General Discussion

^ No need to apologize. Missed you. Welcome back

Jennka wants to start a thread frenchkiki. I don't really know her. I know she is pretty popular and has many pals on the staff

I know what you mean, PC, Kiki (Christine) is very special, for she does say what's on her mind, not caring that some people might feel offended. She wears her heart on the sleeve - and she's a good natured person. Though I do came across quarrels including her,... but I never had the feeling she was openly insulting anyone, she just says her opinion. Ja, she maybe impolite from time to time, but that's also because she's French and English isn't her mother tongue and she's quickly defending her friends (or favorite models). But she's very down to earth, she would never participate in any of the Kindergarten issues, like who downrated whom and stuff. And a very big plus in my opinion: you can tell her to calm down without creating a riot. She doesn't need to discuss everything, if you say "your opinion - my opinion - let's close the case" it's okay for her.

Of course I'm all for a thread for her. Nevertheless I understand if you are undecided about it. If I hand't been hanging out with her in Laetitia Casta's thread forever I propably wouldn't be sure about it myself.

^ I don't know what to think of her. I agree she does come off a bit offensive at times, but she is a quite entertaining and humorous

As right now I don't know which way to vote. Once thing I do know is she needs to edit her signature b/c it is too long I will PM her about that

Haha, I already PMed her about it, but only giving a mild "warning" it being so cute she needs to change it in time

Well, I leave it for you and the others to decide, feeling a tiny bit biased in this case ... ... but she's a long time and part taking member and as far as I know never has been into real fights or doing any rule breaking

(besides the occational nudity slips

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... so I see no reason she shouldn't get her own thread, she sure has got a lot to say and maybe it'll prevent some of the off-topic talk in the model threads

I just came across an issue I want to inform you about:

Modelknowledge started a new thread which is about models and their names and aliases on their agency boards and will help to ID girls that changed agencies and stuff. I think this is a great idea and it might be extremely helpful at one point.

Since it is all about information and providing facts, she asks the members to not comment, only if they want to take part and share information and facts on the models or their agenencies. Though I would never tolerate members trying to prevent other members from voicing their opinion in this special case I decided she is right, any private talk would be very annoying and make it a lot more wearisome to find the information your searching for.

So modelknowledge reported a comment of SweetLu. I went there, checked the thread and decided to edit SweetLu's and Frenchkiki's comments according to the 'no-private-talk-rule'. I hope you understand this is a real exception and just because in this thread, which is based on the professional side of things, there's no need for off-topic.

She edited her signature to 3 lines (Y) I told her, her signature might offend members but we will let it slide for now Plus it is pretty funny

The way you feel about kiki is similar to how I feel about VH. He is constantly baiting & bashing and being a major asshole...but I adore him He is someone I am friends with offline. Believe it or not, he is a very reasonable person who does respect rules & boundaries

Thanks for letting us know about modelknowledge's thread situation

Thanks for letting us know about modelknowledge's thread situation

I thought it would be good to give info and explain why I did it before the talk starts, you know, about how Carmelita is SO on modelknowledge's site and does allow people to have their own rules, very bad moderator that Carmelita for sure, mighty unfair and mean and everything, you better beware of her

While we're on that topic, I might as well throw this out there . These are my preemptive votes against random members who's names have been thrown around here and there as potential staff candidates. Also, I'd vote that we probably clear some spots in general before hiring again in any case to avoid overcrowding the roster. I won't fire anyone I didn't hire, but I'll vote for persuazn to have an honorary permanent spot because of her vast contributions and leave the rest to those that hired them. As to the prospects, two of them are among my favorite members just to show that its nothing personal.

modelknowledge - though she is one of the most helpful members and reports a lot, she can be very superior minded and allow that to lead her to be rude to members. As a result of that, she would likely do more harm than good.

donbot - he's one of my favorite members and his name has been thrown up before, but if we have to have a minimum cut off, I'd say let it be at members that have never reported anything and he's never reported anything in any shape or form to my knowledge. Since he's a good guy, I think he'd be the type to accept to avoid being rude but would probably leave the forum out of shame if he say himself as being around and not doing the job so he might as well just continue contributing the way he already does.

Matute - reported a lot before the report runction went down, but came off kindof crazily in some of his statements in said reports and can be rude to some members at times which makes me think he'd do more good simply reporting than having power of his own.

LMS - though she has some supporters and I worked hard to prove her and Lu aren't the same (which was unappreciated I later found), there are a lot of members she rubs the wrong way. For example, Limerlight asked me if the ignore function could be updated to not see the person's name as the last poster or any record of their existence at all in reference to her and Lu. That on top of the continued complicated nature of the accounts and her friends with accounts would make it more trouble than its worth.

DanniCullen - though she's one of my favorite members, judgeing by some of the posts she wants deleted, I'd imagine if she had the power to do it herself, the result would be somewhere between a totalitarianistic rule and an outbreak of member protests . For example, she thinks gifs shouldn't be allowed in threads and is even at times against people responding to say thanks . Of course, I think she's reasonable overall, but the outcry to her decisions would still likely outweigh anything else.

