TheBaronOfFratton

I found these rather amusing because they are bodybuilder poses :

I don't know anything about Rosie. Frankly, I think she's looked the best at galas and social events (rather than photoshoots VS or otherwise).

I don't know anything about Rosie. Frankly, I think she's looked the best at galas and social events (rather than photoshoots VS or otherwise).

^Yes, she does indeed rock an evening dress rather fabulously...

Yes, she looked wonderful there, as in other places.

I liked this one, too:

I liked this one, too:

I liked this one, too:

^jaja - I very nearly used that same picture to illustrate my above point!

They should have taped her getting into and out of that car, and loop it for a Miss Sunshine gif!

I liked this one, too:

^jaja - I very nearly used that same picture to illustrate my above point!

They should have taped her getting into and out of that car, and loop it for a Miss Sunshine gif!

but of course, ill gif away when your in need

Lies

^

But that Eddie McGuire presents it in your country and, by being the President of Collingwood Football Club, we know he talks shit...

You got me there

I don't know anything about Rosie. Frankly, I think she's looked the best at galas and social events (rather than photoshoots VS or otherwise).

^Yes, she does indeed rock an evening dress rather fabulously...

She knows how to rock that Jessica Rabbit look too

Great call on the back thing Baron and Jennka does indeed have nice arms and Behati and the other girl a nice back though Miranda's scared me in that pic and I never noticed Marisa's arms. Interresting phrasing on the 'overblown exclaimations of Megan's divinity' and I accidentally glanced over the 'objectively stunning' and laughed out loud . I hope none is offended . It seems like an oxymoron of the ages, though I'm tempted to find a use for it since its catchy and of course, even the sunrise has its haters, but it still just seems to right .

Ive noticed this in several women Ive liked over the years. They could be with the ugliest man but if they love him he suddenly becomes "cute" or "unconventionally attractive", its one of those transformations men can go through in the eyes of a woman (the most notable transformation comes when they discover you're loaded ). For men rarely theres such transformations, but they're for me. So many gorgeous girls are empty eyes with boring, demanding, whiny personalities used to get everything from life, I just cant be arsed to go with anyone like that.

On the sexual attraction front, women find very intriguing a man with a commanding personality, that has been 3/4 of any small success I had over the years with the ladies. They always wonder, "why is he so damn confident?". Always remember the Seinfeld episode where I think George constanza says "women love someone who's in control, a kaiser, a tzar.. -there was a punchline somewhere-", and its 100% true. Most important thing for a woman, in my limited experience, its to feel safe with her BF or with her romantic interest. If she feels he can protect her, makes her feel comfortable and on top of that makes her laugh, it doesnt matter how ugly or repulsive a man is, she'll go to war for him.

Men, on the other hand, and there are exceptions like myself and hopefully the Baron, are literal horny dogs, who rarely bring any kind of subtlety to sexual attraction. they only like women with big breasts, round ass, curvy body. I remember when one of my best friends asked me why I was going out with such an ugly woman (his words were a bit mroe vulgar), and I used what I thought at that moment was an original idea, but actually came from Proust (incidentally, a man whom like shakespeare wrote everything you need to know about love and life), "beautiful women are for men without imagination".

But although I love the sound of my own voice, I find it mroe interesting to read women like jennka talking about what they find attractive in a man. The strong arms part I have it nailed on but yes Id like to read what other things you find attractive in a man, also personality wise. I do have to stress that while confidence is important, you cannot be too confident because it's happened to me that then they develop a strong disliking for you because they see you as arrogant and bullish, its all in the balance.

This confidence thing is so very true I mean, when you look at man, confident (healthy confident) and not looking like a macho man, you instantly think "there must be something that makes him this confident" and you want to find it. So yes, it works pretty well he somehow transforms in your eyes, it´s amazing it´s not only in what he says, it´s about HOW he says it, how he moves, how he looks at you and the others, how he laughs... it´s so many things.

I´m especially obssesed by how people move. Every single move they make, can say a lot about a human. Insecurity, confidence, agresivity... I mean, I´ve fallen in love with my fruitlover because of his moves, laugh and eyes.

Oh, and the zcar thing, for me there is this woman in every woman in the whole world - this woman who loves to be protected. BUT I usually divide women into three groups - leaders, partners and game. Leaders need undermen, that kind of men who just sit and do everything what is told them to do. Partners need equally strong men, someone with who they can walk side by side, but also men who are decisive and can "bang their hand on table" and say "it will be done like THIS" but also men who can do compromise and give in for her idea when needed. Balanced. The game are contrary to the leaders - they need a leader. Someone who will tell them what to do all the time.

