' body thing.

It was a really big deal here although that was a big year for animated movies since Princess and the Frog and The Fantastic Mr. Fox both came out at the same time if I'm not mistaken. I

probably would have enjoyed it more the first time had it not been for the hype, but when I saw it again after it died down, I came to love it. A touching one indeed and its hard to not

imagine myself flying in it .

At 20 pounds, the hoary marmot is likely the biggest squirrel in North America. Not likely to be seen flying though the trees and is more of a grazer anyway, but interesting nonetheless .

It´s a wonderful animal

I checked the marmots in Slovakia, we have marmota marmota (Alpine Marmot). Cutie as well
 

 

An adult alpine marmot may stand at 18 cm (7.1 in) at the shoulder. They reach between 42 and 54 cm (17 and 21 in) in length, not including the tail, which measures between 13 to 16 cm (5.1 to 6.3 in) on average. The body mass is significantly lighter in spring, when these animals weigh 2.8 to 3.3 kg (6.2 to 7.3 lb), than in fall, when they weigh 5.5 to 8 kg (12 to 18 lb).^[4] The alpine marmot is sometimes considered the largest squirrel species, although the closely related hoary marmot is sometimes heavier.^[5] Its coat is a mixture of blonde, reddish and dark gray fur. While most of the alpine marmot's fingers have claws, its thumbs have nails.

 

I didn't even think about the food wasting thing, but great point . Though I do eat a lot (though raw plant foods are my biggest group), I try to avoid waste. With things like meat, I try to take only what I'm going to use and put the rest in the freezer. That's great to hear that you guys can be satisfied even before the appetizer. Actually, since you mention it, the dessert in the same meal is somewhat of an overkill. Many probably don't even realize that they are full because of a lack of thorough chewing. I know that when I started chewing , I noticed that the same portions were more filling. Soups help to remedy that too since they go straight to the source with no undigested minerals lost to improper chewing.

I think when she works out more she seems at least bigger than the average high fashion model, but not bigger than the average commercial model. She's definitely one of the fittest though

as is even more evident by the 'post baby' body thing.

It was a really big deal here although that was a big year for animated movies since Princess and the Frog and The Fantastic Mr. Fox both came out at the same time if I'm not mistaken. I

probably would have enjoyed it more the first time had it not been for the hype, but when I saw it again after it died down, I came to love it. A touching one indeed and its hard to not

imagine myself flying in it .

Chewing is important because it also gives you time to digest the food properly and the stomach to realize it´s full and send the signal to brain. It´s good for people who are trying to lose weight and they decide to eat less than what they were used to before - they are always hungry. After each meal they should wait at least 20 minutes, when the stomach realizes it´s full and sends the signal. Eating slowly, properly chewing and waiting afterwards is healthy.

I find her post baby body amazing - especially her butt, lol. She´s also quite tall.

Oh, you´d love to fly in such house? I would love to have the dog!

 

^Ah, the life of a goalie. Well, don't forget you've always got the option of blaming your defenders.

 

Yeah, there's been an element of that in the game for a long time. I seem to remember reading about ten years ago that the Brazilian player Robinho once received a yellow card for performing too many step-overs, because the referee considered it a lack of respect to his opponents - but that's very much the exception.

 

I was really looking forward to the U.S. vs. Mexico since it came on network television, but I was really disappointed for some reason . I don't know, it seemed somehow more like Mexico lost than the U.S. won and just seemed kindof subpar compared to the other games I've seen in general.

I didn't see that particular game but quite honestly, I often feel that way while watching England, even though recent results haven't been too bad. International games can be such tense, low-key affairs, especially when a place at the World Cup is at stake. You'll often find that teams play to not lose, rather than to win. It's an effective and legit way to play, but it's certainly not fun to watch.

Good point about the rising awareness. I know some old grains like spelt ect. are starting to get some love again due to the gluten allergies, but the list of allergies is a long one. Of those that I taste tested so to speak, I actually really liked the rice dream ice cream. After having some from different professionals, I could see how far I have to go but  was proud at how far I got at the same time. Making them the vegan brownies and chocolate chip cookies wasn't as difficult since I had already had practice with those. I probably like those the most. Though I assumed allergic to milk chocolate, they weren't allergic to pure chocolate although some are of course. With the animals and bugs, I've learned to try to go for 'control' rather than destroy. Even if I wasn't an animal lover, it does more harm to the crops and environment anyway. With insects, I just try companion planting, crop rotation and attracting predatory insects. With the animals, old CDs and aluminum pans on strings plus my pets seem to be able to scare them away on the ground. As to higher in the trees, well that's another story. That's pretty much win some and lose some. The peppers scare them away because they hate spicy foods, but you can only put so much. The net covering works too, but is kindof an eye sore . I have acorns out there too and let them have their way with that since I don't eat them and that helps to distract them from the fruit to some degree.

Hmm interesting ice cream make-up there sir, I shall keep my eye open for such a style since it's staring to make me drool a bit here already The baking though is a pain in the butt with substitutions so I give you props for getting that down, especially with the cookies I must say those are not the most conventional methods I hear about to keep pests away from devouring your crops but I guess whatever works to keep chemical use out eh?

It´s a wonderful animal

 

I checked the marmots in Slovakia, we have marmota marmota (Alpine Marmot). Cutie as well

 

Quote

 

An adult alpine marmot may stand at 18 cm (7.1 in) at the shoulder. They reach between 42 and 54 cm (17 and 21 in) in length, not including the tail, which measures between 13 to 16 cm (5.1 to 6.3 in) on average. The body mass is significantly lighter in spring, when these animals weigh 2.8 to 3.3 kg (6.2 to 7.3 lb), than in fall, when they weigh 5.5 to 8 kg (12 to 18 lb).[4] The alpine marmot is sometimes considered the largest squirrel species, although the closely related hoary marmot is sometimes heavier.[5] Its coat is a mixture of blonde, reddish and dark gray fur. While most of the alpine marmot's fingers have claws, its thumbs have nails.

Nice one ! And great pics . I figured they would like it out there since they love the cold, mountainous areas, but didn't know there was something so simular there. I really don't know too much about European animals compared to African and North American, so its always good to learn more . There seems to be a wide range everywhere. Of course, it goes without saying that they aren't the fastest and thus are extremely appetizing to lynxes, bears, birds of prey and wolves. They do have their amazing digging skills to bail them out though, as well as their tolerance for great altitudes. Even aside from that, they don't go down without a fight as they are capable of delivering devastating bites to predators when all else fails. Is the Eurasian lynx in strong numbers over there? In the marmot's area over here, they prey on hares mostly, but love trying to get a paw on one of these little guys though.

Chewing is important because it also gives you time to digest the food properly and the stomach to realize it´s full and send the signal to brain. It´s good for people who are trying to lose weight and they decide to eat less than what they were used to before - they are always hungry. After each meal they should wait at least 20 minutes, when the stomach realizes it´s full and sends the signal. Eating slowly, properly chewing and waiting afterwards is healthy.

 

I find her post baby body amazing - especially her butt, lol. She´s also quite tall.

 

Oh, you´d love to fly in such house? I would love to have the dog!

Ah, yes the dog. Wouldn't we all love to know what they're saying ? Great points about chewing and I will have to try this waiting between thing. That was definitely a big weakness of mine. It also helped me to find out that food is more enjoyable when I chew it anyway . She's definitely a 'tall glass of water' as the southern expression goes and surely one of the champions of the 'post baby' body and seems to be as good as ever . There are so many fad exercise programs out there, but she should probably put hers on the market .