TheBaronOfFratton

^Inguna was probably my favourite model in the immediate years prior to me joining BZ - along with Natasha Poly actually. She seemed to 'slow down' around 2008 and so I didn't have much to contribute to her thread - and then she retired after she became pregnant. She's doing a few things now again (J.Crew mainly) and remains in my affections - I did still put her in my "King For A day" all-time VS list or whatever it is you called it on that thread you made? Previous to her it was Anouck Lepere, Susan Eldridge and Devon Aoki - my affection for models stretches waaay back!

Magdalena occupies one of those lofty Ladies-In-Waiting position to the Queen, alongside erstwhile favourites Lais Navarro, and Nozomi Sasaki. I'm a big, big fan of hers - just with Behati I seem to have a passion!

^I have little interest in the personal lives of models, outside of anything that affects their career (like a pregnancy for example). Unfortunately Jamie Strachan (the boyfriend) appears in a lot of Behati editorials - it is sweet, but I don't want to see it! I prefer an anonymous male model in which to imagine it is me instead!!!

"Ladies in waiting" . Yeah, I figured you had little interrest in the personal lives too. I just avoided some threads since many female fans seem pretty fond of it . What's really funny is when a female member will introduce you to a model and then randomly post a boyfriend pic and be like, "OMG Joe, he's like 135 years old" or "aren't they cute Joe?" . Of course that's strange to me on many levels.

1. "Cute" Hello, I have a penis .

2. There are some models I like such as Sasha P. who I'm not even attracted to, but I still don't come to the thread to look at boyfriend pics. I'm not even saying not to post them if that's what you want, just don't pitch them to me . Actually, I'm not overly crazy about any kindof candids unless its her with a friend that's equally hot . I prefer only candids that are backstage to a show, for the sake of being an example of natural beauty or personality all of which I prefer just the model alone in it .

And I must say that Behati is a real jewel amongst the models... I told it several times. And thank you B for showing her to me... I really fell in love.

LOL same here Jennka. I never payed much attention to her until i stumbled upon Baron's page and noticed her in all her splendor. She grew on me ever since that

point many moons ago and now she is up there as one of my favs.

Well, Layla, this has happened to me quite often, except I was the one who grew tired of my best friend or girlfriend first. Basically, a while, we get tired of each other so doing things together was no longer as worthwhile and mutually beneficial. What makes a relationship good is the new and exciting, and once that's drained out then maintaining all of it becomes more and more of a responsibility rather than a treat. You start wanting to experience new people and new modes of thought, and the old best friend starts become restrictive and nonconducting to that aim. I think it's better to cut it off before people get hurt even further.

I am the type that is strongly inclined to value and prefer intense, deep best friendships but I know that even the most vigorous ones tend to drain out after two years. Then there's the other type of friendship, which is mere association and much inferior to brotherhood or having a lover. It's easy to maintain compared to the former. And modern life & adult responsibilities don't give much space for depth and frequency of contact.

I would say that the best friendships and relationships require one to actually 'settle' down not only in geographical terms but also psychological ones. If you're changing your person and experiencing a paradigm shift in values and habits every two years...then you're probably not suited for something like that.

Sometimes I feel that many people, if not most- don't have or even never had any best friends. They are nomads, so to speak..many just use their associations for social climbing or entertainment. There's not much love entailed in that.

I see... as for me, I'm more in need to still be friends with some people, but when you see your efforts are not appreciated, or you see that the relationship between you and a friend is not as strong as it used to be... it just makes me wonder whether you should just give up or is there something wrong with me especially that I'm not in this stage of my life when I see 'everyone' getting married/having kids.

