Joe > Average

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Oh, yeah, I agree with that Joe.

A large segment of men don't like the standardized weights of Runway models.

@ that gif

Yeah, that is true. On the flip side though, there's so many models that there's something for almost everyone, but most outsiders just don't know it and have a predetermined idea of what a model looks like based on what's widely prevalent. To be honest, I started off just a general photography and makeup art fan and figured D list actresses were way better looking, but I had no idea there were as many good looking models as there are . There are some places where women are mostly short that have a lot of beautiful women that I wish had more models, but still, there seems to be tons of beautiful models anyway.

The following is a strange irony in light of the previous subject, but its what I would have already posted if my pictures hadn't been deleted. I decided not to replace them and decided to just lazily put a few video links for some instead . Anyway...Some had either just a little booty or just slightly too much cleavage to make the list, but here it goes.

10. AnaBB - one of my favorite faces of all time and aside from the circles around her eyes, I love everything about it. I'll admit, her body would probably be average if she weren't tall as she has no hips, but one of my favorite torso and legs combos of all time though.

9. Anne V - as a side note she's pretty versatile, but one thing I find strange about her is that she's around her mid-20s and it seems like I've known of her forever somehow. Anyway, never been her biggest fan, but I really like her size. I started to give the spot to AnaBB for her super long, healthy legs, but gave Anne the nod since she also has healthily sized legs and more hips.

8. Inguna Butane - a pretty much flawless face as a side note, though not my ideal size and the previous entry is more consistant in my liking, I gave her a slight edge based on her at her biggest and some of the nicest hips in modeling.

7. Alyssah Miller - of course, I became a fan originally for her face and sensuality and had never even seen her body for awhile, but like Josie (who is disqualified for medium sized T&A) she's a great example of a small size that looks natural. She has a lovely shape, nice legs, lovely small bosom and a flat, yet soft stomach.

6. Maryna Linchuck - though the contrast of her serious expressions and playful personality combined with her modeling versatility are my favorite of her charms, I first noticed her body when she brought that weird yellow VSFS outfit to life and thus cemented her place in the best no T&A body group. She has nice legs, nice hips and her abs are toned, but still feminine.

5. Rianne Ten Haken - though her bone structure isn't my favorite I really like her face too as a side note. With her face and sensuality, being tall would have been enough for her to make it as a model, but her body's above average too.

4. Esti Ginzburg - I'm not as crazy about her face as some are, though her hair is really nice. As to the subject at hand, this is usually more of my preferred general size at least compared to the average model. Her legs aren't long by model standard, but I love the shape and she has amazing hips as well.

3. Tori Praver - she's pretty and has nice hair as a side note, but among current models, Tori to me is the epitme of what a natural slim is. Not only is she not slim because of starving herself, but I don't even know whether she changed her lifestyle at all when she became a model. She just appears to be her natural size and probably maintains it from surfing or vollyball rather than crackers and cigarettes. She also has one of my favorite torsos as well as some of my favorite legs.

2. Cintia Dicker - though 1.5D or 2D, an incredibly lovely torso and some of the most amazing hips I've ever seen. She has one of the best small bosoms as is evident by the grape laying thing and very nice legs too.

1. Julie Henderson - as a side note, not a fan of her in general, but as to the subject at hand, I love the combinatin of her tallness, torso and hips. Her arms and shoulders also look athletic but feminine at the same time and she has some of my favorite legs as well.

By nature, glamour is much more concerned with appealing to the average man than fashion is. I can't speak for all countries, but for America and Mexico, I'd wager a resounding, definite yes for glamour models over high fashion models as a whole and celebs over any kind of model group.

For glamour vs. commercial models on the other hand, its hard to compare because glamour modeling is so much more broad and diverse (most countries and even regions of some countries have their own brand of it). Glamour has more genres than I can keep up with. Its also complicated to compare commercial to glamour because many commercial models do some glamour and some glamour models do some fashion. The difference isn't as much about how the women look as the definitions of the job. What distinguishes glamour in the purest sense is that the woman is the total focus of the shoots without regard for the clothes or designers. For example, all Maxim modeling is glamour even if Sasha P were doing it because the woman is 100% of the emphasis and if that woman above were advertising that brand of bra it would be fashion. In other words, the terms are independant variables opposed to there being a definitive look. In the 90s, they were probably closer in looks because the average fashion model was probably a dress size 6-8 and that went down to probably 2-4 at some point whereas glamour model's size stayed the same. Also, neither as a whole are household names anymore, so its hard to even theorize a general consensus.

