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Look out Sharktupus . I wonder if the same people made it .

Nice list 100% agree about Edita, she seems to enjoy being photographed and filmed, which is evident in about every Fashion TV video showing her at shows' backstages.

It was actually Berno (who had a strange talent for making me understand model's appeals) who won me over to her initially with a gif of her blowing her hair backstage and Jennks finished the job. She definitely seems to love the camera and it of course loves her back. That question about Old Hollywood really got me to thinking and even though I don't get around to watching non theatre movies much, I've been taping a couple movies here and there and got some from the library. One I saw was the Virginia Wolf movie and Ms. Taylor did an amazing job in that. I think its the first time I've seen her act. I also noticed that with men in Old Hollywood, it seems like being cool or being a 'man's man' seems to be more important whereas there are a lot of current actors that don't necessarily have appeal to the average man but appeal primarily to women. This is only a casual observation as, like I said, I'm still new to the scene, so it'll be interesting to see what else I learn .

Joe, do you have a top 10 or 20 favorite models list or are your interests tending towards being very broad and emcompassing?

This is pretty much my top 17 (of all time) right now:

1. Edita Vilkeviciute

Nimue Smit

Freja Beha Erichsen

Julia Stegner

Anne Vyalitsyna

Hilary Rhoda

Kendra Spears

Karlie Kloss

Flavia de Oliveira

Maryna Linchuk

AnaBeatriz Barros

Frida Gustavsson

Marloes Horst

Ginta Lapina

Valerie van der graff

Dionni Tabbers

17. Monika Jagaciak

Interresting group and I didn't know you liked some of those. Many seem to be high fashion models but none are the kind that they say only a designer or hardcore high fashion fan could love . Are the unnumbered ones in order or are you unsure about the specific ranking of the top few? I generally break it down into specific groups (by country or individual qualities) seeing as how I've never been sure what an overall top 10 actually entailed. At first I assumed that it was based on looks, but then some said that they factored in intangibles which made it more broad. Then even with looks only, I'm not fully sure how a good face with a decent body is compared to a decent face with a very good body to a very good face with an average body. For example, there's no model I like More than Gemma. She has one of my favorite faces ever and is one of my favorite editorial and runway models both, but I wouldn't say I find her to be one of the sexiest models by any means. That's not to say if I were just doing 'favorites' it would matter, but since the top babe idea is something I learned from BZ, I might as well go by the rules. On the other hand, there are some that I'm more attracted to who I don't follow because I find their work to be uninteresting. As a result, I developed separate lists for faces, bodies, modeling skill, sexiness, quality of work and intangibles. Having said, all of that, if one were to give me the specific criteria (looks only, everything together ect.), I could still make a list even if its broad though. *edit* LOL, you said 'favorite' . I don't know why I automatically processed that as being 'top babes' . I do have a group of favorites, but I'll have to reupload the pics since the bandwidth exceeded again.

Yeah. My list is remarkably typical- I like many of the most successful ones...lol. They are the ones with the portfolio where many other beautiful women never get a chance. I have a few new models on my top 70-ish (like Anouck, Backstrom, etc.) list but their chances of making it big are low.

The unnumbered ones are due to my laziness in numbering...

As for top 10, I see it due to personal preferences of the moment. My favorite models constantly shift around and change based on updates in their portfolio and so forth. My personal tastes also shift and change with them as well.

Interresting group and I didn't know you liked some of those. Many seem to be high fashion models but none are the kind that they say only a designer or hardcore high fashion fan could love . Are the unnumbered ones in order or are you unsure about the specific ranking of the top few? I generally break it down into specific groups (by country or individual qualities) seeing as how I've never been sure what an overall top 10 actually entailed. At first I assumed that it was based on looks, but then some said that they factored in intangibles which made it more broad. Then even with looks only, I'm not fully sure how a good face with a decent body is compared to a decent face with a very good body to a very good face with an average body. For example, there's no model I like More than Gemma. She has one of my favorite faces ever and is one of my favorite editorial and runway models both, but I wouldn't say I find her to be one of the sexiest models by any means. That's not to say if I were just doing 'favorites' it would matter, but since the top babe idea is something I learned from BZ, I might as well go by the rules. On the other hand, there are some that I'm more attracted to who I don't follow because I find their work to be uninteresting. As a result, I developed separate lists for faces, bodies, modeling skill, sexiness, quality of work and intangibles. Having said, all of that, if one were to give me the specific criteria (looks only, everything together ect.), I could still make a list even if its broad though. *edit* LOL, you said 'favorite' . I don't know why I automatically processed that as being 'top babes' . I do have a group of favorites, but I'll have to reupload the pics since the bandwidth exceeded again.