Baron I read your reply to my post about reasons for liking certain models last night. And although as i was reading it i was constructing a reply in my head I decided to leave it for today as it was late. Now for the life of me i can't remember a single thing I had to say to you

In saying that though it must be said. Never thought Miranda was or could be viewed in such negative way Especially as in my mind she is utterly delightful and lovable Next few interviews i watch of her though i'll have to see if i can see where you're coming from I remember throughtout most of my teenage years and early 20s i was totally in love with Kylie. (Still am to an extent ) Thought she was just lovely. I see a lot of Kylie in Miranda. Both see to have that happy go lucky loving nature. Think thats what attracted me to Miranda more then any other.... Sounds a little adolescent but She felt like home and what i was use to i guess

Baron, this question may come out of nowhere but... seeing from your posts that you traveled a lot, and changed your place of living quite a few times etc.... did it affect your friendships? I mean, is there any person you've stayed friends with for a long time, or your circle of the closest friends changes every few years?

I feel like I can't seem to stay friends with some of the people I used to be very good friends with, and I don't know if it's just bound to happen as you grow up?

^It's a weird thing - because I don't have that core 'group' of friends, given my lifestyle since I was a child. Rather though, I have very close friends scattered about - but it tends to be one-on-one (so to speak) or a couple from the same place.

Now I'm in the UK again I've been meeting up with my friends from university, but they are mostly married with kids and are all around the country. It's nice to go and spend long weekends with them though. Back home, my friends are more recent - and less intense. Working as a writer doesn't help either - but I have friends from various publications that I work for, plus I meet new people all the time on the flip-side of that argument...

Inevitably you lose a lot along the way though. I'm not likely to go to Australia again anytime soon, so they've all gone. And you just get used to having some people in your life for a short while (leaving aside romance) - you both appreciate the transience of it and accept it for what it is. I'm sure Nightlife will feel the same after his recent travels(?), life has a way of casting these roles for you when you need them.

Are you in need of new friends then princess? Age can have an affect - mainly to do with gaining partners and kids. Also, I like to live in the city - but when you have kids I think there's a general trend to move out, and then you can't just 'meet up'. Many of my friends have done this of late.

I see... as for me, I'm more in need to still be friends with some people, but when you see your efforts are not appreciated, or you see that the relationship between you and a friend is not as strong as it used to be... it just makes me wonder whether you should just give up or is there something wrong with me especially that I'm not in this stage of my life when I see 'everyone' getting married/having kids.

In my mind one of the hardest parts I found about traveling to be honest. It's human nature for us to build a relationship up ( whether it be platonic or romantic) with the intentions of it being long lasting. However even though we have social networking sites like facebook at hand to keep us in contact in the future. We know from the get go that this is always going to be a short term thing. Therefore making it a very unnatural way of forming a relationship with someone. And one that even today i can't quite get my head around. Even after seven months i found myself getting quite emotional departing company from my fellow traveling companions and going our separate ways. (especially the girls ) You would think with knowledge in mind that it was short term that we would protect ourselves and don't get to close but in fact it's quite the opposite. Because all we got is each other and are all in the same boat the intensity of relationships is unbelievable within minuets at times. You also have the luxury of knowing that if the other person doesn't like you, you can just leave. I found myself opening up and displaying sides to myself that I didn't even know I had. It's quite a odd thought to know there are people out there who know me better then my own mother. So to digress to my earlier point of it being unnatural. You can see why the whole "Hello" Goodbye" Hello" Goodbye concept is quite frankly, bizarre.

Have to say for a person who would rely on acceptance a great deal and get quite emotional attached to people in the past (and therefore ultimately get hurt). It has put me in good stead for the future. In fact I can confidently say that thats not an issue for me anymore

@Jennka

Haha, don't worry my darlin, you're english far exceeds most of the nation in terms of using the correct grammer

Plus you don't want to be hanging out with those kinda people. They are the kinda people who sleep with their cousins and produce kids with 7 toes and three eyes

Not to mention you feel overdressed just by smiling at them

Woooot?

no, I don´t believe you! But if I did... and if I ever be to meet such people (and not having my chainsaw anywhere near) I need to understand them so .... you need to make me a dictionary!! For the sake of my young, innocent and fully dressed life!