Men as a whole also seem highly prone to obsess over what's in their face in the mainstream probably even more than women. For example, if Nina Angdal were in Transformers 4, she'd become an overnight sensation on the male forums. On fashion forums getting a lot of work or being in VS or SI seems to create overnight fandom, but it seems more shortlived by comparisson. Not that they represent the men of the world in general, but on all of the male dominated versions of sites like this, glamour models and celebs both are much more popular than fashion models. Few if any high fashion models have threads and the most popular fashion models there are generally the likes of Bar, Marisa, Kate, Tyra ect. who are more the size of glamour models. Models who date famous actors or are in popular movies become suddenly popular too. They seem very celeb crazy over there too as even Snooki, Amanda Bynes and Miley Cyrus have strong followings over there which leads me to believe that if some of the fashion models they don't know were on a reality show instead they'd be crazy about them too .

This is very hard to tell, I agree. But taking Bar, Marisa, Kate and Tyra... they have two things in common - bigger boobs and publicity.

What does it tell?

People (men) in generally aren´t very "educated" in fashion, they all think that fashion models look like sticks without any meat on them... so that´s maybe why they seem to be inclined to the glamour models or commercial or celebrities. Still... I have many men friends that use to tell they like women to have more meat on them, BUT when they see a thin women, they ALL tend to like her, but say "She would not go for me, she is "another class" ". So maybe that´s why, who knows... but if you ask me, it´s all about how you act. I mean, how the woman acts, she can be ANY size, but if she acts like a star, or if she acts like an average person to be fun with, it doesn´t really matter how you look like.

And... finally, if you fell in love with a person, it doesn´t really matter how big her boobs are or how thin or thick she is. But that, naturally, goes for the women in your real life, not for models you will (most likely) never meet.

Nice list

Julie's body is absolutely bangin'. I suppose her downfall is her Superman jawline lack of charisma.. I just don't find anything remotely interesting in her photos, despite the aforementioned bangin' body

This is very hard to tell, I agree. But taking Bar, Marisa, Kate and Tyra... they have two things in common - bigger boobs and publicity.

What does it tell?

People (men) in generally aren´t very "educated" in fashion, they all think that fashion models look like sticks without any meat on them... so that´s maybe why they seem to be inclined to the glamour models or commercial or celebrities. Still... I have many men friends that use to tell they like women to have more meat on them, BUT when they see a thin women, they ALL tend to like her, but say "She would not go for me, she is "another class" ". So maybe that´s why, who knows... but if you ask me, it´s all about how you act. I mean, how the woman acts, she can be ANY size, but if she acts like a star, or if she acts like an average person to be fun with, it doesn´t really matter how you look like.

And... finally, if you fell in love with a person, it doesn´t really matter how big her boobs are or how thin or thick she is. But that, naturally, goes for the women in your real life, not for models you will (most likely) never meet.

Yeah, most people definitely aren't very educated in fashion. Of course, women like clothes a lot more too and then in different places of the world, models are maybe more well known than others. There's definitely a lot of countries where models are more well known then they are here. Maybe since so many are European, they may be more well known over there as not many young native Europeans are that well known over here to my knowledge. Many assume what they see on the news, some article about weight or in commercials prepresents the whole when (based on the actresses they think are so amazing) they would be surprised how many models they would like. If anything, the internet will probably be model's way back to general visibility.

Of course, as we all know, fashion doesn't mold its trends with any pretense of appealing to the general public, so its only logical for an outsider to assume they don't have their best interrests at heart. I'm sure I'd find a couple laughs in a romantic comedy if I gave it the chance, but there's that general prejudice I guess. Of course, I originally assumed since the powers that be were women and gay men that they probably didn't have my interrests at heart, but I found quite a bit when I got into it. Even with just looks, tastes vary widely of course those guy sites are a very small sample of men just like the fashion sites are a small sample of women. However, its generally marketers that seek to reduce groups to the lowest common denominator to increase their marketing strategies.