Men, on the other hand, and there are exceptions like myself and hopefully the Baron, are literal horny dogs, who rarely bring any kind of subtlety to sexual attraction.

^Yes, I'd like to think I've evolved slightly more than the average man! I'm also well above the prescribed tenets of 'romantic gestures' too - leave that flowers and chocolates crap to the amateurs!!!

I know what you mean though. Where are the female equivalents of quirkier sex-symbols like Christopher Walken say, or Javier Bardem. These aren't conventionally handsome men - yet I know plenty of women who like them. There are plenty of other examples - just these two came up in recent conversation only this weekend. Money/fame does play a part, sure, but men still don't fantasize about Barbra Streisand do they

(well, straight ones don't!)

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I love you for that! I have been fighting against this bullshit my whole life

I accidentally glanced over the 'objectively stunning' and laughed out loud . I hope none is offended

Of course not , I hope you do find a use for it - as you know (particularly around VSFS time) objective as opposed to subjective is something I find myself banging my head into a brick wall about when the comments about 'beauty' and who has to 'best' comes up...

I love you for that! I have been fighting against this bullshit my whole life

There must be a history behind that and maybe trade associations were involved. Chocolate used to be a luxury or special food item pre WW1. Just speculating, though.

Great call on the back thing Baron and Jennka does indeed have nice arms and Behati and the other girl a nice back though Miranda's scared me in that pic and I never noticed Marisa's arms. Interresting phrasing on the 'overblown exclaimations of Megan's divinity' and I accidentally glanced over the 'objectively stunning' and laughed out loud . I hope none is offended . It seems like an oxymoron of the ages, though I'm tempted to find a use for it since its catchy and of course, even the sunrise has its haters, but it still just seems to right .

Of course not , I hope you do find a use for it - as you know (particularly around VSFS time) objective as opposed to subjective is something I find myself banging my head into a brick wall about when the comments about 'beauty' and who has to 'best' comes up...

It's interesting though. I use it to describe something where a general appeal obviously exists ( but at the same time, something that I personally have no feelings, little due diligence, or impression for). So I am viewing it (or he or she) through a dispassionate and detached lens. Rosie is something that fits this criteria (at the time of my statement).

This confidence thing is so very true I mean, when you look at man, confident (healthy confident) and not looking like a macho man, you instantly think "there must be something that makes him this confident" and you want to find it. So yes, it works pretty well he somehow transforms in your eyes, it´s amazing it´s not only in what he says, it´s about HOW he says it, how he moves, how he looks at you and the others, how he laughs... it´s so many things.

I´m especially obssesed by how people move. Every single move they make, can say a lot about a human. Insecurity, confidence, agresivity... I mean, I´ve fallen in love with my fruitlover because of his moves, laugh and eyes.

Confidence is just a discipline of thinking and acting. Marx made many errors, but I always like this quote:" All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind."

Outside my first "love", all the times that my partners and I have fallen in love have involved a considerable time frame and the affairs themselves have consistently been of the mutually spontaneous sort. To me, all of it is grown more than actively sought.

but of course, ill gif away when your in need

Oh thanks Miss Sunshine

I love you for that! I have been fighting against this bullshit my whole life

^Some massively unimaginative committee got together, one day long ago, and decided this is what would pass muster for "romance" - and the herd followed. If you need to be told what's romantic then you have no hope of being it, do you?

Exactly what I think. One friend of mine once asked me "what do you find romantic" and I was like "I hate cliches, I´m no romantic myself" - but when you think about the true meaning of it, then yeah, many things are romantic for me - waking up next to man I love, sitting in the cottage in woods, watching and hearing guys play the instruments, lying in the grass and listening to the whispering of trees and birds sing... wandering through the country with pals or just reading book, leaning against my fruitlover and many more. Romantic things are simple indeed and have different meaning to different persons.

All this "this is romance" bullshit is gross. People should learn to actually think and feel for themselves... not follow books of Danielle Steel

There must be a history behind that and maybe trade associations were involved. Chocolate used to be a luxury or special food item pre WW1. Just speculating, though.