But I know the feeling - with years, I got more curious as to smiling on everyone like I used to

Correction: *Get to meet such people*

Yeah maybe a dictionary is needed after all

Baron, this question may come out of nowhere but... seeing from your posts that you traveled a lot, and changed your place of living quite a few times etc.... did it affect your friendships? I mean, is there any person you've stayed friends with for a long time, or your circle of the closest friends changes every few years?

I feel like I can't seem to stay friends with some of the people I used to be very good friends with, and I don't know if it's just bound to happen as you grow up?

^It's a weird thing - because I don't have that core 'group' of friends, given my lifestyle since I was a child. Rather though, I have very close friends scattered about - but it tends to be one-on-one (so to speak) or a couple from the same place.

Now I'm in the UK again I've been meeting up with my friends from university, but they are mostly married with kids and are all around the country. It's nice to go and spend long weekends with them though. Back home, my friends are more recent - and less intense. Working as a writer doesn't help either - but I have friends from various publications that I work for, plus I meet new people all the time on the flip-side of that argument...

Inevitably you lose a lot along the way though. I'm not likely to go to Australia again anytime soon, so they've all gone. And you just get used to having some people in your life for a short while (leaving aside romance) - you both appreciate the transience of it and accept it for what it is. I'm sure Nightlife will feel the same after his recent travels(?), life has a way of casting these roles for you when you need them.

Are you in need of new friends then princess? Age can have an affect - mainly to do with gaining partners and kids. Also, I like to live in the city - but when you have kids I think there's a general trend to move out, and then you can't just 'meet up'. Many of my friends have done this of late.

I see... as for me, I'm more in need to still be friends with some people, but when you see your efforts are not appreciated, or you see that the relationship between you and a friend is not as strong as it used to be... it just makes me wonder whether you should just give up or is there something wrong with me especially that I'm not in this stage of my life when I see 'everyone' getting married/having kids.

I think I know this one, Lay... I´ve been close friends to some people who now do not even bother to pick up the phone when I call them. Some of them do that because I told them what I thought of them and some of the others do that because the previous ones told them not to pick it up, lol.

What more to say... if someone is not bothered, you really should not worry about it. People come and go, and if there is no interest on their side, they´re not worth it

Layla Seriously there are so many people here who would love to have the opportunity to be graced with your wonderful presence (myself included ) If this particular person can't be bothed with you then as Jennka says they an't worth it Nothing wrong with you at all my darlin Your side of the street is as clean as a whistle

I would say that the best friendships and relationships require one to actually 'settle' down not only in geographical terms but also psychological ones. If you're changing your person and experiencing a paradigm shift in values and habits every two years...then you're probably not suited for something like that.

Agreed! I have a friend in my life that i consider a best friend who i have know for the best part of 18 years. (now 25) I do feel very lucky to have such a friendship as i am well aware how fleeting friendships can be. Interesting use of the word "settled" never really thought of it in that way. But now that you mention it I can totally see where you're coming from. I feel very settled in that particular friendship. Although after 18 years i probably should be We have had extensive breaks of contact with each other and hate to use the cliche but we are back were we left off when we do reconnect.

I do feel since the introduction of social networking sites like facebook. It makes sincere and long lasting friendships harder to come by. Although facebook makes it easy to stay connected with your friends. I do feel that it takes away that depth of connection and again sincerity that humans yarn for in life. We can simply write on someone's wall and in doing so gives out a false pretense that we are maintaing our friendship. When in fact it's doing the exact opposite. I make it a habit to never give out information about what i am doing in life on Facebook. (through statuses) If they want to know what i am up too they gonna have to use other means. You soon become aware of those 100s of friends you have on facebook who are your friends and who aren't. Quite frankly if it wasn't for the fact I have a lot of people i would like to stay in contact with who live abroad I would delete my account alltogether.

And I must say that Behati is a real jewel amongst the models... I told it several times. And thank you B for showing her to me... I really fell in love.

LOL same here Jennka. I never payed much attention to her until i stumbled upon Baron's page and noticed her in all her splendor. She grew on me ever since that

point many moons ago and now she is up there as one of my favs.