As to how people act, of course on the flip side, if I dislike a person's personality, then their looks don't matter to me. I'm somewhat overly left brained, so if someone asked me if they were attractive I'd say yes and if it was a poll or something I'd be fair. Actually, they don't even have to be a bad person, but I wouldn't even try to date a woman I didn't think there could be a real connection with regardless of how she looked. I don't mind appreciating looks only if that's all I know of the person though as it is in most model's case. We really don't know much of anything about most of the models we like in any case. I may not meet most of them, but may not even meet a lot of general women walking down the street, but beauty's everywhere to be enjoyed until its tainted by a bad personality.

As to the men forums, I think more even than curves, publicity is definitely the most common denominator though. There's somewhat of a chicken or egg aspect in that curvier models (especially if they're height just barely got them in the door) often do more glamour work because they are discriminated against in runway at times. Glamour work is marketed to men more, but a skinny woman doing glamour work are still more well known to men than a curvy woman that do only high fashion work. One could even speculate that the glamour industry has been indirectly helped by the fashion industry discriminating against shorter women in general. I don't see much correlation between celeb body type and their popularity and those skinnier models like Miranda with famous men are just as popular as the curvy ones.

Though the celeb fever definitely makes me ashamed of my species, one thing about the male side by comparisson is the men to me seem to be less likely to just abandon a model or celeb they like on a whim the way some women do. You're probably more left brained though, so you seem to stick with the ones you like the same way men usually do. Sorry, didn't mean to say all that .

Nice list

Julie's body is absolutely bangin'. I suppose her downfall is her Superman jawline lack of charisma.. I just don't find anything remotely interesting in her photos, despite the aforementioned bangin' body

Yeah, I didn't want to say it, but the combination of long broad bone structure, lack of charisma and uninspired work make her not a favorite of mine but her body is definitely a nice combination of amazonian, feminine and athletic at the same time. Glad you liked the list though .

10. AnaBB -

9. Anne V -

6. Maryna Linchuck -

2. Cintia Dicker

1. Julie Henderson -

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Julia Stegner

I like all six bodies a lot, but I'm not a fan of Cintia's or Julie's face ..

You know- with charisma and personality or whatever.... when I scroll through BZ I just 'insert' my own version of what they 'should' be like. It's just that a lot of the glamorous or eccentric settings used in photo shoots rarely manage to convince me that the model herself has been and will continue to be part of it.

So a while back I ran across a photoshoot of Lara Stone and her parents in their back yard and I found it totally convincing!!! (except the 'I'm putting on makeup to visit mom & dad part..)

Holy crap, it just hit me who Julie reminds me of..

Holy crap, it just hit me who Julie reminds me of..

Gah!

Lily Donaldson looks like Slim Shady, BTW...

Snowhite has seven male dwarf friends .. right

Cinderella she's a blonde, she's a whore

Belle she's french, she's a whore

Can we talk about Belle having sex with an animal? Isn't that bestiality? does everyone just ignore that?

Now a real Russian can be spotted a mile away, he don't even have to open his mouth. He either be wearin a big hat with a dead possum around it... a big ass Communist symbol.. or he's just holding a big bottle of Vodka! The only Russian's that ain't dressed like this are spies which is the other 50%

Men as a whole also seem highly prone to obsess over what's in their face in the mainstream probably even more than women. For example, if Nina Angdal were in Transformers 4, she'd become an overnight sensation on the male forums.

8. Inguna Butane - a pretty much flawless face as a side note, though not my ideal size and the previous entry is more consistant in my liking, I gave her a slight edge based on her at her biggest and some of the nicest hips in modeling.

People (men) in generally aren´t very "educated" in fashion, they all think that fashion models look like sticks without any meat on them... so that´s maybe why they seem to be inclined to the glamour models or commercial or celebrities. Still... I have many men friends that use to tell they like women to have more meat on them, BUT when they see a thin women, they ALL tend to like her, but say "She would not go for me, she is "another class" ". So maybe that´s why, who knows... but if you ask me, it´s all about how you act. I mean, how the woman acts, she can be ANY size, but if she acts like a star, or if she acts like an average person to be fun with, it doesn´t really matter how you look like.

Yeah, most people definitely aren't very educated in fashion. Of course, women like clothes a lot more too and then in different places of the world, models are maybe more well known than others. There's definitely a lot of countries where models are more well known then they are here. Maybe since so many are European, they may be more well known over there as not many young native Europeans are that well known over here to my knowledge. Many assume what they see on the news, some article about weight or in commercials prepresents the whole when (based on the actresses they think are so amazing) they would be surprised how many models they would like. If anything, the internet will probably be model's way back to general visibility.

