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I was going to post this earlier, but figured I'd save it for you. Of course, that somewhat breaks my spontanaety rule, but oh well .

Public Enemy and Anthrax - I actually thought this one was a good song. I don't think its as good as the Walk This Way remake, but I think its one of the better rock meets rap collaborations. What makes it unusual though is not as much militant rap meets hard rock as much as the fact that speed metal was such a short lived trend even within mainstream rock so the fact that they teamed up was an unusual thing.

Snoop Dogg and Katy Perry - if this had happened in the mid-90s, it would be possibly in the top two as Snoop still had street cred back then. At face value, doing a song with Timberlake was actually lamer as in Katy's case you can at least say you're standing next to a busty chick in a bikini and you're both Californians. This one took the cake because the song was actually Katy's cheesiest song and cheesy even by pop standards.

10. Diddy and Jimmy Page - I haven't bit my tongue regarding either of these. There's Diddy and the whole shaddy business dealings, meh solo music, publicity whore, overcompensating possibly closet homosexual thing. With Page there's one I actually like but just can't stand the the nut hugging fans that won't acknowledge Zep's musical theft. Rap lends itself well to a wide range of arrangements, so that's not the strange part. The most bizarre aspect is that Page hasn't been seen much in the last thirty years in general and the group as a whole even eschewed interviews when they were together, so what was it about a Diddy collaboration that was so enticing? Obviously the money didn't hurt, but I'm sure he could be three times richer based on things he's turned down over the years, so this is a mysterious one. Its also worth mentioning that Brian May performed on Five's "We Will Rock You" though it just barely missed the list.

9. David Bowie and Bing Crosby - shock rock meats traditional pop meets a Christmas song

8. Tom Jones and Art of Noise

7. Eminem and Elton John - homophobe rapper meets openly gay singer.

6. Justin Bieber and Ludacris - in Bieber you have a bubble gum pop singer who looked like an elementry school girl kid and in Ludacris you have a rapper responsible for some of the most sexually explicit lyrics of all time. His lyrics include everything from various things to do with his mouth and tongue to inventing new names for various positions. When the two worlds came together, what resulted was the most viewed Youtube music video of all time .

5. Wyclef John and Kenny Rodgers

4. Tim McGraw and Nelly - country (and not pop country at that) meets rap with the rapper singing .

3. Kenny Rodgers and Coolio - apparently Kenny didn't know when to hold em', fold em' walk away or run either, so the silver fox graces the list again.

2. Phil Collins and Bone Thugs N' Harmony - both sides have an unusual set of talents. In Phil Collins, you have a good songwriter with a decent voice who just happens to be a good drummer. In Bone Thugs, you have a bunch of guys who can rap really fast and just happen to also have decent singing voices. These worlds should never have met though.

1. Ozzy Osbourne and Miss Piggy - maybe not what the people at Ozzfest want to hear, but unlike Snoop, he bit the head off of a bat and snorted fire ants so his continous selling out can be overlooked.

I need to hear most of those, but great descriptions lol, especially this one:

in Bieber you have a bubble gum pop singer who looked like an elementry school girl kid

I was working on top 10 Slovakian models but google didn't recognize some of the names .

You can write them to me and I can correct you

Nice list. I actually loved that Diddy/Page song from the Godzilla soundtrack when it came out - seems a lifetime ago now <_<

If I can add another one: just about the only thing Jack White has done wrong in his career - doing this (pretty much inherently) awful collaboration with Insane Clown Posse :yuckky:

Also, this one's not that strange, but it's interesting and pretty cool. And features our Kimbra! This is her with Mark Foster (from Foster the People) and A-Trak.

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And who is she Joe?

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You can write them to me and I can correct you

I'm going to have to work on the order a little more too but I'll get back on that .