I agree with you on modelknowledge, LMS and Danni. And Danni is the most decent of those three. It's not that I think they would really misuse their powers, but I feel they wouldn't consider every point of view before judging.

I got no opinion on Donbot and Matute, for I didn't had much personal contact yet.

And wow, LMS must have really been annoying with Limerlight, who playing the nice guy and is generally friends with everybody ...

I have to disagree with your appraisal of Donbot Joe, I think he would make a good staff member, but I will not fight you guys over that if you all agree that he isn't mod material.

To bring another, less pressing matter to your attention, a member asked about the possiblity of turning Candice's thread into her own subforum.

I informed her that the informal ruling in terms of sub-forums has been that they are a thing of the past and we are not "upgrading" any more new models to subforum status.

However, I thought it might be worth discussing on here. Is that still the way we feel? And if so, might it be time we re-evaluate the existing subforums?

Take Petra's, her's dates back to a time when she was one of the most popular models on this forum, but with her career being slowly phased out, so has the traffic to that sub-forum. Instead of increasing the number of model sub-forums, perhaps we should consider downsizing them by merging and moving some of those threads into the regular model section? Just a thought...

Regarding The Staff Issue:

- I agree w/ Carmelita about Modelknowledge, LMS and Danni.

- I agree w/ Joe about Maute

I don't really know dobot but of all the nominees I think he is the best choice.

BTW, ILUVAdrianaLima also hinted to wanting to be on the staff. I am not so sure abt him.

Regarding the Subforum Topic:

I don't think we should start any subforums. That would cause a lot of complaints & drama. Instead we could do something similar to what tFS does. For threads that has over 500 pages we can start a new thread. We can archive the old threads somewhere.

Of the above list of potential candidates, I think donbot is by far and away the most level-headed. I haven't had problems with any of the others directly, but I've seen them all demonstrate immature streaks in the past.

At the risk of throwing a further spanner in the works - how about Jennka?

With regard to subforums - for what it's worth, I'd be in favour of downsizing Petra's. Her career seems to be winding down somewhat so I can't imagine her topic getting busier anytime soon. For any new ones, I guess the main obstacle would be sorting all the old posts (in Laetitia Casta's case - 19,183 of 'em) into appropriate subsections, which sounds terrifyingly time consuming. I'm not sure if there are enough hours in the day.

At the risk of throwing a further spanner in the works - how about Jennka?

I think Jennka's as good of a citizen as any member of staff member we have, but she posts on a specific scheduile rather than coming on at random times so I doubt she'd even want to, but she is as good of a member as any.

I have to disagree with your appraisal of Donbot Joe, I think he would make a good staff member, but I will not fight you guys over that if you all agree that he isn't mod material.

I think you may have missed the point on that one since he was in the midst of others who would make bad mods. I didn't say he wasn't mod material. Its only that there's probably thirty or more members that I could make a case for equal to his, so there has to be some system to narrow them down. For example, Theron follows the rules on his same level, contributes just as much and also doesn't report, so their cases would be identical but we don't need both obviously. I could name more than twenty others with cases identical to theirs, but they could all be useful if asked. On the other hand, likia follows the rules as much as either, contributes more than both and reports regularly too. That combined with the fact that I don't necessarily think we need more right now, the standard should be higher than just following the rules to a minimum standard of following the rules and reporting sometimes too. He's a great member, but there are thirty or more others who follow the rules to his same level and probably a dozen that follow the rules on that level and report regularly on top of that and we don't even need to that entire dozen right now either necessarily.

BTW, ILUVAdrianaLima also hinted to wanting to be on the staff. I am not so sure abt him.

Yeah, he expressed as much to me too. He said that he wanted to be a mod solely to help out with the spam situation. He follows the rules and also reports regularly, but I've only come into regular contact with him recently though, but he'd be on my list of candidates if we were to hire again, though I don't necessarily think we need to hire again now.

Regarding the Subforum Topic:

I don't think we should start any subforums. That would cause a lot of complaints & drama. Instead we could do something similar to what tFS does. For threads that has over 500 pages we can start a new thread. We can archive the old threads somewhere.

I agree with that. If we make even two more, the fans of the third will then campain for theirs. I personally think if people would label their posts by the appropriate titles, the size of the thread wouldn't matter . Since that's not going to happen, the archiving thing is the best bet of course. Or the way tfs does, just close it and put the link to it in the first post of the new thread. Of course, who gets to start the new thread could be its own, drama so I guess the active member with the most contributions there gets to start it or something like that.

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Just to make some things clear so its not assumed that everyone I listed is in the same boat. Besides donbot, the others are the only ones I think would be disasters. Here's the thing...

My problem with the hiring thing is that in theory, any sensible member who follows the rules could be useful as a staff member. The problem is that if you ask them, they would more than likely feel that it was rude to say no and if they feel they aren't up to the task they're more likely to leave than say so and then we lose their contributions as a member and staff member both. Asking people who expressed no interrest was necessary in times of desperation, but now we have at least 5-6 here daily so we shouldn't have to resort to that. I also think (especially since there are so many now, though I would have said anyway) the standard has to be higher than just being a good member or following the rules because by that standard, we could appoint thirty new mods. My minimum standard is...