Of course, as we all know, fashion doesn't mold its trends with any pretense of appealing to the general public, so its only logical for an outsider to assume they don't have their best interrests at heart. I'm sure I'd find a couple laughs in a romantic comedy if I gave it the chance, but there's that general prejudice I guess. Of course, I originally assumed since the powers that be were women and gay men that they probably didn't have my interrests at heart, but I found quite a bit when I got into it. Even with just looks, tastes vary widely of course those guy sites are a very small sample of men just like the fashion sites are a small sample of women. However, its generally marketers that seek to reduce groups to the lowest common denominator to increase their marketing strategies.

But we're out there - there is hope:

This is going to sound kind of bad, but there's also a socioeconomic "Class" divide working on here w/ Runway models vs. Glamour models/hollywood celebrities. Runway models look more like upper class people, eat like upper class people, and have upper class tastes & clothes.

This is very hard to tell, I agree. But taking Bar, Marisa, Kate and Tyra... they have two things in common - bigger boobs and publicity.

What does it tell?

People (men) in generally aren´t very "educated" in fashion, they all think that fashion models look like sticks without any meat on them... so that´s maybe why they seem to be inclined to the glamour models or commercial or celebrities. Still... I have many men friends that use to tell they like women to have more meat on them, BUT when they see a thin women, they ALL tend to like her, but say "She would not go for me, she is "another class" ". So maybe that´s why, who knows... but if you ask me, it´s all about how you act. I mean, how the woman acts, she can be ANY size, but if she acts like a star, or if she acts like an average person to be fun with, it doesn´t really matter how you look like.

And... finally, if you fell in love with a person, it doesn´t really matter how big her boobs are or how thin or thick she is. But that, naturally, goes for the women in your real life, not for models you will (most likely) never meet.

^

Bar - Money

Marisa - Money

Kate - LOTS of money

Tyra - Moneyish (Private school in LA isn't cheap o.O)

If you do your research most of the high-fashion models came from moderate to severe poverty. Half started modeling at a young age in hopes of pulling their parents out of financial debt.

And personally I don't think that the majority of HF models look like they have money. Commercial models have meat on them, that's a sign of wealth in itself. Throughout history a fuller woman meant you were eating... which has been a calling card for wealth. The skinner you were, the less you were eating.

Hey Pretty,

I know! Few fathers from an east coast upper class family would ever want to send their girls into modeling. I don't consider the origins of the models themselves (it is of a high probability, for instance, that E-European models aren't from wealthy backgrounds), ....but regardless of the model's actual origin, the ones I see here look more like modern upper class women- whether rich women, academic women, or corporate businesswomen- than middle class women (in and around New York, in general). They have the symmetrical faces and the type of diet (vegetables, lean proteins, fats, very little carbs) that would secure that socially acceptable bodyweight. There are few overweight professional women or society ladies in general.

Then there's the genetic element of old money and the upper middle class. I can separate an upper class German, American, Indian, or East Asian out of a crowd fairly easily. I can pluck out the women from long-lived working class backgrounds, too.

My great-grandfather is old money and both my parents are from slightly affluent professional families.

^ Pretty uncomfortable comment for me to make :-/

^

Bar - Money

Marisa - Money

Kate - LOTS of money

Tyra - Moneyish (Private school in LA isn't cheap o.O)

If you do your research most of the high-fashion models came from moderate to severe poverty. Half started modeling at a young age in hopes of pulling their parents out of financial debt.

And personally I don't think that the majority of HF models look like they have money. Commercial models have meat on them, that's a sign of wealth in itself. Throughout history a fuller woman meant you were eating... which has been a calling card for wealth. The skinner you were, the less you were eating.

&

Julia Stegner

I like all six bodies a lot, but I'm not a fan of Cintia's or Julie's face ..

You know- with charisma and personality or whatever.... when I scroll through BZ I just 'insert' my own version of what they 'should' be like. It's just that a lot of the glamorous or eccentric settings used in photo shoots rarely manage to convince me that the model herself has been and will continue to be part of it.

So a while back I ran across a photoshoot of Lara Stone and her parents in their back yard and I found it totally convincing!!! (except the 'I'm putting on makeup to visit mom & dad part..)

http://s1.postimage.org/52bsxomju/25well_lara_custom5.jpg

Yeah, I agree of course with Julia's face of course and though I never thought of Cintia as an amazing beauty, her voice, hair, runway presence and intangible kindof charm make her cute to me somehow. I didn't expect Lara to be the type to wear makeup on her own time in any case .