Nice list. I actually loved that Diddy/Page song from the Godzilla soundtrack when it came out - seems a lifetime ago now <_<

If I can add another one: just about the only thing Jack White has done wrong in his career - doing this (pretty much inherently) awful collaboration with Insane Clown Posse :yuckky:

Also, this one's not that strange, but it's interesting and pretty cool. And features our Kimbra! This is her with Mark Foster (from Foster the People) and A-Trak.

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Not really and you tanut me with Kimbra on top of that . My system for determining whether my own are Rick rolls now is looking at the likes and dislikes. If it has almost all dislikes, I assume its not the real video. If it has half or more likes, then I copy the link. Of course, until I resolve the issue, I could probably just start downloading them on fast non-work computers and then watching them on mine. Anyone can definitely add to it and I forgot the Insane Clow Posse, lol . Although I'm a mega hater of Diddy (that's as in hater, not as in literally hate him as I find it silly to actually hate celebrities I haven't even met), I didn't think the song was bad. The Kashmir arrangement is pretty much foolproof at face value but he also had much more intensity than his usual delivery has.

And who is she Joe?

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I see she's grown on you . I forgot the name but she's a model if that helps . I'll send it when I remember it .

Random things I was most surprised about with regard to location when I learned more about fashion models. These are in no particular order of course.

Disclaimer: These observations are in no way judgements on the overall beauty of said places. These aren't even based on the overall beauty of their models as even though I have seen a lot of them, I'm not claiming to know half of the models from these places. I also didn't seek out any models based on country. That said, I was surprised about these things .

I expected much more from France's models on the looks side - that's not necessarily based on my own experiences as much as the general hype that surrounds french women in general. I had heard them called the most beautiful in the world and even though I haven't seen any evidence of that and suspected that it was either a tourist marketing scheme or sentiment for the accent being applied to looks. At least I assumed with all the hype that surrounds the average french woman that they would have more impressive output with their models. I can't say that I was expecting them to live up to all of the hype, but at least half ot it. On top of that, they seem to have easy access to agencies than some other countries. So far, the french models I know are not only behind their actresses but don't rank among the hottest french women I've seen in general.

Slovakia isn't that big, but has a lot of models - I've already said that of course, and as was said, most don't have staying power but there are a lot of them anyway.

With Italy being one of the fashion capitals, I expected much more from their models on the looks end too - I can't say that I've necessarily been looking specifically as I said earlier, but I did expect more on the other hand.

Sweden seems to have a lot of models who are above average, but not particularly amazing or memorable - some say Swedish women are the most beautiful in the world. Without having gone there, my suspicion was that they either A) Just had a lower percentage of overtly ugly B) maximized their potential through healthy living C) Both A and B plus the perspective of people with a blonde fetish. Of course, how many of them are blonde is exhagerrated, but you get the point.

Belarus has a lot of interresting looking models - I didn't know what to expect seeing as how I haven't been there and don't know many celebrities from there. Of course, whether its an attractive interresting varies, but interresting nonetheless.

The Netherlands seem to have closer to the output that France and Sweden are hyped for - the Netherlands has about half as many people as France and about twice as many as Sweden. That said, by my tates, I've still seen far and away more beautiful models from the the Netherlands than those combined.

A lot of Eastern European models don't seem to have much staying power- at least that's the way it looks to me. I don't know whether its an agency thing or whether its just really competitive or what the deal is.

The same goes for the Czech Republic - they have about six million less people than the Netherlands, but I've also seen more beautiful models from there.

Though there are a lot of Brazilian and to a degree Spanish models, I'm surprised they haven't seemed to have even scratched the surface of all around latin woman hotness - of course, some of the countries are taller than others, but there's still a lot more that can be worked with.

With the phrase 'Greek goddess' being such a nice hook, I assumed there would be many more Greek models - they seem to be doing more on the men's mag side than fashion. What's strange about that though is that their men's models have fashion type bodies so I'm surprised I haven't seen more on the fashion side.

