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Wait, is underwater hockey really a thing?

YOU'RE (thread's) BACK!!!

^I really don't know... But Erin's thread view has raised exponentially to her dating of Leo. Suddenly she has all these new "fans", praising her modelling powers and maintaining she's their favourite. Honestly, I'd say it's gone up about 10 times the speed it normally was since that liaison. Curious isn't it? Leo fans, what can you do? He's also the only 'Guy' with an official sub-thread, no? And all because of that turgid film Titanic...

^How did you "invent" the naturally occurring orange zest???

I don't even want to know about 'Yoghurt Cheese'.

Yes indeed and glad to be minus the fact that I'm still trying to get the posts of this other thread out of here and if it were a ploy to inflate the veiw count, surely there was something better than one of the whinning threads .

So in other words, not only have I been beaten to the punch, it wouldn't count as an invention even if I hadn't. Way to twist the knife . Some recipes seem to call for it though and if you dig too deeply into it, you get some not so sweet parts. The peel in general is a good mosquito repellant as a side note. That is a good point about the Beiber fans. Although he may be able to continually bring in new young ones since he still looks like a kid, the older ones will obviously grow out of him at some point compared to the hardcore fans of a grown person. Although I know you jest, interrestingly enough, I've never looked at the views to any of these personal threads, but a million views wouldn't be consolation of having those posts in here . I'm systematically moving the posts, they can take their views and even my old ones with them if that's what it takes to get this dribble out of here .

Wait, is underwater hockey really a thing?

Unfortunately for me, yes . Well, not that unfortunate since its pretty awesome . There's a unicycle hockey as well.

It sounds amazing. When I was a kid, I invented a water polo equivalent of regular polo where instead of riding horses, the players rode dolphins. Impractical maybe, but I'd give it a watch if it were on TV.

P.S. Joe, drop me a line if you need a hand sorting out the '3 Things' thread. I once merged what I thought were two 'celebrity lookalike' threads and wound up having to change it all back, so I'm experienced in this particular area.

I always wanted to rid a dolphin with lazers into battle . One can always dream though .

There are a few things I'm certain of. Two of those things are that at least 95% of really athletic women tend to have 20 inch waists and really big boobs and 99% of white women have big round butts. Well, maybe not in the real world, but in the world of superhero comics for the most part . I gave the second part a mention just for fun, but as to the first part, I really do think regular size busts need some more love in the comic world. Sure its supposed to be nerd's fantasy or whatever, but I find since they're almost all busty, it makes the hotness of the non busty ones seem to stand out more. In any case, this trend is not unanimous by any means as there are some representing for the small to regular size.

Disclaimer: Famous characters are generally drawn and interpreted by several artists over the years, so of course there are variations in some. Also, as to the 'don't know much abouts' I am indeed aware of the existence of wikipedia, but am somewhat wary of spoilers. Well, spoilers and the whole pretend to be an expert when I'm not thing.

Dagger Tandy Bowen - from the Cloak and Dagger series that if I'm not mistaken, may be one of the first to tackle the war on druges issue.

Kitty Pride - has the power to make objects intangible. I'm not sure which member of the X-Men she's related to, but she adds to their list of interresting abilities nonetheless. Like many, she is sometimes portrayed as busty of course, but not often enough to be excluded.

Meltdown Tabitha Smith - I'm not particularly keen on the X-Force angle and I try to avoid online bios as they seem to have an absurd ammount of spoilers. That said, she seems to have some kindof energy balls and a regular sized bosom besides.

Snowbird Narya - able to transform into white furred animals, but faces a bit of an inner conflict in that the longer she stays in that form, the more difficult it is to return to her normal state.

Armor - one of the more modern creations of the X-Men universe uses phsychic powers to create huge armor that both protects her and gives her super stregnth. To my knowlege, its only weaknesses are lasers and adamantiam metal.

Shi - I don't know much about Shi other than the fact that she's hot, has a sword and of course, regular sized boobs. I'm thinking Kelly Hu or Natassia Malthe would be good casting?

The Huntress - there's more than one version of the huntresses although to my knowledge, they all look alike. One is the daughter of Batman and Catwoman and may be a hero, villain or inbetween. There may have been others, but the most familiar with modern readers was born into a mob family who she saw murdered and thus began her path as a vigillante. Depictions of the bust vary from artist to artist, but overall, she wasn't gifted with a big bosom or powers, but is still one of the hottest female characters, can really fight and has an interresting story.

Princess Pantha - one of the earlier ones. During a time when female characters were generally for being rescued, Princess Pantha fought men with guns, alligators and anything else in her way. She would later be updated to have a more 'modern' and 'edgy' look and a large bust as well .

Psyloche - definitely holds up X-Men's reputation for coming up with really unique backstorys and incredibly unique powers.