I did know that about the near extra, but maybe because I'm in too deep . The sexiness verses beauty and exhibited personality is a very interesting one. It seems that some models who have beauty but don't show much sensuality can sometimes be interpreted as being bland and when they suddenly show sensuality out of the blue, they're then interpreted by some as awakening to personality. I've never really been sure whether it was because of sensuality itself as much as the fact that they went from having no fire at all to a certain kindof fire and it just so happened to be sexiness. There are some who simply have no modeling skills so when they go from no expression to a sensual expression, its by nature an upgrade I guess, but anything is an upgrade from a blank stare . Your favorites change somewhat, but you aren't nearly as fickle as some who go from not liking or even disliking someone to loving them solely based on a VS or SI appearance . I think the personality one can exhibit definitely bridges the gap because when looking at both a pretty face with no personality (Emma Stone) and sensuality alone (Ali Larter), I have the same complete lack of interest in both.
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In terms of how I quantify sexiness in a fashion model, obviously Gemma isn't known for her sexiness (although she was capable of showing some on the runway) nor are some of my other favorites such as Sasha P. (who I'm not attracted to at all) who isn't nearly as attractive as say Genevieve Morton who's thread I've never even been to. The divisions can be pretty arbitrary although it never occurred to me to make them until I learned of the top 10 'babe' concept. I did have divisions of editorial vs. runway favorites previously as Sasha is actually one of the worst ever on the runway and is one of the best in editorials whereas Inguna is great on the runway and shows no range of expression in editorials. As to the sexiness thing though, seeing as how 'babe' isn't a term I hear in day to day life (or maybe most people haven't since the 80s?!) I always assumed that babe was someone who looked good and was sensual or some combination of that.

Wait. Am I reading this well? Emma Stone is a pretty face with no personality? If so, I have the opposite opinion I think she seems like a really funny, laid-back girl but her face can look really awkward at times. To be honest, I found it annoying in "Crazy stupid love". The faces she was making... but the film itself was pretty nice.

She always seems to be smiling and friendly when I see her which makes her by default have more charisma than say Kristen Stewart . I haven't seen enough of her off screen to really know much about her to be fair and she also seems to be a chick flick actress and that may be my least favorite genre. A part of that is due to the fact that I find those celeb gossip type shows largely unbearable. Of course, its worth mentioning that some do have a charisma that jumps out at me with the same limited exposure or less that I've had to her. You have made me somewhat more curious though. Well, everyone can make funny faces I guess but I am curious to see what you're referring to anyway. I give her the benefit of the doubt for being pretty since she has nice eye shape and cheekbones although her looks technically do nothing for me to be honest .

Squirrel man long time no talk here, I wonder, what insane culinary dishes have you concocted as of late?

Greetings ILuv, I still can't believe I thought you were a different person for awhile . At least I'm not used to established members changing their names. Well, as much as it may betray my animal rights sentiment (as if being a meat eater in general wasn't enough) I've found new and wondrous ways to make wild boar . It started after being nearly killed by one. It turns out however that they have a much healthier diet than regular pigs due to exercise and a diet rich in wild plants and even fish (giving them a nice Omega-3 content). Of course, those very factors also take away from their fat content, so I've had to add fat from other things. That said, gamey but delicious anyway . I've added mushrooms to the list of things I have growing, but they're mostly for decoration because there's some poisonous ones mixed in. I've also come up with countless new burgers (grass fed beef only) with countless weird toppings while experimenting with gluten free whole grains for the allergic individuals.

I hope you don't live in L.A. or at least you don't go camping there!!!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/26/19696404-la-area-campgrounds-shut-down-after-squirrel-tests-positive-for-plague?lite

I don't live out there and actually never thought of it as a camping spot either although I am a big fan of camping. At least it seems that no one was hurt yet and thank goodness we don't have another Black Death on our hands obviously but the fact that one could get it from the fleas carry it really sucks though .