Romania is standing pretty strong - I'd say Romania is probably the biggest good surprise of the group. I've never been there, but I've always usually heard Romanian women used as the source of jokes related to being either vampish or manly. In contrast to that, they have an extremely high win percentage on the model end.

Despite not being overly impressed with Sweden't output, its worth mentioning that some of their most beautiful women aren't even blue eyed blondes - it seems they're most hyped as the land of the blondes, but they seem to be more diverse than given credit for. Not only that, but the variety seems quite nice as well.

To me, the average Brazilian woman have much better bottoms than their models - I can't say this is a huge surprise since fashion has different standards, but I was a little surprised at least. I am however impressed with how many beautiful Brazilian models there are overall and how as a group they've come from being mostly just Germans from Brazil to coming closer to representing the amazing diversity the country has.

I was extremely disappointed with the Californian Models overall - there's nearly 38 million people in California, which is more than both Canada and France. Along with that, California has not only an extremely diverse group (there's a Koreatown for goodness sakes), but some extremely beautiful women as well. Sure they along with Brazil lead the world in plastic surgery, but they definitely don't need it. Despite that, most Californian models I know are either really bland and forgettable or don't really exceed Miss Teen USA status.

I was extremely disappointed with the Californian Models overall - there's nearly 38 million people in California, which is more than both Canada and France.

You got your facts wrong Joe France has over 60 millions citizens, and Canada... [checking wikipedia ] 34,811,000. You should have given Poland as the example of a country which has as many people as California

And I have to agree with your points about France and Italy... well, they have their fashion capitals anyway!

Belarus has a lot of interresting looking models - I didn't know what to expect seeing as how I haven't been there and don't know many celebrities from there. Of course, whether its an attractive interresting varies, but interresting nonetheless.

Is it wrong of me that as I was reading this, I wanted to finish the 'I didn't know what to expect' with: Alexander Lukashenko nah apart from the mentioned Tanya and Maryna, from the top of my head I remember Anabela Belikova is also Belarussian. Victoria Azarenka, a tennis player is Belarussian too, although I really don't want to qualify sports people under 'celebrity' category, they are better than that....

I was extremely disappointed with the Californian Models overall - there's nearly 38 million people in California, which is more than both Canada and France.

You got your facts wrong Joe France has over 60 millions citizens, and Canada... [checking wikipedia ] 34,811,000. You should have given Poland as the example of a country which has as many people as California

And I have to agree with your points about France and Italy... well, they have their fashion capitals anyway!

Yeah, I thought that's what they said for France at the time. Do you mean I should have said more than twice as many instead of twice as many? That same source says California has almost 38 million people which is way more than Canada. A big part of that is because a lot of Canada is uninhabitable even to people adept to the cold. Nice Poland plug though . It seems to me that Poland has some pretty good models although they don't seem to have nearly as many as I expected them to.

And I have to agree with your points about France and Italy... well, they have their fashion capitals anyway!

Well, they put on good shows at least .

Is it wrong of me that as I was reading this, I wanted to finish the 'I didn't know what to expect' with: Alexander Lukashenko nah apart from the mentioned Tanya and Maryna, from the top of my head I remember Anabela Belikova is also Belarussian. Victoria Azarenka, a tennis player is Belarussian too, although I really don't want to qualify sports people under 'celebrity' category, they are better than that....

Well, he is a strange one if he's who I think he is . They're definitely an exotic group overall. I don't know if all athletes are better or not. For me its a case by case basis. I'd take a great actor or singer over a bench warmer any day . That's not to say I don't appreciate the bench warmer. I do agree from the perspective that a bad professional athlete in my book is superior in talent to a bad actor, singer ect. just because a bad athlete by pro standards is still superior to millions at their craft whereas bad singers and actors just got lucky. On top of that, even though an athlete can become overhyped because of their looks, they can't make their league because of it obviously. It is interresting that even though athletes classify as celebrities technically, at red carpet events they care more about a supporting character from Pretty Little Liars than her superstar athlete boyfriend and if they break up, he's not invited the next time .