"Ladies in waiting" . Yeah, I figured you had little interrest in the personal lives too. I just avoided some threads since many female fans seem pretty fond of it . What's really funny is when a female member will introduce you to a model and then randomly post a boyfriend pic and be like, "OMG Joe, he's like 135 years old" or "aren't they cute Joe?" . Of course that's strange to me on many levels.

1. "Cute" Hello, I have a penis .

2. There are some models I like such as Sasha P. who I'm not even attracted to, but I still don't come to the thread to look at boyfriend pics. I'm not even saying not to post them if that's what you want, just don't pitch them to me . Actually, I'm not overly crazy about any kindof candids unless its her with a friend that's equally hot . I prefer only candids that are backstage to a show, for the sake of being an example of natural beauty or personality all of which I prefer just the model alone in it .

Rosie's thread has pretty much become a series of candids of her going in and out of doors, or walking along the street with her boyfriend wearing sunglasses...

Baron I read your reply to my post about reasons for liking certain models last night. And although as i was reading it i was constructing a reply in my head I decided to leave it for today as it was late. Now for the life of me i can't remember a single thing I had to say to you

In saying that though it must be said. Never thought Miranda was or could be viewed in such negative way Especially as in my mind she is utterly delightful and lovable Next few interviews i watch of her though i'll have to see if i can see where you're coming from I remember throughtout most of my teenage years and early 20s i was totally in love with Kylie. (Still am to an extent ) Thought she was just lovely. I see a lot of Kylie in Miranda. Both see to have that happy go lucky loving nature. Think thats what attracted me to Miranda more then any other.... Sounds a little adolescent but She felt like home and what i was use to i guess

First of all, I didn't know my post about friendship would be followed and replied to by all of you, this thread is awesome.

I see... as for me, I'm more in need to still be friends with some people, but when you see your efforts are not appreciated, or you see that the relationship between you and a friend is not as strong as it used to be... it just makes me wonder whether you should just give up or is there something wrong with me especially that I'm not in this stage of my life when I see 'everyone' getting married/having kids.

^I'm sorry to hear that. Personally, I find that as (maybe because) I don't see my close friends from one year to the next we then spend an intense few days together and it's really easy and like we've never been apart- and then we part again without growing complacent or bored with each other's company...

I suppose I don't have that many relationships where I see someone every day (or near enough).

I've just realised, whilst typing this, that my love-life is pretty damn similar!!!

Hmm but what about friends you don't see frequently anymore and it doesn't work out? I mean, of course it depends on the effort both sides put, but sometimes you'd think that breaks in not seeing each other could help, at least that you could talk for hours so when after some time the awkward pause happens... yeah

I think I know this one, Lay... I´ve been close friends to some people who now do not even bother to pick up the phone when I call them. Some of them do that because I told them what I thought of them and some of the others do that because the previous ones told them not to pick it up, lol.

What more to say... if someone is not bothered, you really should not worry about it. People come and go, and if there is no interest on their side, they´re not worth it

'Some of them do that because I told them what I thought of them' was it really THAT harsh or you just felt like not keeping in touch with some of these people and wanted to say once and or all why? but the others sound

Probably, it's just... sometimes it seems like both sides want the same thing and then it turns out that the intentions seem to differ

Well, Layla, this has happened to me quite often, except I was the one who grew tired of my best friend or girlfriend first. Basically, a while, we get tired of each other so doing things together was no longer as worthwhile and mutually beneficial. What makes a relationship good is the new and exciting, and once that's drained out then maintaining all of it becomes more and more of a responsibility rather than a treat. You start wanting to experience new people and new modes of thought, and the old best friend starts become restrictive and nonconducting to that aim. I think it's better to cut it off before people get hurt even further.

I am the type that is strongly inclined to value and prefer intense, deep best friendships but I know that even the most vigorous ones tend to drain out after two years. Then there's the other type of friendship, which is mere association and much inferior to brotherhood or having a lover. It's easy to maintain compared to the former. And modern life & adult responsibilities don't give much space for depth and frequency of contact.