- someone who's expressed interrest on their own. Asking someone who didn't express interrest was necessary in our desperate times of course, but now with at least 5-6 staff members active daily, I don't think we need to.

- since there are many members who follow the fules (I can name tons who follow the rules just as much as those suggested simply on those grounds), the standard should be those who both follow and care enough about the site to report as well.

^ I concur with your overall points. At this moment I don't see the point of recruiting more staff members.

EDIT:

With the thread thing I was thinking when a thread reached 500 pages (or whatever criteria we decide on), one of us would close the old thread, archive it and start a new thread w/ a link to the last archived thread. To honor the "5 pages back" rule, we can also carry over the last 5 pages of the thread into the new thread.

About the staff issue:

As Joe said there's no real need right now to nominate someone, but it's good to list the candidates for we can keep an eye on those we don't know that much to make up our own opinion. And I'm all in for putting up some standards ...

- someone who's expressed interrest on their own. Asking someone who didn't express interrest was necessary in our desperate times of course, but now with at least 5-6 staff members active daily, I don't think we need to.

- since there are many members who follow the fules (I can name tons who follow the rules just as much as those suggested simply on those grounds), the standard should be those who both follow and care enough about the site to report as well.

There should be some kind of 'community sense' and initiative ...

ILUVAdrianaLima - don't know him well, but he seems pretty decent.

Jennka - I'm all in. She's a really nice girl and I think she would handle the job/ more responsibility well. I've already had some private contact and we chatted a bit about life in genereal. She's down to earth and not too full of herself in any way. Although, if we want to 'raise' the standard - she's not really one of the reporting members, so she would be on a level with donbot and Theron ...

liika - definitely a candidate IMO. Very helpful and active.

About the subforum-issue: I don't think we should raise the number of subs. If we start doing them again, there will be a lot of arguments, why Candice, why not MIranda, what about Casta etcpp. I know from the Casta thread that everybody was asking for a sub for her once - including me -, but we all kinda excepted there won't be any subs anymore and that's that. As for downgrading any of the existing I don't think it's a good idea. It's not that I'm keen on Petra having a sub, but at one point of her career the staff decided she deserved one/ it was neccessary she get one, so it would be down right rude to say she's not that active anymore, let's close it and just put a normal thread on her.

And pleeeeeease, the most annoying thing on tfs is that they start a new thread every some pages and then the posting of all the old stuff starts again, "Oh, I don't know if those catwalk pics from 2004 has been posted". It's okay like Nefertiti does it, for she only skips through literally every collection ever been published and only posts HQ stuff. Right now for example Vlada's and Mariacarla's threads on tfs are "spammed" with old catwalk pics and I'm sure that at least from 2005 on they had all been posted. But no one can navigate with numerous closed threads, you can't run a search, you can't just go back the pages to the beginning etcpp, so pleeease, let's not make a 500-pages-equals-a-closed-thread-rule ... Of course if the majority decides to do it because it seems reasonable, I won't make a scene, but I just don't feel it would be helpful ...

The reason why I am not sure about ILUVAdrianaLima is, I thought there was a speculation either he or one of his associates has multiple accounts?

Ask much as I love & adore Jennka, I feel she would let her relationships get in the way of making the right decisions and doing what is best for the forum.

liika - she hangs around the "Hot Guys" section often and that is definitely a plus b/c that is an area we lack someone to moderate. Also, she reports a lot of stuff.

I don't think we should get rid of Petra's subforum b/c she is an honorary member and huge supporter of BZ's mum, chilaX. As a way to pay homage we should let her subforum stay

I think tFS starts a new thread every 3-4 months, not based on pages. However I do understand what you mean, and I don't think it is necessary to break up the thread pages. I was just throwing out the "500 Page" thing as an option to discuss. To play devil's advocate, considering we do have a "5 pages back" suggestion, it is inevitable there would be reposts. We cannot expect members to navigate through a thread w/ 100's of pages. With that said, even if we do implement the "500 Page" thing, it technically wouldn't affect posting that much.

Guys, I hope it's okay if I voice a slightly different concern...

In addition to the topics in the site & forum area, we currently have at least three threads in General Talk which all appear to be solely devoted to moaning and groaning about the staff, with the same complaints repeated across each one by the usual suspects. Not only is it rude and incredibly annoying (one has to wonder if DanniCullen takes any enjoyment out of being here at all) but I fear it may also drown out those members with legitimate worries.

^ What do you suggest we should do?

They can moan and bitch all they want but if they are not part of the solution then they are part of the problem.

I don't care much about the ranting either, I'm afraid ... as long as they are not openly insulting everyone. It's kinda better to know what they are ranting about, than they're doing it privately via PMs and then come up out of the blue with something we didn't expected ...

PS Just went over there and commented. Let's see what they want