Emma Frost - you have the good telepaths such as the Professor, the evil such as Shadow King and you have Emma kindof doing her own thing. The whole anti hero thing is part of what makes her interresting. What also makes her interresting is that she's a comic character that can be hot without the help of a huge bosom. Of course, as with some others, different artists take their own liberties obviously.

Jean Grey - one of the greatest inner conflicts in all of comics as she constantly struggles with the fact that if she uses too much of her power, she can become her evil alter ego and lose control entirely. Obviously, different artists have their own way, but still one fo the smaller tops overall.

Feel free to add of course .

Well, I'm glad you respect heroism anyway .

My concept of what 'heroism' is, is much stricter and significantly different from the norm. I'm sure of it. I only know one real hero. There are plenty of chest-thumpers, but their existence isn't as special or contributory as they think it is. :-p

This is an entirely different, and rather complicated subject for me.

I do happen to love animals, but I love people more and we're the ones getting screwed moreso. One doesn't have to care about animals or nature to see that the American beef industries practices over the last fifty years has been both a detriment to our economy and a colossal waste of our resources.

These industries, including all of US agriculture, are an insignificant segment of the US economy as a whole, Joe. Revenues and profits. It's only 3rd world countries where agriculture and industry tend to be most important. With 40% of the US economy exposed or partially exposed to international trade, I consider excessive de-industrialization to be a bigger risk.

We argue over whether to cut the taxes of the rich or middle class while feeding 85% of our corn, soy beans, wheat and grains to cows. In America, it takes almost twenty pounds of food that is edible to humans to produce only one pound of beef. That's several times more food than it takes to produce a pound of pork, turkey or chicken meat. Over time, its taking more to feed them because we're making them bigger with unnatural hormones

I know that Americans consume a lot of 'expensive' crops but that's capitalism. You want this to be regulated or whatever- that's okay, too. In the end, there will be more people on this earth and more people living in this country & others in the centuries to come, and they will have to deal with potential problems. As for now, this is a vastly underpopulated country by most standards.

The entire population of India and China combined live on less land than Americans do, so consider us lucky. And I care about the 22nd century as much as the people of the 22nd century care about me....

. You speak of fallen civilizations when ironically, many great civilizations have fallen due to topsoil erosion.

I dislike the use of historicism (I use it rarely)....

We've now caused over 70% of our nation's topsoil depletion with our modern livestock raising methods. There's also even regulations now on how many times you can water your yard in many states because there's such a premium on water now, whereas it takes several hundred gallons of water to produce only one pound of beef. Even if I hated animals, my stance wouldn't be altered any. The growth hormones we feed them have also been linked to various diseases along with premature development. Before these hormones, the average American started puberty at 14-16 believe it or not. Now, those chemicals have gotten so immersed in our DNA that many start puberty at as young as 8 years old now. Early pubic development is also linked with several longterm diseases. So all in all, what was designed to save money (making them grow faster) is instead costing us more money. Because they're bigger, they require more food. The food they require takes away from food that we could be eating. Because they're bigger, they require more water, which takes away from the water we could be drinking, washing ect. with. As a result of the chemicals, over 60% of them are diseased and because of the pesticides, the food they eat is diseased. All of those chemicals pass to the people that eat them. The money that it takes to treat the diseases that result in making them bigger alone far exceeds any money ever saved from simply getting them to the market faster. I'm not even suggesting that we become a nation of vegetarians by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter of fact, by contrast, one of our biggest crimes was our waste of the Buffalo. Of course, it was primarily a crime because it was for the purpose of starving the Natives and cheating us of a great animal in general, but also because it was a waste of resources as well. Not only could we have been eating their meat, but their milk is not only better than cow's milk, but twice as time and resource efficient. Anyway, as to the not suggesting part, I am however saying that decreasing our reliance on cows by even 10% would make and save us a whole lot of money annually.

^

I am pretty health conscious myself, and there is a large spectrum of foods that I don't eat.

There are operating inefficiencies, and wastes in every industry (most obviously, education, defense, some consumer discretionary, and healthcare)... including entire industries that work to produce goods & services that are objectively harmful. It's even worse in other countries outside of the US- I've seen it myself. One could complain about them all. It's a matter of perspective in the end. In the end, capitalism is about activity, waste, and consumption for the sake of activity, waste, and consumption. There will be economic growth Joe, and more and more commodities will be consumed and wasted. And there will continue to be an army of freshly unemployed, after the end of every secular cycle, that will try to attach themselves onto the next waves of growth. And the Chinese economy, including slowdowns, is likely to be the size of the US economy in two decades, thus removing us of 'superpower' status. The indian economy is also growing briskly, regardless of setbacks.