I would say that the best friendships and relationships require one to actually 'settle' down not only in geographical terms but also psychological ones. If you're changing your person and experiencing a paradigm shift in values and habits every two years...then you're probably not suited for something like that.

Sometimes I feel that many people, if not most- don't have or even never had any best friends. They are nomads, so to speak..many just use their associations for social climbing or entertainment. There's not much love entailed in that.

These 'nomads' people... would you qualify to them people who say they have lots of friends yet most of them are more like aquainatnces/colleagues?

I see a lot of Kylie in Miranda.

They are both Australian

Layla Seriously there are so many people here who would love to have the opportunity to be graced with your wonderful presence (myself included ) If this particular person can't be bothed with you then as Jennka says they an't worth it Nothing wrong with you at all my darlin Your side of the street is as clean as a whistle

I do feel since the introduction of social networking sites like facebook. It makes sincere and long lasting friendships harder to come by. Although facebook makes it easy to stay connected with your friends. I do feel that it takes away that depth of connection and again sincerity that humans yarn for in life. We can simply write on someone's wall and in doing so gives out a false pretense that we are maintaing our friendship. When in fact it's doing the exact opposite. I make it a habit to never give out information about what i am doing in life on Facebook. (through statuses) If they want to know what i am up too they gonna have to use other means. You soon become aware of those 100s of friends you have on facebook who are your friends and who aren't. Quite frankly if it wasn't for the fact I have a lot of people i would like to stay in contact with who live abroad I would delete my account alltogether.

As for facebook, I've never really felt that it's a site for friends only? I mean, sometimes I feel 'forced' to add somebody which is just silly. I understand adding/being added by your classmate, but for example other people from your school you know from seeing but don't even talk to or have classes together is another thing. I remember that at the end of high school that one girl added me, so I didn't accept her invite, she sent it again so I felt like I need to accept her or maybe it was at the 3rd time? anyway, she was one of these annoying facebookers who have over 500+ friends (I mean, 'friends' ) and change their relationship status every 1 or 2 weeks and would write hearts in her statuses, obviously proclaiming her big love and obviously to a different guy each time. Finally I decided to delete her after some time, I wonder if she even noticed that. In the span of the last few months, about 5 other people deleted me from their friends list, even though they were the ones adding me, even though we talked maximum 2 times and just had mutual friends.

Some people add other on facebook like crazy

Rosie's thread has pretty much become a series of candids of her going in and out of doors, or walking along the street with her boyfriend wearing sunglasses...

Well, usually these are pics of her vacationing in a bikini, I don't know what's there to complain about oh, I know-Jamie

^And please don't get me wrong about Miranda - I didn't mean it to come across particularly negatively. I've no doubt she's "delightful", I just find her personality a little lacking. She is just fond of trite homilies, and seems a little too strait-laced for my tastes - like I said "boring" and "earnest", but not horrible in anyway... Plus, a woman who lists 'nutrition' as a hobby is not the woman for me!

Is she really all about 'green living', in a way that she uses only all things recycle-able To be honest I think my liking for Miranda is (slowly) growing, but I know nothing about her personality really, so maybe that's why

I use my mobile: I really dislike instant messengers for socializing. It's fine for information exchange but you miss all the tacit observations and other nuances that are essential.

Agreed! I have a friend in my life that i consider a best friend who i have know for the best part of 18 years. (now 25) I do feel very lucky to have such a friendship as i am well aware how fleeting friendships can be. Interesting use of the word "settled" never really thought of it in that way. But now that you mention it I can totally see where you're coming from. I feel very settled in that particular friendship. Although after 18 years i probably should be We have had extensive breaks of contact with each other and hate to use the cliche but we are back were we left off when we do reconnect.

I do feel since the introduction of social networking sites like facebook. It makes sincere and long lasting friendships harder to come by. Although facebook makes it easy to stay connected with your friends. I do feel that it takes away that depth of connection and again sincerity that humans yarn for in life. We can simply write on someone's wall and in doing so gives out a false pretense that we are maintaing our friendship. When in fact it's doing the exact opposite. I make it a habit to never give out information about what i am doing in life on Facebook. (through statuses) If they want to know what i am up too they gonna have to use other means. You soon become aware of those 100s of friends you have on facebook who are your friends and who aren't. Quite frankly if it wasn't for the fact I have a lot of people i would like to stay in contact with who live abroad I would delete my account alltogether.