So were grapes and many other things. But no one takes grapes to a date which is, if you ask me, such a badluck

Great call on the back thing Baron and Jennka does indeed have nice arms and Behati and the other girl a nice back though Miranda's scared me in that pic and I never noticed Marisa's arms. Interresting phrasing on the 'overblown exclaimations of Megan's divinity' and I accidentally glanced over the 'objectively stunning' and laughed out loud . I hope none is offended . It seems like an oxymoron of the ages, though I'm tempted to find a use for it since its catchy and of course, even the sunrise has its haters, but it still just seems to right .

Of course not , I hope you do find a use for it - as you know (particularly around VSFS time) objective as opposed to subjective is something I find myself banging my head into a brick wall about when the comments about 'beauty' and who has to 'best' comes up...

It's interesting though. I use it to describe something where a general appeal obviously exists ( but at the same time, something that I personally have no feelings, little due diligence, or impression for). So I am viewing it (or he or she) through a dispassionate and detached lens. Rosie is something that fits this criteria (at the time of my statement).

Well yeah, it is true in that sense even though it sounds funny and we can still give objective opinions of course, like I can't stand Christina Aguilera as a vocalist (lack of genuine emotion, pop singer imitating R&B stylings without the genuine vibe, mechanical lifeless and forced runs ect.), but her voice is objectively strong and powerful. It happens in sports talk too I guess when a guy may be an intolerable prick as well as succeding to the detriment of our team, but we still give him props on his talent at face value. What's really funny though is the phrase 'she's not attractive' even with the knowledge that thousands are attracted to them when in a way attractiveness is how well they can attract so they're attractive whether we're attractive to them or not so I guess the correct term would be 'I'm not attracted to her'. But from my eyes it may seem like a fact that Paris Hilton isn't good looking, but a lot of guys would buy her a drink if she came to a bar anyway, so there you are I guess . And with the VSFS thing, yeah...one thing about it though is its impressive that they can bridge the big gap that's been forged between fashion shows and the mainstream it seems.

Couldnt agree more. Every sentence of it

There must be a history behind that and maybe trade associations were involved. Chocolate used to be a luxury or special food item pre WW1. Just speculating, though.

I'm sure there is some sort of historical link to these things being romantic, just as there are in many 'festival' accoutrements... I mean, it's well known that chocolate was the bollocks after the Europeans "discovered" the Americas (indeed cocoa-beans were even currency in parts of what is now Mexico), so that could easily be seen as some sort of grandiose gesture - as was any new genus of flower. But also back then people went mad for pineapples, they flaunted them as status-symbols, gave them to lovers as tokens of affection, and even decorated homes and gardens with stone pineapple statues! But, for some reason, flowers and chocolates haven't faded away as all that pineapple love has...

So were grapes and many other things. But no one takes grapes to a date which is, if you ask me, such a badluck

Well yeah, it is true in that sense even though it sounds funny and we can still give objective opinions of course, like I can't stand Christina Aguilera as a vocalist (lack of genuine emotion, pop singer imitating R&B stylings without the genuine vibe, mechanical lifeless and forced runs ect.), but her voice is objectively strong and powerful. It happens in sports talk too I guess when a guy may be an intolerable prick as well as succeding to the detriment of our team, but we still give him props on his talent at face value. What's really funny though is the phrase 'she's not attractive' even with the knowledge that thousands are attracted to them when in a way attractiveness is how well they can attract so they're attractive whether we're attractive to them or not so I guess the correct term would be 'I'm not attracted to her'. But from my eyes it may seem like a fact that Paris Hilton isn't good looking, but a lot of guys would buy her a drink if she came to a bar anyway, so there you are I guess . And with the VSFS thing, yeah...one thing about it though is its impressive that they can bridge the big gap that's been forged between fashion shows and the mainstream it seems.

It's the same with beauty - I don't think it's quantifiable. Sure, scientists are forever trying to create the "perfect" face via symmetry or whatever

(By the way: it's NOT Adriana! No matter how many times you tell me it is...)

but I guess we're affected by much more than simple angles and measurements. Cultural morés, personal history and any kind of accumulated predilection and kink must come into play (plus anything about our parents that Freud et al want to chuck in!). And your point about Paris Hilton is well made, we all have these chinks in our 'taste' armour - not that she's mine - and we can be seduced by glamour. And sometimes we even find ourselves chatting up a lady so completely out of our normal parameters that it even confuses us!