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Aymeline? Underrated? From what I see it looks like she's one of the busiest top models these days... I don't follow modelling as much as I used to but I see Aymeline pretty often in ads.

Noemie Lenoir is French, Constance Jablonski too. Leah de Wavrin, Sigrid Agren....

Yeah, I thought that's what they said for France at the time. Do you mean I should have said more than twice as many instead of twice as many? That same source says California has almost 38 million people which is way more than Canada. A big part of that is because a lot of Canada is uninhabitable even to people adept to the cold. Nice Poland plug though . It seems to me that Poland has some pretty good models although they don't seem to have nearly as many as I expected them to.

I don't know Joe... I read this a few times and now you got me confused

Well, he is a strange one if he's who I think he is . They're definitely an exotic group overall. I don't know if all athletes are better or not. For me its a case by case basis. I'd take a great actor or singer over a bench warmer any day . That's not to say I don't appreciate the bench warmer. I do agree from the perspective that a bad professional athlete in my book is superior in talent to a bad actor, singer ect. just because a bad athlete by pro standards is still superior to millions at their craft whereas bad singers and actors just got lucky. On top of that, even though an athlete can become overhyped because of their looks, they can't make their league because of it obviously. It is interresting that even though athletes classify as celebrities technically, at red carpet events they care more about a supporting character from Pretty Little Liars than her superstar athlete boyfriend and if they break up, he's not invited the next time .

Yeah, you know who I was talking about

Ah no, I didn't mean all athletes. And I don't think that all actors=celebrities. I wouldn't call Meryl Streep a celebrity... she's a movie star. What I meant that it's so annoying that it seems that all it takes for sb to get recognizable is attending a few parties and then, suddenly, they are ~style icons~ and what not, as it is an achievement And sportsmen, yeah, they may succeed very early in their careers but they need to work hard all the time in order to stay on top.

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Aymeline? Underrated? From what I see it looks like she's one of the busiest top models these days... I don't follow modelling as much as I used to but I see Aymeline pretty often in ads.

Noemie Lenoir is French, Constance Jablonski too. Leah de Wavrin, Sigrid Agren....

I mean underrated on BZ - I know she works a lot

Yeah, I forgot about Noemie, and didn't realise Constance was French

Don't know the others <_<

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Aymeline? Underrated? From what I see it looks like she's one of the busiest top models these days... I don't follow modelling as much as I used to but I see Aymeline pretty often in ads.

Noemie Lenoir is French, Constance Jablonski too. Leah de Wavrin, Sigrid Agren....

I mean underrated on BZ - I know she works a lot

Yeah, I forgot about Noemie, and didn't realise Constance was French

Don't know the others <_<

Oh ok

Yeah, her surname could indicate she's from my country haha, I guess maybe her grandfather could be Polish. I was pretty sure Jacqueline Jablonski is French too, but in fact she's Canadian.

Leah isn't working a lot these days, Sigrid is/was a pretty popular top model from Martinique. No wonder you may not know her, she's a bit bland I don't know about her now, but I remember reading some thread on tfs a few months ago were people were posting pictures of her blue hands

And I think I read that Anais Mali is half Ghanian/half Polish, but she was born and raised in France? Ask Joe, he probably knows better than me

I don't know Joe... I read this a few times and now you got me confused

I was confused initially when you said I had my facts wrong that there were sixty million when the only thing I remember saying about their number is that there were twice as many as the Netherlands. From that I assume you meant I should have said more than twice as many as the Netherlands since its a lot more than twice as many .

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Aymeline? Underrated? From what I see it looks like she's one of the busiest top models these days... I don't follow modelling as much as I used to but I see Aymeline pretty often in ads.

Noemie Lenoir is French, Constance Jablonski too. Leah de Wavrin, Sigrid Agren....