^And please don't get me wrong about Miranda - I didn't mean it to come across particularly negatively. I've no doubt she's "delightful", I just find her personality a little lacking. She is just fond of trite homilies, and seems a little too strait-laced for my tastes - like I said "boring" and "earnest", but not horrible in anyway... Plus, a woman who lists 'nutrition' as a hobby is not the woman for me!

Would she be the type of person for a fantasy marriage? Like how Vanessa called C. C. her husband and so forth..

Freja resonates with me because I had that 'special' feeling when I first ran across her thread here and on TFS. If I met her I'd be attracted to her immediately. It's Primordial, I know.

First of all, I didn't know my post about friendship would be followed and replied to by all of you, this thread is awesome.

Hmm but what about friends you don't see frequently anymore and it doesn't work out? I mean, of course it depends on the effort both sides put, but sometimes you'd think that breaks in not seeing each other could help, at least that you could talk for hours so when after some time the awkward pause happens... yeah

^And please don't get me wrong about Miranda - I didn't mean it to come across particularly negatively. I've no doubt she's "delightful", I just find her personality a little lacking. She is just fond of trite homilies, and seems a little too strait-laced for my tastes - like I said "boring" and "earnest", but not horrible in anyway... Plus, a woman who lists 'nutrition' as a hobby is not the woman for me!

Would she be the type of person for a fantasy marriage? Like how Vanessa called C. C. her husband and so forth..

^I presume you're asking that question to Nightlife? As for me to marry such a woman would be rather counterintuitive wouldn't it?!!

Both I suppose. Really? Would you really think that it'll work?

It is unfortunate, but the fact is I don't think that Freja and I have much in common

^I presume you're asking that question to Nightlife? As for me to marry such a woman would be rather counterintuitive wouldn't it?!!

Both I suppose. Really? Would you really think that it'll work?

It is unfortunate, but the fact is I don't think that Freja and I have much in common

Well if you're gonna start analyze what the possible outcome would be, does that not negate the "fantasy" element?

So yeah in a fantasy world. Yes for sure There are alot of attributes i see in Miranda that I try to look for in women I really can't give a profound answer to that one

I think I'm growing jealous of Ms. Kerr....Baron.

Well if you're gonna start analyze what the possible outcome would be, does that not negate the "fantasy" element?

So yeah in a fantasy world. Yes for sure There are alot of attributes i see in Miranda that I try to look for in women I really can't give a profound answer to that one

I wouldn't think so, as most of it is fantasy. But it's "Based on a true story" and that sort of thing so initial assumptions could initiate or suspend such a speculation. What attributes?

Freja might as be an enigma wrapped inside of an enigma to me, and that's part of her charm. I wouldn't have much to work with in the first place :-p

I think I'm growing jealous of Ms. Kerr....Baron.

Here maybe i can help you with that....

ha

no thanks, I haven't been a Kerr fan for years xD I was big on her when she first started.

And I must say that Behati is a real jewel amongst the models... I told it several times. And thank you B for showing her to me... I really fell in love.

LOL same here Jennka. I never payed much attention to her until i stumbled upon Baron's page and noticed her in all her splendor. She grew on me ever since that

point many moons ago and now she is up there as one of my favs.

^I guess then, in a sense, my work here is done...

You deserve a medal!

Correction: *Get to meet such people*

Yeah maybe a dictionary is needed after all

You.... see? I´m so lost in translation!!

Layla Seriously there are so many people here who would love to have the opportunity to be graced with your wonderful presence (myself included ) If this particular person can't be bothed with you then as Jennka says they an't worth it Nothing wrong with you at all my darlin Your side of the street is as clean as a whistle

I´d love to meet Lay