Holy crap, it just hit me who Julie reminds me of..

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/f...ie_travolta.jpg

Oh, my :shock: ... wow ...

Snowhite has seven male dwarf friends .. right

Cinderella she's a blonde, she's a whore

Belle she's french, she's a whore

Can we talk about Belle having sex with an animal? Isn't that bestiality? does everyone just ignore that?

Now a real Russian can be spotted a mile away, he don't even have to open his mouth. He either be wearin a big hat with a dead possum around it... a big ass Communist symbol.. or he's just holding a big bottle of Vodka! The only Russian's that ain't dressed like this are spies which is the other 50%

LOL , I must admit, I learned some good lessons from Disney, but still funny anyway . Good to see shirtless hat WOW guy at it again too .

^Absolutely! Then she'd rank 'Top 10' in the teenage wank-lists Maxim/FHM polls, be all over zimbio and all those sites that like to show you women coming out of doors and taking their dogs for a walk, and (inevitably) suffer a backlash here with members saying she'd sold out, can't act anyways, and has a massive ugly horse-face... <_<

LOL, 'teenage wank-lists' all that's true though .

^Well, this is probably the wrong forum for this discussion anyway. Us men here are a cut-above the knuckle-scraping neanderthals out there - whose ideal partner is still what a 13-year old boy has furtively imagined, via soft-core porn and 'babelists', and crudely drawn on the inside cover of his school books to get off on during monday morning's double-geography period.

But we're out there - there is hope:

"Straight men." Fabulous!

LOL , I laughed out loud at the 'knuclle-scraping neanderthal' part , well the rest of the illustration too.

Tyra - Moneyish (Private school in LA isn't cheap o.O)

^

Bar - Money

Marisa - Money

Kate - LOTS of money

Tyra - Moneyish (Private school in LA isn't cheap o.O)

If you do your research most of the high-fashion models came from moderate to severe poverty. Half started modeling at a young age in hopes of pulling their parents out of financial debt.

And personally I don't think that the majority of HF models look like they have money. Commercial models have meat on them, that's a sign of wealth in itself. Throughout history a fuller woman meant you were eating... which has been a calling card for wealth. The skinner you were, the less you were eating.

Yeah, I usually assume commercial models had more money since there's so many more stories of high fashion models coming from poverty and all but being sold to the agencies at extremely young ages just to give the family a break. Most commercial model stories seem like modeling is something that all but happened to them rather than needing it so bad, 'I was walking in the mall and a scout saw me' seems to be the most common. 'I was surfing and a scout saw me...my friends said I was kindof hot, so I said, why not... ect.' Not to mention some of their parents had money and connections and some of their mothers were trophie wives, so they're due to turn out a hot daughter every now and then I guess. Its interresting that now fashion is so divided that we have high fashion on this side and commercial on this side when models used to do both regularly. To me that's one of the biggest problems with the industry because both seem almost incomplete somehow. The high fashion side often discriminates against women a certain size or this or that whereas the commercial side doesn't put much into editorials or do as much runway which is one of the things that makes fashion unique. They really need to come back together to me. From the perspective of class from the definition of how one carries themself, its a case by case basis of each person of course .

One thing I must say though, on the side of looks, male forums, fashion forums ect. To me, one person's tastes are as good as another. I'm not really bothered by anyones tastes for the most part. There's much I don't agree with on all sides. The thing that annoys me though is affectedness I guess. If something is what someone genuinely likes, I have no problem with it, but I wouldn't say my tastes are better than anyone elses. The key word to me is genuine though, if that's what someone genuine likes, I respect that. I just can't respect what seems to me to be celeb-fever I suppose where what you would think is 6/10 at school or work is somehow 8/10, 7/10 to 10/10 ect. because of the invisible glow of fame .

Joseph watching this may have you sanitizing your eyes when it's done. You've been warned.

Dear Japan,

Again, wtf?

Yours Sincerely,

The rest of the world.

*insert silence of the lambs reference here*

Can someone please tell me wtf is wrong with the Japanese? When we bombed the shit out of them twice did the massive radiation leaking into every orifice result in a genetic code change or something? The older generation is cool as fuck... but the newer gens scare the ever living shit out me every single time they do something.... O.O Poor Pheno lived in Japan... she'll never return... they wigged her out that badly.... nor will she eat sushi ever again cause at this one place she attempted to eat at all they did was cut a nerve in the back of the fishes neck and you were expected to eat the poor fish alive...