Greetings ILuv, I still can't believe I thought you were a different person for awhile . At least I'm not used to established members changing their names. Well, as much as it may betray my animal rights sentiment (as if being a meat eater in general wasn't enough) I've found new and wondrous ways to make wild boar . It started after being nearly killed by one. It turns out however that they have a much healthier diet than regular pigs due to exercise and a diet rich in wild plants and even fish (giving them a nice Omega-3 content). Of course, those very factors also take away from their fat content, so I've had to add fat from other things. That said, gamey but delicious anyway . I've added mushrooms to the list of things I have growing, but they're mostly for decoration because there's some poisonous ones mixed in. I've also come up with countless new burgers (grass fed beef only) with countless weird toppings while experimenting with gluten free whole grains for the allergic individuals.

Ha, no worries sir I got a few WTF's from others in regards to the name change I had over a year ago Good lord! The close encounter with the wild boar isn't surprising, those hairy hoofed pigs have one aggressive complex when cornered or spooked. Thankfully all went well on that surprising encounter. Ah nice, wild pigs are indeed a healthier serving in fat, cholesterol then anything farmed raised, same goes with cows & chickens. The dish you prepared sounds absolutely exquisite! With wild boars/pigs rampant in many states in the USA there are actually quite a few recipes out there on how to prepare sausages with the animal. Always wanted to try one but haven't had the opportunity yet. A fungus fan too I see The fact mushrooms take on the flavor of anything you put into them make them a great substitute for meat. Thankfully most species wont kill you in one bite one just needs to be VERY careful on how to go about picking wild mushrooms. There are a few books out there if there are ever any concerns on a wild pick for them, comes in handy for sure And of course, keep me updated on the burger madness. I have a soft spot for that all American dish

I thought you were someone else again just now because I could have sworn someone else had this avatar . I can see the logic behind the name thing though since at the time she didn't have as many fans as she does now whereas Adriana's notoriety was pretty much already set in stone. I'll answer that more in depth in your thread to add to the burger count over there although that reminds me that the food thread suddenly disappeared .
 

I've noticed that quite a few members have said that they don't understand the rules and such of NFL football, so I figured I'd respond to that .
 

Introduction

The NFL is an interesting game. There are a lot of pieces and there is a lot of diversity as well. There are wide receivers, running backs, return me and defensive backs who are 225-240lbs with Olympic level speed. On the opposite end, you have 300+ pound guys that can slug it out in 100+ degree weather for extremely long durations. Despite this, some of the most gifted athletes of all are warming the bench even as third strings as smart play, skill and iron will are key to becoming an elite player. As much attention as quarterbacks and receivers may get, American football requires so many parts (over 50 per roster) that no amount of talent from just a few is enough to become a playoff caliber team. In light of that, we will begin with some of the parts. Its worth mentioning that due to the vast number of players, rules and rule changes, many hardcore fans are confused on some of them. That said, though I don't advocate a best sport, it is on that I definitely enjoy for playing and watching.
 

General Terminology

Pocket - up to two yards to the outside of your blockers on the right and left. Going backwards, this also includes as far back as your own endzone.
Your own Endzone - the one on the opposite side of the one you're trying to get to. Its called 'yours' because you're tying to protect it.
Safety - when you are either tackled behind your own endzone line or forced out of bounds behind said line. This results in two points for the other
team as well as them gaining possession.
Sack - tackling the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage. Tackling him in front of it is a regular tackle.
Line of Scrimmage - the imaginary line that exists where the referee puts the ball after the previous play.
Coverage - the act of following a receiver to stop him from catching a pass. Until he catches the ball, you are not allowed to physically disrupt his progress after he goes forward for more than five yards.

Part 1: The Lines

The Offensive Line

We will begin with the lines. American football has two primary lines, offensive and defensive. Lineman also play a role on special teams, but one thing at time. The offensive line consists of five members. There are two tackles, one on the left and one on the right and two guards on the right and left. The tackles are on the outside and the center is in the middle between the two guards.

Offensive Line in Order - Left Tackle, Left Guard, Center, Right Guard, Right Tackle





Left Tackle - due to the fact that most quarterbacks are right handed and thus backup with more of a left blind side, the left tackle is generally the best and most versatile blocker on the offensive line. He has to have the strength to oppose huge guys coming up the middle on passing plays, push them on running plays as well as have enough speed to react to threats coming from the outside as well. Professional level tackles generally range from 6'4-6'9 and 290-well over 300lbs.