As far as food prices go, American food and energy prices are very low (and also, unregulated) compared to those in Japan, Germany, France, and much of the EU. There are tradeoffs that were made, and consequences to be taken.

On top of that, more organic methods being more of a requirement than luxury would drastically cut down on medical expenses as well which would save us even more money. All in all, its not an issue of ideology or sentiment, but strictly business. To further show that my feelings on this aren't based on animal sentiment, I feel more sorry for the shell fish that are cooked alive, but won't have a soap box about it . With our cows on the other hand, some of them are living better than a lot of working class people.

But, you like animals, don't you? You have an ideology, and a belief system. I mean, it's clear that you've read environmentalist material- including the sell: Let's have our cake and eat it too. I am personally a non-scientist so I don't have strong views about any of this. I do know, however, that such predictions, just like the nonstop macroeconomic battles we have in the press, academia, and Washington, is mostly fuzzy, imprecise yet, in some places, educated speculation. And when weight of facts change, my opinion will change along with the facts. However, as of right now I look at environmentalist talk as being almost as fuzzy and consequential as 'Peak Oil' prognosticators.

Let me give you an example: I believe that macro economists (people who forecast future economic growth for entire nations, and, some of megalomaniac ones,- even the world-) are so absorbed in the 'macro' variables that they ignore the 'micro' variables- industry and firm level stuff. It gets silly at times to read their reports as it's quite clear that they don't understand the financial markets, and how to monitor & value companies at all. They talk about 'economic growth' but don't look at growth industries much or industry economics. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Human beings are intellectually limited- how could they understand it all and predict how it shifts so precisely? They can't- they just have to be biased towards their area of competence, and this blinder will always exist.

So I listen to them, but I take their predictions with a grain of salt, and with an eye on their limitations. When I look at environmental science, I see the same logical conundrums. Do people really know that much? What are they overlooking? What is their agenda? That's the question I ask. But I am fine with taxpayer dollars being expended to subsidize alternate energy and Obama's Initiative, though, given that it's long term value will likely exceed its costs and medium term losses. But then again- my personality deems the fact that it's not the environment that I'm chiefly concerned with, but rather the future potential of lower energy costs and new technologies. Sources of new employment and national competitiveness.......

And they say comics are over-sexualised; but it's interesting to note that Dagger, Kitty (initially), Meltdown and Armor were all specifically teenager characters. So - smaller busts because that's appropriate?!?! Kitty is supposedly all grown up now (early 20's I guess?) but they never thought to "age" her bosom to the pneumatic-levels of every other woman of that age in the Marvel universe!

Emma Frost though, as far as I know, always sports ridiculous beach balls which defy gravity in the similarly ridiculous little pieces of nothing that constitute her on and off duty clothing. Maybe you just caught her on a frumpy day?

LOL ! Well, I should probably add that X-Men comics made over the last twenty years are a bit confusing to me, so I'm not much of an authority on those. I should add by confusing that I don't mean in a good way (as in being so deep) either. As a result, I'm not sure whether I've even seen much of her in the comics or not, so I'm mostly familier with the artwork. I have seen her with huge ones of course, but then again, I've seen Tinkerbelle with huge ones, so I couldn't tell whether it was a specific artists's take or not.

LOL @ the people 22nd century thing . Good points, although for the sake of clarity, I should probably add that I don't look at problems as relative. Well, I do if its just for positive thinking just for the sake of my health. When I had a sprained ankle, I wasn't much consoled by the fact that someone in Korea somewhere had a broken leg. That's not to say I didn't care about their broken leg. When I say I don't like something that goes on here, I am of course aware that its worse somewhere else, but to me a broken foot is a broken foot even if someone else has a broken leg. For example, I seek to stop sex trafficking and help starving children here but am aware of course that both are far worse in some other places. Its true that the actual money we put into that industry isn't going to put us into the ground. I just love this country and want it to be its best although I am grateful for all the good that we do have. As to the cow thing, my problem though is the natural resources that go into it rather than the money it costs. Of course, those resources (the water, grains, wheat, topsoil, land, soy ect.) are technically worth money. The fact that I can get a ticket for running my sprinklers more than once a week while it takes several hundred gallons of water just to produce a pound of beef (under our modern practices) annoys me to be honest . The fact that 85% of oats, corn, soy and wheat are fed to cows when we have starving children and veterans is simply ridiculous and there's no way around it. Just imagine the money we could save on welfare and all those things if even half of that were being fed to humans. On top of that, cows that are fed grass instead of grains, oats ect. actually produce better meat anyway. The effects of the growth hormones and tranquilizers on those that consume them is a problem for the present and not the future. Its really a strange irony that its illegal for a grown man to use steroids, but legal to give a cow steroids and feed its meat and milk to a small child. As to food prices, unfortunately its the artificial and harmful chemicals that help to make foods cheaper. That's why I said organic food producers should probably consider lowering their prices in order to be able to compete. The population thing is interresting because though we aren't as overpopulated as some, our population is still growing and people are living longer (not because we're healthier, but because we have superior technology to treat ourselves) so it will be interresting. Perhaps as you said, that is the people of the future's problem though .