I mean underrated on BZ - I know she works a lot

Yeah, I forgot about Noemie, and didn't realise Constance was French

Don't know the others <_<

Maybe there's more than people think because we don't hear most of them talk? I know I at least see what country models are from at the time I read the first post and don't see many french ones let alone among even my favorite European models on top of that. The fact that I like more models from Romania is still funny to me .

Yeah, you know who I was talking about

Ah no, I didn't mean all athletes. And I don't think that all actors=celebrities. I wouldn't call Meryl Streep a celebrity... she's a movie star. What I meant that it's so annoying that it seems that all it takes for sb to get recognizable is attending a few parties and then, suddenly, they are ~style icons~ and what not, as it is an achievement And sportsmen, yeah, they may succeed very early in their careers but they need to work hard all the time in order to stay on top.

Oh, you meant the socialites . That's true about the style 'icons' although you can see how easily replaced they are. Look at Megan Fox for example. She was everywhere a couple years ago even despite not being that talented or in that many movies and now it seems like she never existed. As to the Meryl thing, I think the media has somewhat altered the definition of the term celebrity. In the purest sense, celebrity is in the eye of the beholder (such as 'he's a celebrity in these parts') but the fact that reality TV and online videos have opened the door for anyone to be known by millions of people, the title has lost effect so I can see why you wouldn't want to apply the same term to a talented legend. On a different note though, I didn't know Chelsea's name was Handler. I referred to her as Chelsea as "Ms. Lately" and "Chelsea Lately said" and my female friends ridiculed me elementry style . I mean on the floor type laughing .

Sweden seems to have a lot of models who are above average, but not particularly amazing or memorable - some say Swedish women are the most beautiful in the world. Without having gone there, my suspicion was that they either A) Just had a lower percentage of overtly ugly B) maximized their potential through healthy living C) Both A and B plus the perspective of people with a blonde fetish. Of course, how many of them are blonde is exhagerrated, but you get the point.

Aymeline Valade is one of my favourites, and is really underrated. I can't even think of any other French models at all though

Oh, there's Laeticia I guess. Where are they all though?

Interesting with the recent 'Dutch Spring' too. It's a little like the 'Belgian Uprising' at the turn of the millennium with Hannelore Knuts, Elise Crombez and (my favourite) Anouck Lepere: a (relatively) small country with this sudden surge of models landing the high-profile gigs...

I was confused initially when you said I had my facts wrong that there were sixty million when the only thing I remember saying about their number is that there were twice as many as the Netherlands. From that I assume you meant I should have said more than twice as many as the Netherlands since its a lot more than twice as many .

No, I was confused cause I thought you were referring to this 'California has more people than France and Canada' combined. Looks like you weren't

Oh, you meant the socialites . That's true about the style 'icons' although you can see how easily replaced they are. Look at Megan Fox for example. She was everywhere a couple years ago even despite not being that talented or in that many movies and now it seems like she never existed. As to the Meryl thing, I think the media has somewhat altered the definition of the term celebrity. In the purest sense, celebrity is in the eye of the beholder (such as 'he's a celebrity in these parts') but the fact that reality TV and online videos have opened the door for anyone to be known by millions of people, the title has lost effect so I can see why you wouldn't want to apply the same term to a talented legend. On a different note though, I didn't know Chelsea's name was Handler. I referred to her as Chelsea as "Ms. Lately" and "Chelsea Lately said" and my female friends ridiculed me elementry style . I mean on the floor type laughing .

Not only... there are quite many 'singers' who supposedly have 1 or 2 songs out, yet instead of remembering the title or the melody of their songs, you'd be quicker to count the number of Loubutins they have, based on their party photo evidence etc.

Haha, you're not the only one, quite many people think she's 'Lately.' Or call her Tracy she mentions it in her show quite frequently. Ahhh and you used 'my' emoticon