Right Tackle - see left tackle minus the blind side thing, though it is worth mentioning that he would then be the more valuable of the two in the case of a star left handed quarterback. It is also worth noting that changing sides isn't as easy as one may think and most players take a long time to adjust to changing from one side to the other.

Guard (right and left) - there are two guards on both sides of the center. These are generally the beefiest of the group in. They don't have to be as quick as the tackles seeing as how they are on the inside, but they have more responsibility for the threats that come up the middle. Professional level guards aren't generally as tall as tackles, but are generally heavier.

Center - the center is as the title suggests, in the center. He is between the left and right guards. The center is responsible for snapping the ball although its a much more difficult job than it sounds. He has to not only know the playbook extremely well (and college and NFL level playbooks are quite complicated), but he has to be on one accord with the quarterback who is generally trying to confuse the defense with his signal calling. On top of all of this, he needs to be strong enough to withstand the 300 pound guys ramming into him, but quick enough to react instantly after snapping the ball. Against a 3-4 defense (which we'll discuss later) the biggest person on the defense is eye to eye with him, waiting to knock him over as soon as he snaps, so he must have excellent reflexes. Professional centers, like guards, aren't generally as tall as tackles, but are also much more athletic than guards.

Passing Plays: On passing plays, the offensive line backs up, preparing for the gorge of the defense. It is never known who all will attempt to attack the quarterback or who all will go back into coverage, so they must be ready for anything.

Running Plays: On running plays, the offensive line will instead proactively push the defense forward or try to open a hole for the running back. How far or how long they do this is a case by case basis.

Swing Out Plays: On swing out plays, they will pull (run laterally) to create a shield for the runner as they receive a short pass.

Some Penalties Against Lineman - I say some because some are kindof long, confusing sounding and don't occur as often, so can wait.

False Start (5 yard penalty) - moving in a significant way after being set in your position and before the ball is snapped.
Holding (10 yard penalty) - grabbing or pulling a defensive player. This is truly an example of the offensive line's skill level. To block guys that big under such a stipulation takes not only strength but great skill and coordination. This is one of the many things that sets a random huge guy who gets told 'you should play football' apart from lineman.
Illegal Hands to the Face (10 yard penalty) - using your hands to hit or pull a defender's helmet.




A long with his other responsibilities, a center has to be ready to instantly react to the attacks coming his way.

They all want to stop this from happening.

Offensive lineman are generally quite flexible as well.




Guards aren't as tall as tackles or generally as athletic as tackles or centers, but generally have great stamina for their size.

At 6'6, over 300lbs with the speed of a tight end (generally 250-270lbs) or soccer player, this guy is a freak of nature but being lacking in many of the necessary skills, he rides the bench.

Tackles have to be ready to assist with pressure up the middle, but can't take their eyes away from outside threats.

A left tackle training for an abrupt switch to right tackle. This is a rare case where the adjustment went smoothly in a short time.

Summary

The offensive line tends to get overlooked by some for many reasons. For one, there haven't traditionally been stats for lineman. In recent years, there have been attempts to give credit for knockdowns and there has always been acknowledgement of how few or many sacks they allow. The sack thing may not always tell the whole story as a quarterback's bad decision making, waiting to long to throw as well as not knowing whether he will throw or run can all add to a quarterback's sack total. More so than this, there is the natural tendency to focus on more graceful, flashy positions. Despite all of this, the offensive line is extremely important to the success of a team. Not only are they extremely important, but contrary to popular belief, the requirements of the job as well as the rules make brute strength alone not enough. One needs a great deal of endurance as well as skill to be one of the elite. The more one understands what all goes into it, the easier it is to appreciate what they do.

Joe, excellent article 

A commercial from the U.K.

Joe, excellent article 

A commercial from the U.K.

LOL ! Never seen this, but then I don't live over there, obviously and often speed through commercials over here . I'm starting to notice that there seems to be a lot of squirrels and rodent types in European commercials though.

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Also (aside from the NFL thing) currently working on a separate series 'The Evolution of the Fashion Model Torso' .

"Woa, women back then were...different..." - Jennka

Will need help with that one and I actually have to put some thought into that (as the other was just off the cuff). Some things instantly stand out, but I want to be thorough.