People (men) in generally aren´t very "educated" in fashion, they all think that fashion models look like sticks without any meat on them... so that´s maybe why they seem to be inclined to the glamour models or commercial or celebrities. Still... I have many men friends that use to tell they like women to have more meat on them, BUT when they see a thin women, they ALL tend to like her, but say "She would not go for me, she is "another class" ". So maybe that´s why, who knows... but if you ask me, it´s all about how you act. I mean, how the woman acts, she can be ANY size, but if she acts like a star, or if she acts like an average person to be fun with, it doesn´t really matter how you look like.

Yeah, most people definitely aren't very educated in fashion. Of course, women like clothes a lot more too and then in different places of the world, models are maybe more well known than others. There's definitely a lot of countries where models are more well known then they are here. Maybe since so many are European, they may be more well known over there as not many young native Europeans are that well known over here to my knowledge. Many assume what they see on the news, some article about weight or in commercials prepresents the whole when (based on the actresses they think are so amazing) they would be surprised how many models they would like. If anything, the internet will probably be model's way back to general visibility.

Of course, as we all know, fashion doesn't mold its trends with any pretense of appealing to the general public, so its only logical for an outsider to assume they don't have their best interrests at heart. I'm sure I'd find a couple laughs in a romantic comedy if I gave it the chance, but there's that general prejudice I guess. Of course, I originally assumed since the powers that be were women and gay men that they probably didn't have my interrests at heart, but I found quite a bit when I got into it. Even with just looks, tastes vary widely of course those guy sites are a very small sample of men just like the fashion sites are a small sample of women. However, its generally marketers that seek to reduce groups to the lowest common denominator to increase their marketing strategies.

^Well, this is probably the wrong forum for this discussion anyway. Us men here are a cut-above the knuckle-scraping neanderthals out there - whose ideal partner is still what a 13-year old boy has furtively imagined, via soft-core porn and 'babelists', and crudely drawn on the inside cover of his school books to get off on during monday morning's double-geography period.

But we're out there - there is hope:

"Straight men." Fabulous!

You made me speechles

This is going to sound kind of bad, but there's also a socioeconomic "Class" divide working on here w/ Runway models vs. Glamour models/hollywood celebrities. Runway models look more like upper class people, eat like upper class people, and have upper class tastes & clothes.

I know exactly what you mean. It´s not about where they come from, it´s about how they LOOK. I´ve recently read this book from Freud (not really his book, it was written by a young girl and used by Freud and his students in their psychology lessons) called A Young Girl´s Diary, it´s a real diary of a 11 to 14 year old girl from the upper (and rather high) class in Germany before the first world war. You could clearly sense all this "noble" people, their life, even when reading a diary of such a young girl. Most of these high fashion models just give me this kind of aristocracy feeling, with their bone structure, their style, their tall, skinny bodies I would never call a glamour model "a class"

Joseph watching this may have you sanitizing your eyes when it's done. You've been warned.

Dear Japan,

Again, wtf?

Yours Sincerely,

The rest of the world.

*insert silence of the lambs reference here*

Can someone please tell me wtf is wrong with the Japanese? When we bombed the shit out of them twice did the massive radiation leaking into every orifice result in a genetic code change or something? The older generation is cool as fuck... but the newer gens scare the ever living shit out me every single time they do something.... O.O Poor Pheno lived in Japan... she'll never return... they wigged her out that badly.... nor will she eat sushi ever again cause at this one place she attempted to eat at all they did was cut a nerve in the back of the fishes neck and you were expected to eat the poor fish alive...

That is pretty weird in an overt kind of way, though unfortunately, I can't say their videos are the weirdest I've seen though . For some reason, the younger generation tries very hard to be cool and distinguish themselves from the traits that those on the outside have come to love most about the culture and yet the older generation is far and away cooler so that's a bit of an irony I guess. Like I said though, keep the anime coming I guess and we're cool I guess .

This is going to sound kind of bad, but there's also a socioeconomic "Class" divide working on here w/ Runway models vs. Glamour models/hollywood celebrities. Runway models look more like upper class people, eat like upper class people, and have upper class tastes & clothes.

I know exactly what you mean. It