I couldn't agree more with your sentiment about the economist predictions as well .

Joesph, if someone asked you to come up with an honest list of every model you actually liked, and even those that you sat on the fence with, could you? A couple of GF's of mine and I were talking about models we liked and disliked and tried to come up with lists to match, needless to say it's been kinda hard. I'm actually going to try and come up with both lists and I'll let you know the results.

Top 10 Most Innocent Popular (to narrow it down), Active Model Fantasies

Sometimes the simple things get neglected. Well, not with me as these may bee too simple, but here it goes anyway .

Emily D - ride the double bike

Doutzen - hiking

Ashley Smith - tractor racing. She's southern too, so I assume she knows something about that.

Hilary Rhoda - brush the brows with a fresh from the package tooth brush

Various - staring contest

Chanel and Kate - dancing

Gisele/Various - shampoo and condition her hair

Joan Smalls - piggy back riding

Ana Jaggy - that game where you hold hands and spin in a circle

Cintia Dicker - pick her up by the waist and put her on a horse

Various - lift and tickle mercilessly

Love this

I have this fantasy with Gisele, Daria and Behati - to take them all and go into woods, vandering around, sleeping anywhere and just having fun

I always wanted to rid a dolphin with lazers into battle . One can always dream though .

Joesph, if someone asked you to come up with an honest list of every model you actually liked, and even those that you sat on the fence with, could you? A couple of GF's of mine and I were talking about models we liked and disliked and tried to come up with lists to match, needless to say it's been kinda hard. I'm actually going to try and come up with both lists and I'll let you know the results.

I'm looking forward to this project . That is both doing mine and seeing what you and your friends come up with. Before I start though, I might need to define like a bit by the standards of this discussion . Well, I'll just assume like would mean that I'm interrested enough to go out in my way to see her on some level. I could probably start off with some of the on the fence though.

Daniela Freitas - I was terrified of her initially and still somewhat am, but I'm starting to think she's kindof pretty and interresting and she seems to be growing on me.

Rosie H.W. - I continue to be on the fence with her as when she makes certain faces straight on, I find her really strange (and not high fashion edgy strange) looking whereas I find her to be much prettier diaganally. Also on the positive end, even though her body isn't a rare find by any means, I like her hips and prefer her type of slim over many of the others because it appears to be her natural size.

Kim Noorda - definitely not for attraction, but I assume with her intensity she could maybe win me over with the right shoot. As I said, that would be for the artistic merits rather than attraction anyway.

Top 10 Most Innocent Popular (to narrow it down), Active Model Fantasies

Sometimes the simple things get neglected. Well, not with me as these may bee too simple, but here it goes anyway .

Emily D - ride the double bike

Doutzen - hiking

Ashley Smith - tractor racing. She's southern too, so I assume she knows something about that.

Hilary Rhoda - brush the brows with a fresh from the package tooth brush

Various - staring contest

Chanel and Kate - dancing

Gisele/Various - shampoo and condition her hair

Joan Smalls - piggy back riding

Ana Jaggy - that game where you hold hands and spin in a circle

Cintia Dicker - pick her up by the waist and put her on a horse

Various - lift and tickle mercilessly

Love this

I have this fantasy with Gisele, Daria and Behati - to take them all and go into woods, vandering around, sleeping anywhere and just having fun

Glad you can relate and your scenario sounds like a lot of fun .

I always wanted to rid a dolphin with lazers into battle . One can always dream though .

^Have you ever seen the film Gentlemen Broncos, Joe? There're no 'dolphins with lazers' unfortunately, but it does have 'deers with rocket-launchers'!

I haven't, but I feel almost certain that its awesome !

Glad you can relate and your scenario sounds like a lot of fun .

Yeah, we would reign the castles for a night or two, then move on to the next ones, drink beer, take pictures... oh hell that would be awesome

How about you and the befriended deer, Joe?

Faith in humanity restored

FUCK YEAH! Ohio State U

Skill level: Asian

Glad you can relate and your scenario sounds like a lot of fun .

Yeah, we would reign the castles for a night or two, then move on to the next ones, drink beer, take pictures... oh hell that would be awesome

How about you and the befriended deer, Joe?

Faith in humanity restored

FUCK YEAH! Ohio State U

Skill level: Asian

Really now? Kinda hard to tone when there ain't nothing there... Just sayin'